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Marriage is a religious practice your religion.
You know what else my highly Catholic fam doesn't understand? Transgender. But they still support trans people using the br of their choice (and gay marriage) because and I quote, "It's none of my business. Live and let live." - a 65 yo woman who once got ambushed by a lesbian in a bathroom.
Seriously, if anyone I know should have a fear of gays (I know trans and gay are different, please bear with me) and bathrooms, it's my grandma. But she doesn't care. At all. "There's stalls in the bathroom. No one would ever know."
Nope. Holy matrimony is a religious practice. Marriage involves legal issues (which is why you are not legally married without a license no matter what kind of vows you make) and is therefore a matter of secular law. Civil unions are not the equal of marriage, which is why gays fought so hard for marriage.
I wouldn't mind if "marriage" referred to the wedding ceremony and/or the blessing of the union by the couple's church. Or the relationship which follows said blessed ceremony. However they want to define it. And the actual legal rights were referred to as "civil union" or something similar, so long as they were genuinely equal for all. I suspect that most people would agree with me, if only because it might get some of the fundies to shut up.
That would be a fairly generous concession, considering that fundies mostly align with the far right and the far right is prone to trying to change the meaning of words in order to deny people the ability to talk about issues which don't concern most conservatives. And they occasionally succeed. I suspect they wouldn't see it that way, though.
Marriage is a legal contract. You can have holy matrimony, church-blessing, whatever you want to call it, that means nothing outside church, and we stick with marriage. OK?
What? It's not as fun when others want to define your marriage for you, as it is when you define other people's marriages for them?
It's a legal binding and always has been, it's much older than your stupid religion and no amount of usurping will change this.
Talk about fake news, we really gotta start teaching people in grade school to counter these church lies.
Then there should no longer be any difference between civil unions and marriage (they are currently recognized as different legal concepts in the US).
If you don't want non-hetero unions to get married, then you should either give up the advantages that you get from a marriage over a civil union, or help them get some equivalent to marriage instead. Or, you know, just take the easy solution and allow them to get legally married...
Ironic point: Marriage wasn't a religious practice until the mid-12th century, when the RCC decided to seize control of it. Even then, it didn't require a church and a priest until the 16th century, when the RCC suddenly decided marriage wasn't "official" unless it was performed in a church, by a priest.
BTW, the Greeks had a form of marriage between men, which technically means gay marriage predates Christianity ;)
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