I’m going to be totally honest. I’m pro-life, from the moment of conception, in every scenario.
1. If you’re raped, that’s terrible. However, that baby you’re carrying didn’t rape you and rape does not justify murder. Also, I think pro-choicers understand how few abortions are in rape cases.
2. If you can’t handle even carrying a baby to term and delivering it, DON’T HAVE SEX. IT’S NOT NECESSARY TO YOUR LIFE, I PROMISE.
3. I understand that even if abortion was illegal, woman would still try to have them. I understand that it’s more dangerous that way. Quite frankly, if you ruin your health or get yourself hurt or killed trying to kill your own child, I really have no sympathy for you. I don’t for any other type or murderer who dies in the process.
Like, I know this is harsh, but I am so ridiculously sick of only seeing pro-choice crap on my dash. Abortion ends a life. There can be no denying that.
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"Quite frankly, if you ruin your health or get yourself hurt or killed trying to kill your own child, I really have no sympathy for you. I don’t for any other type or murderer who dies in the process."
Yeah, we can see how "pro-life" you are. Why not just label yourself "pro-fetus?"
Are you just ask eager to help provide support for that mother who can't afford to raise a child? Are you willing to adopt the child if the mother decides to carry it to term but can't raise it?
Strange, it's the middle of winter, but I still hear crickets chirping.
Abortion ends a life. Brushing your teeth ends a few million (billion?) lives. It's not the fact that it's alive that is important here. It's the fact that fetuses are not people, and society has limited means to cultivate people from fetuses.
At the end of the day I would rather see those means turned towards the fetuses whose mother doesn't resent their very existence, or whose mothers freely accept the risks of carrying to term.
"I’m going to be totally honest. I’m pro-life, from the moment of conception, in every scenario. "
Someone else thought the same way, too:
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"Abortion ends a life. There can be no denying that."
One life. Millions more (especially the Six Million). Hmmmmm... that's a toughie! [/mega-sarcasm] [/Hitler's elimination at birth being the 'Killer App' for Time Travel, upon it's invention]
Paradoxes. Can be such cruel bitches when they want to be, eh? In every scenario? You said it, I didn't, you admitted Nazi -lover.
Like, I know this is harsh, but you are a fucking idiot.
Please do the world a favor & stop living as soon as possible.
1. Small numbers don't make something irrelevant.
2. If you can't say something intelligent, DON'T SAY ANYTHING.
3. That's not pro-life, that's just pro-schadenfreude.
"Abortion ends a life. There can be no denying that."
Eating meat does too, will you stop doing that too?
2. If you can’t handle even carrying a baby to term and delivering it, DON’T HAVE SEX. IT’S NOT NECESSARY TO YOUR LIFE, I PROMISE.
But what if she's raped? Last time I checked, no one chose to get raped, no matter what rape apologists say. If someone agrees to being raped, it's technically not rape but just rough sex, since rape by definition is a sex act where one of the sides is not consentual.
Abortion ends a life.
So, a two weeks-old lump of cells is alive? How? If you did a caesarean section and, erm, took that cell lump out of mother, you would very soon see how much alive it is.
Know what I'm sick of? 'Pro-life' screamers who don't give a shit about life, just the unborn. Because what do you have to say about a baby that was just born into poverty? Or the crowded orphanages you freaks keep taking homes away from?
You only care about the unborn babies, not the ones we already have. That's not pro-life, that's being a bitch with your head in the sand.
"Like, I know this is harsh, but I am so ridiculously sick of only seeing pro-choice crap on my dash."
Indeed, you are a ridiculously sick person.
On a side note, I'd like evidence that you are getting pro-choice (and only pro-choice) pamphlets on your dashboard. AFAIK that kind of spamming is very much a speciality of the pro-birth camp.
"Abortion ends a life. There can be no denying that."
And chemotherapy kills millions of cancer cells, and antibiotics kill millions of microbes, your point?
Is your god pro-life?
If so, please explain 1 Samuel 15:3, especially the parts relating to children, infants, and women that might be pregnant.
"If you’re raped, that’s terrible. However, that baby you’re carrying didn’t rape you."
If you're arguing that a fertilized egg is a person, then that person doesn't have the right to invade my body without my consent any more than an adult does.
And having consensual sex with a man does not automatically extend that consent to anyone else.
"and rape does not justify murder."
If I'm being assaulted by someone I didn't consent to, even if they're not consciously aware of it or even if they're doing it to preserve their own life, I'm going to defend myself. Nothing gives them that right to my body.
Especially if I knew they were going to stay for nine months and will disfigure me and cause hours of torturous pain and possibly threaten my life.
All that against my will? It sounds a lot like assault to me.
Guys, if you can't handle providing for a child until it's at least 18 years old, DON’T HAVE SEX. IT’S NOT NECESSARY TO YOUR LIFE, I PROMISE.
It will cost an estimated $241,080 for a middle-income couple to raise a child born last year for 18 years, according to a U.S. Department of Agriculture report released Wednesday. That's up almost 3% from 2011 and doesn't even include the cost of college. http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/14/pf/cost-children/
I’m going to be totally honest. I’m pro-life, from the moment of conception, in every scenario.
So, you believe that it is moral for a person to use your body without your consent? Good...
I need a kidney, you are going to donate it whether you want to or not.
What's that? Your right to Bodily Autonomy trumps my right to life? So you are pro-choice then.
If you can’t handle even carrying a baby to term and delivering it, DON’T HAVE SEX.
There is a small part of me which, I fear, would very much like to see you miscarry.
Another jag-off certain women are good for nothing except being breeding machines and nannies.
Abortions end life, true. Mostly a bundle of living cells, mostly the same way a condom does. But if your so hot on saving human life, why haven't you signed up with the anti-war movement, the ant-capital punishment movement, the environmental movement, the free medical movement...
Or are you one of those "save the fetus, fuck the baby" assholes?
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"[/Hitler's elimination at birth being the 'Killer App' for Time Travel, upon it's invention]"
Sorry, wouldn't work. Fixed point in time. [/The Doctor]
@Da Rat Bastid:
Canonically speaking, Hitler's rise to power is NOT a Fixed Point, although the Third Reich is. Which means that it's entirely possible to go back and kill Hitler, by Time Lord law- but you'd be clearing the field for a different, more competent, Furher, and WWII would have gone rather differently.
Adopt a child, and make serious investment in making sure every child currently living on this earth has a fair oppurtunity to live to successful adulthood and contribute to society.
Unless you do so, you're a hypocrite if you're anti-abortion. Shut the fuck up.
A blastocyst is an innocent human life, and killing it is murder.
Once a child is born, though, it's as depraved and sinful as all other humans, and deserves whatever God decrees for it.
Right.
Regarding commentary about how only the fetus seems to be sacrosanct...I think the conceit is more that this is a form of killing NOT sanctioned by God (i.e. neither execution for a heinous crime nor warfare). The point isn't killing in and of itself, but killing of a form that God didn't give a command for. Who is any mortal to take their own initiative rather than follow God's pre-creation decrees, basically.
So, not so much pro-life as pro-divine-authoritarianism.
If you can’t handle even carrying a baby to term and delivering it, DON’T HAVE SEX.
And there, folks, is the real reason for "pro-life". It's why the same people also oppose birth control, sex education, medical assistance for children and anything else that might let people have sex without "paying" for it. For all their crocodile tears for the fetus, they'd be perfectly happy to see a baby born out of wedlock drop dead the next day just to punish the mother a bit more.
Consider the parasitic twin. Two eggs are fertilized, both eggs begin to grow, however, along the way, one zygote gets attached to the other and does not develop fully. It becomes dependent on the other for survival.
If you are pro-life from the moment of conception, then do you consider it murder for a parasitic twin to be removed from its host? It was an individual conception that survived all the way through the birthing process and will die when it is removed from its host twin.
In the case of Manar Maged, the parasitic twin was able to look around and show signs of emotions, but it was only a head. Once removed, the head died.
If you claim it is not murder to remove a parasitic twin from its host, you cannot claim that life begins with conception, since it was a separately conceived egg.
Okay, so a fetus is a human being. It has the same rights as you or I.
So I can abort. Because you aren't allowed to sneak into my house at night and draw my blood. You aren't allowed to do it even though I am not actually gonna be that harmed by losing a pint. You aren't allowed to do it even to save your child. You aren't allowed to do it even if I am the reason your child needs blood in the first place.
It's still assault. And if I killed you to keep you from stabbing me with a needle, even if I KNEW you were just drawing blood and the needle was sterile and you needed my blood to save your child's life-- even then, if I had to kill you to stop you, it would be self defense. Justifiable. If that was the minimum force required to prevent you from stabbing me with a needle and stealing a pint of my blood, I wouldn't see the inside of a jail cell.
Therefore the law is very clear. I am allowed to abort REGARDLESS of whether I am aborting a human being, a person, or not. Either I'm aborting because it's a clump of cells that is a part of me and I don't want it there, or I'm aborting because I didn't want to donate my tissues and fluids to another being and that being is taking them by force, and the minimum force required to stop them would end the being's life.
So really it doesn't matter one bit if that zygote is a person. The outcome-- legal safe abortions for all-- would be the same.
1) Before the development of cognitive functions a fetus is no more a person than your own thumb. Sperm are not people. Unfertilized eggs are not people. Clumps of undifferentiated cells are not people.
2) Considering you mentioned rape first I find it baffling you insist that sex and the resulting pregnancy is always a choice. While being a virgin certainly won't kill you having an irrational fear of physical intimacy and neglecting your sex drive entirely is actually more psychologically damaging than most people realize and really this would be far less of a problem if proper sex education weren't being demonized. You assholes even give masturbation a bad name.
3) Listen closely, dumbass: there are women who die every day because they could not get an abortion. There was a case in Ireland that made international news not so long ago and it was far from unique. Fatal complication in a pregnancy are more common than you want to believe.
" Quite frankly, if you ruin your health or get yourself hurt or killed trying to kill your own child, I really have no sympathy for you."
"Pro-life," ladies and gentlemen.
"Pro-lifers" are such sweethearts. Loving murder, pain, and death. Apparently they have no issue with the anti-abortion movement resulting in the women's clinic bombings and shootings.
Obviously they don't really give a shit about a fetus, either, because they rather women get unsafe abortions which could likely result in her dying, being injured, or rendered sterile. An embryo/fetus isn't going to survive or if the abortion fails and it is carried to term a baby could be born with problems because of this. And then how is this unwanted child going to fair in the world? And how will a woman cope with an unwanted pregnancy and a child? No, this inhuman douche just wants to punish women for having sex-- whether consensual or not-- and daring to not want to have a child.
Abortion ends a pregnancy. Is an embryo/fetus made of living cells? Sure. But it's not a human life if it is not born. I don't really care if someone weeps for the nonexistent babies that never are, but it's really not anyone's business to dictate how many, if any, babies a woman pops out. And if you choose genetic material-- blastocysts, embryos, etc.-- over the welfare and lives of ACTUAL people, aka human beings, you have a huge fucking problem.
An embryo, at the stage when most abortions are made, has about the sentience and independent life of a cancer tumor. Don't cancer tumors have right-to-life, too?
If YOU don't like abortions, don't have one. Other women's bodies are their own business.
Are you prepared to raise the kids of rapists? Would you want to look at your rapist's child for the rest of your life?
Are you against abortions even if the woman will die without one? You do know that the fetus will die too, if the woman dies, right?
God is the greatest abortionist, asshole! About fifty percent of those "from the moment of conception" blobs are flushed out in spontaneous abortions (aka miscarriages).
Are you also pro-life when it comes to war, death penalties, safety regulations for work-places, available and affordable healthcare for everyone (especially all those seriously disabled children you want to bring into the world), etc?
An embryo isn't a baby, it's an embryo. Rape isn't having sex.
And until you and the rest of your Pro Birth fuckheads get in line to adopt all those unwanted pregnancies, go away.
DON’T HAVE SEX. IT’S NOT NECESSARY TO YOUR LIFE, I PROMISE.
Obviously spoken from the OP's personal experience.
"if you ruin your health or get yourself hurt or killed trying to kill your own child, I really have no sympathy for you"
Yes I can see how pro your prolifeness is.
DON’T HAVE SEX. IT’S NOT NECESSARY TO YOUR LIFE
Maybe not necessary to your life.
And we really come down to what the whole abortion issue is really about: trying to control people's sex lives.
...but I bet you're not anti -2nd Amendment, though.
Can you say 'Sandy Hook'? I know you can. Oh, save the unborn child!' whilst in the womb, but outside such, it's all bets off, eh?
I wonder what your thoughts are about the ban on guns here in the UK, post-Dunblane atrocity? Oh, and as for 'The right to keep and bear arms', what about your occupying forces' government's seizure of all Katanas (seen as symbols of nationalism), and all those symbols of officership, Nambu automatics from the Japanese , post-War in the Pacific...? Gun control laws in Japan are far more draconian than the UK's. No school shootings in Japan. Question: Why ...?
Hypocrisy, thy name is fundie indeed.
I deny that abortion ends a life. it reminates a pregnancy and destroys a zygote, embryo, or fetus, but that ins't teh same thing at all.
in the word of saint George Carlin:
"[these conservatives] are not pro-life, you know what they are? They're anti-women! They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state."
I have no sympathy for assholes that lack empathy.
Were you to accidentally catch fire, I would show you as much by not wasting my own piss to put it out
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