aohkii : also like totally not excited for the oncoming “boys can wear makeup and not be gay” garbage just as we had to experience “girls can have shaved heads and wear flannel and not be lesbians” like who gives a fuck if someone assumes you’re gay like its the worst fucking offense in history lmao
shamelesslyunladylike: Also, people look gay on purpose so other gay people can find them. Straight girls were jealous of our practical, comfortable AND sexy style, so they stole it, called it “boyfriend” and now they get super pissy because some unaware girl lesbian-nodded at them.
If you choose to dress in stuff traditionally associated with gay people and a gay person mistakes you for one of us, that’s on you, and you don’t get to feel offended. You are the fucker who’s jamming our gaydar on purpose. Suck it up.
rhodonitefusion: @the ppl complaining abt “wear what you want it’s just clothes!!!”:
Shut the fuck up
queer/gay ppl are allowed to have culture. We’re allowed to have our own styles. straight people taking away our culture, our styles, our history is not some fucking joke. I don’t care if it’s “just” hairstyles or clothes or what the hell ever, we’re allowed to have it just like everybody else. We’re a community, so yeah we’re gonna have our own styles, our own indicators of who’s one of us. fuck y'all saying “it’s just clothes” and fuck str8 people for taking every thing they can get their grubby fingers on so they don’t have to deal with queer people actually having something
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Gay people are born to, and usually raised by, straight people, and so for most gay people, their culture is whatever "straight" culture is supposed to be.
Obviously they never experienced the 80s hair bands...
...and yes (speaking as a woman), they were sexy as hell.
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Cultural appropriation's always a tricky issue, and best left up to members of the appropriated culture to explain what is and isn't okay.
That being said, as a gay guy, I've never felt part of an 'LGBT+ culture'. I understand one exists, but being into dudes, for me at least, was as mundane a part of me as my eye colour, or my interest in video games, or my favourite flavour of ice cream.
But to buy into the idea for a moment, for the past few decades - as tolerance of us has grown - we've become known as quote unquote 'trendsetters'. Innovators, progressives, people outside the norm. Unhappy with someone taking your style? Get a new one and make that cool.
Or just do what I do and buy for practicality, comfort, and cost. Who gives a fuck about 'style'?
@Happy Atheist: absolutely right. Wear what's comfortable, utilitarian, and safe for your occupation. If you need to send out signals to prospective partners, go for it. But in general "style" is not an appropriate concern for adults. Leave it to self-obsessed insecure teenagers. If you're in an occupation that requires a dress code you can either (1) suck it up (especially if you're in a "meet the public" type of position), or (2) fight it, and tell management that it's inappropriate, obtrusive, and embarrassing for them to tell other adults how to dress.
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And once again the Steven Universe fandom proves itself to be absolute garbage.
Why is it that the best shows always attract the worst fanbases?
rhodonitefusion took it too far but the other two are quite understandable. Am I missing the fundy? If you don't care about being mistaken as gay, understand that someone might mistake you for being gay based on the clothes you wear and don't get offended, right? I'm lost
we’re allowed to have it just like everybody else
Japanese people eating cheeseburgers, Americans doing yoga, and don't even get started on what happened to a certain Jewish sect.
You have as much right to not be imitated as everybody else. None.
Yes. You're allowed to have those clothes, hairstyles and so forth. And so is everyone else.
@Shinashi:
They're claiming exclusive ownership of clothing and hair styles in the same way fundie christians claim exclusive ownership of marriage and similarly decrying anyone other than themselves partaking as a form of oppression.
I mean, if I walk around with a shirt that says "I'm Gay" on it, it's probably not because I like the Bowling For Soup song. If I dress flamboyantly, people might think I'm gay, just like if I dress in leather jackets all the time, people might think I'm a biker or Neil Gaiman (not that anyone would think I'm a biker). That's a hazard of my sartorial choices that I should be aware of, and I shouldn't get pissy because it happens.
But there's no need to turn this into some big tribal us vs. them fight. (There very rarely is, in general, but this is an especially petty case.) It's the nature of culture and fashion to spread, to change, and to split and combine. The only way to have a "gay culture" that isn't influenced at all by "straight culture" (or vice versa) would be to socially (if not literally) wall people off from each other, dividing everyone into camps where no one not of the "in group" is allowed. Otherwise... you might as well try to hold back the tide with your bare hands.
It is just clothes, people. Just because you want to be stereotypical, and want everyone else to conform to your stereotypes...
So you can't tell if someone has a compatible orientation because of their clothes and hair? Join the fucking club! Welcome to Humanity.
When I was in high school in 90s I did the goth style make up. If people want to do it now, I say go for it. It was fun back then and if they want to have fun let them. I remember others did same. I knew some who dressed as opposite sex, again for fun. There was nothing wrong with that. If homosexuals want to, go for it. Do your thing. Have fun with it.
Out of all this, I agree with one sentence from shamelesslyunladylike: Straight women who adopt a lesbian-like look really shouldn't be offended when another woman assumes that they're gay.
For that matter, nobody should be offended or pissy about someone else mistaking their orientation: Being heterosexual isn't somehow better than being gay, and the assumption itself is not offensive unless it's accompanied by rude or unwanted behavior.
I'm a mostly heterosexual man, but I really couldn't care less if someone assumed I was gay (especially given that I look like a bear sometimes)
Cultural appropriation is a bs concern, and I say this as a gay man. All culture is appropriation. Study history. Everything was borrowed from somewhere else. If people are borrowing from your culture you should feel flattered. Personally I'm glad that straight people are trying out traditionally gay styles. Let's get rid of this crazy notion that who a person has sex with should dictate their style. Personally I rather save money and feel comfortable than try to be a fashionista.
If you hit on someone and they're not interested whether it's because of their sexual orientation or you're just not their type then just move on. There's plenty of fish in the sea.
Besides we have the internet now. If you want to know if someone is gay before hitting on them look them up on Facebook and see what the "Interested In" section says.
There are real concerns, important concerns, such as climate change, health care, and economic inequality. The left should focus on those issues. People whining about things like cultural appropriation and microaggressions are damaging our credibility, and encouraging a right-wing backlash. As irrational as it is to vote Republican as a backlash to these comparatively minor issues when there are bigger things to worry about, plenty of people do that. Notice how many people voted for Trump and said it was because he's "not politically correct". It's possible that Hillary Clinton would be president right now if it wasn't for SJWs.
If you're going to be an activist, whether online or in real life think strategically about how you are framing issues and about how to prioritize between what actually matters in the long run and what doesn't, don't just lash out emotionally about what ever is bothering you.
Practical leftists like myself need to be more vocal in our disavowal of SJWs. SJWs are damaging our credibility and preventing us from making progress on the truly important issues.
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