[A commenter describes how their mother suffered a painful fight with terminal bladder cancer and wanted to die to end her pain.]
So then you do not believe in miracles? What if your mom could have gotten better, even in the most unlikely circumstances. God can do anything, and doctor-assisted suicide is giving up. If your family member does end up dying in the end, such as your mother, at least you would know that you and the doctors did everything you could to keep them alive, and preserved the sanctity of life.
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God can do anything, yet he consistently does nothing. Why is that, Christina?
Better to die peacefully and in command of one's faculties than driven out of one's mind by pain.
All I hear is, "Pain is good! OH the suffering is So sweet! MOAR! Forget about dignity and comfort, SUFFER FOR GAWD!"
And they call non-Christians and believers sick, twisted people.
Miracles are the last thing one would ever expect. Glurge for God? Christina just exploited the commenter's mom for the sake of advocating her religion and a miracle with a slim chance of happening.
I can understand the argument against euthanasia, and the notion of life as God-given, but to EXPECT a miracle is fucking ridiculous, and that's putting it bluntly.
As someone who recently had a family member die in pain after being persuaded into useless rounds of treatment by an argument much like yours, delivered by people too cowardly to let go, I just have to say GO FUCK YOURSELF.
I would rather die at home in peace in three months than in a hospital delirious with pain in 5. Miracles are just as fake as your god.
Sanctity of life = dying in intractable pain and without dignity.
I have never seen a terminal illness miraculously cured; why is that? In two cases they were very staunch Christians who believed God could heal them, but he didn't.
I don't necessarily see anything wrong with trying to preserve life, but if someone makes it clear they would rather die than live in pain, those wishes should be respected. I know that I were ever in a vegetative state with no control over my physical faculties or if I suffered severe brain damage, I'd rather die than live a depleted existence.
Listen, I realize you think you're being noble by calling for the fighting of the good fight. But if your gawd cared to relieve the person of their suffering he would have done it.
Terminal means that there is no medical means of doing anything but making them more comfortable until the inevitable happens. I say inevitable because they make the decision based on evidence, which indicates that many serious diseases do not just clear up and go away suddenly.
If a god were to suddenly choose to reveal themselves unequivocally through a miracle, I would imagine that a great many people would be angry and quite rightfully want an explanation as to why their loved ones had to suffer, linger and die when that one could be saved. Even the one saved might ask why it was not sooner. I know I'd demand explanations for why my grandmother and mother had to die such long painful deaths.
If there are any gods out there they have had thier chances, and I'm sorry about being more bitter than usual, but we're coming up awful quick on the aniversary of my mother's death and this insensitive bitch is trivializing the suffering of very real people.
Miracles by definition would be the very antithesis of something one should expect to happen. Making someone else suffer to try to prove your point is cowardly, especially when you know by definition it almost certainly won't happen.
Only children and the deluded believe in miracles, sorry. And one of those bogus everyday miracles like a sunrise doesn't count.
There is nothing very dignified about dying, especially a long, painful death. If you want to aid a dying person the least one can do is keep them from being in pain and misery. Only a callous person would say suffering is the better option due to their own selfishness and feeble minded beliefs.
"God can do anything"
Then he could stop the pain, cure the disease, and/or stop the suicide.
Yet it has been consistently shown that none of these happen. The only time anyone is cured of a disease is when modern medicine is applied in time, and happens to be sufficient.
You're just being nasty for the sake of it now, as dictated by your religiosity. If there was a way that an invisible nothing that does not exist, save in the stupefied thing you refer to as your er...mind, was able to relieve your mother's pain, then I'm sure we'd all welcome its intervention.
What you are so monstrously inferring is that your odd belief in a nonexistent thing means more to you than human suffering, in this case your mother's suffering.
Proof positive that a religious mindset is tantamount to mental illness and is deadly when considering the well being of humanity.
So then you do not believe in miracles?
In a word, no. God doesn't do shit. You're worshiping "God the Useless".
If your god can do anything, why doesn't he ever, ever , EVER give us any proof of his existence?
Asking people to die in pain is too high a price for "the sanctity of life".
Death scares the shit out of me. In that situation, even with the most minute chance of a recovery, even spending the rest of my life hopped up on painkillers which only serve to dull it, might be something I find preferable. I've never faced that kind of physical pain, so I can't say for sure, mind you, but I think that's the path I'd take.
But that's my choice to make, not some religious busybody's. And if someone chooses the opposite, I can't blame them, either.
So easy to say when you're not the one lying there in agony, or having to watch a friend or relative suffer and knowing there's not a damn thing you can do to take their pain away.
When my friend's husband chose to take her off life support, it was one of the worst days of all our lives, but we all wholeheartedly agreed with the decision. Even the most devout members of their church supported him on it. To this day I am so grateful there were no cunts like you around to turn it into a big ugly fight, she was allowed a quiet peaceful release from her pain and her family and friends were allowed to grieve and heal in peace. Isn't that what everyone deserves?
I know doctor assisted suicide is a whole different matter from simply "pulling the plug", but I'm sure the pain and grieving aren't.
The sanctity of life isn't worth that much, when every single breath means a stabbing pain.
No, we don't believe in miracles, as no genuine miracle has ever been documented. They all seem to happen to superstitious people in remote places.
doctor-assisted suicide is giving up.
What part of "terminal illness" don't you understand?
It's not about preserving life, it's about preserving quality of life.
So...she should live in agony, begging for death as she slowly wastes away, because God might...MIGHT perform a miracle, right before our very eyes.
And minute now.
Aaaaaaany minute.
Yep, the logic's airtight.
To me, the nature of my death is a really big deal. I know that dead is dead and your body will become one with the Earth and all that but I still wish to die in a dignified manner! No pain, no long and drawn out process, just one bullet and you can skip all that needless suffering. That's how it will be many decades from now if I were to ever get diagnosed with something terminal.
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