Anon #fundie

Anon #fundie defendchristians.org

America is religiously and morally schizophrenic. Built on a foundation of Christian law it has been hijacked by secular relativists. Secularism is NO less a religion than any other faith, yet it is arguably the most subjective of them all. The only answer for the United States judicial system is to return to our tried-and-true Christian heritage.

Some people argue this would mean having a “church dominated state." This is not in accordance with our history or the facts. While there is a legitimate way to speak of the separate spheres or jurisdictions of church and state, both are subject to God and his standards of justice. All spheres of jurisdiction are responsible to God; the individual, the family, the church and the civil government. Because God is the only legitimate source of justice, you cannot separate God from government.

Currently we are under the arbitrary god of humanistic secularism that makes an idol of the machinations of man. May the "laws of nature and nature's God", revealed in scripture, be our moral compass, not the clever deductions of black-robed tyrants.

This landmark ruling regarding Hobby Lobby will answer the question, "is there room in America anymore for Christian based business?"

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old comment by Canadiest

"Built on a foundation of Christian law"
"Secularism is NO less a religion than any other faith",
"return to our tried-and-true Christian heritage."
"this would mean having a “church dominated state." This is not in accordance with our history or the facts."

In the process of seperating these lies out I realized most the remainder was also bullshit and I was really just condensing it into bullet points.

So just these points:
"black-robed tyrants" A phrased coined long ago and refering to the clergy, not the law or goverment, CLERGY.

And that Hobby Lobby shit: Do you really think that when they win their exemption from birth control on Health Plans paid for by the workers that they won't meddle in other aspects of their employees lives? Give them an inch of higher moral authority and they will go for more, the only thing that created a benign soft-sell kind Christianity was stopping what they were, black-robed tyrants indeed.

old comment by Hasan Prishtina

America is religiously and morally schizophrenic. Built on a foundation of Christian law it has been hijacked by secular relativists. Secularism is NO less a religion than any other faith, yet it is arguably the most subjective of them all. The only answer for the United States judicial system is to return to our tried-and-true Christian heritage.

No, that's the Colonies you're thinking of. The United States, by contrast, is built on thoroughgoing separation of church and state, as befits a country set up by deists, Freemasons, and members of various different denominations.

Because God is the only legitimate source of justice, you cannot separate God from government.

I'd like to see you argue that in court.

This landmark ruling regarding Hobby Lobby will answer the question, "is there room in America anymore for Christian based business?"

No. It's "Is there any room for a business that doesn't require its employees to hold its employers' beliefs to force those beliefs on those employees through the remuneration it gives those employees?" I once worked for a Mormon; if Hobby Lobby goes the way Anon wants, she could have stopped me from using what she paid me to buy a cup of coffee.

old comment by Goomy pls

@Canadia

It's not unrightfully glorified, though--to think that a particularly skilled "Fuck you" letter is commonly believed by many Americans to be their founding document is actually quite telling.

Probably one of the best "Fuck you" letters of all time--it not only says "Fuck you" specifically to King George the Turd but also to all other tyrants *cough*Dubyah*cough*. It basically goes like "You know, sometimes, when a king gets too douchey toward his subjects they are right in trying to act against him. Here we've got a king who has been an utter, consummate douche to us, stealing from us, oppressing us, and doing all manner of horrible shit to us that the British never had to be subjected to. He's forgotten that ALL us are essentially equal and have rights. It is obvious from King George the Turd's actions that he is a prime example of an overly douchey king. On behalf of the 'muricans I'd like to say one closing comment: fuck you--we're done with you." Except in 18th century-era flowery yet prosaic language.

old comment by Juicifur

Historians in the 20th century have suggested the Iroquois system of government influenced the development of the Articles of Confederation or United States Constitution. Consensus has not been reached on how influential the Iroquois model was to the development of the United States' documents.[61] The influence thesis has been discussed by historians such as Donald Grinde[62] and Bruce Johansen.[63] In 1988, the United States Congress passed a resolution to recognize the influence of the Iroquois League upon the Constitution and Bill of Rights.[64] In 1987, Cornell University held a conference on the link between the Iroquois' government and the U.S. Constitution.[65]

Scholars such as Jack N. Rakove and Elizabeth Tooker challenge the thesis. Stanford University historian Rakove writes, "The voluminous records we have for the constitutional debates of the late 1780s contain no significant references to the Iroquois" and notes that there are ample European precedents to the democratic institutions of the United States.[66] Historian Francis Jennings noted that supporters of the thesis frequently cite the following statement by Benjamin Franklin: "It would be a very strange thing, if six Nations of ignorant savages should be capable of forming a Scheme for such a Union and yet that a like union should be impracticable for ten or a Dozen English Colonies," but he disagrees that it establishes influence. Rather, he thinks Franklin was promoting union against the "ignorant savages" and called the idea "absurd".[67]

The anthropologist Dean Snow stated that though Franklin's Albany Plan may have drawn inspiration from the Iroquois League, there is little evidence that either the Plan or the Constitution drew substantially from this source. He argues that "...such claims muddle and denigrate the subtle and remarkable features of Iroquois government. The two forms of government are distinctive and individually remarkable in conception."[68]

Tooker, a Temple University professor of anthropology and an authority on the culture and history of the Northern Iroquois, believes the "influence" thesis is myth rather than fact. She does not think that the Iroquois League was a democratic culture; such a conclusion is not supported within historical literature. The relationship between the Iroquois League and the Constitution is based on a portion of a letter written by Benjamin Franklin and a speech by the Iroquois chief Canasatego in 1744. Tooker concluded that the documents cited indicate that groups of Iroquois and white settlers realized the advantages of a confederation, but she thinks there is little evidence to support the idea that 18th century colonists were knowledgeable regarding the Iroquois system of governance.[69]

Historic evidence suggests that chiefs of different tribes were permitted representation in the Iroquois League council, and the leadership positions were hereditary. The council did not practice representative government and had no elections. Deceased chiefs’s successors were selected by the most senior woman within the hereditary lineage in consultation with other women in the clan. Decision making occurred through lengthy discussion and decisions were unanimous, with topics discussed being introduced by a single tribe.[69]

Tooker concludes, "...there is virtually no evidence that the framers borrowed from the Iroquois." She thinks the myth resulted from a claim made by the Iroquois linguist and ethnographer J.N.B. Hewitt, which was exaggerated and misunderstood after his death in 1937

I know the Natives have suffered from disease and persecution but that doesn't mean we should attribute things to them that they didn't do.