For us in the Muslim world female circumcision is, above all else, obedience to Islam, which means acting in accordance with the fitrah and following the Sunnah which encourages it. We all know the dimensions of Islam, and that everything in it must be good in all aspects, including health aspects. If the benefits are not apparent now, they will become known in the future, as has happened with regard to male circumcision – the world now knows its benefits and it has become widespread among all nations despite the opposition of some groups.
Then she mentioned some of the health benefits of female circumcision and said:
1) It takes away excessive libido from women
2) It prevents unpleasant odours which result from foul secretions beneath the prepuce.
3) It reduces the incidence of urinary tract infections.
4) It reduces the incidence of infections of the reproductive system.
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1) None of that is actually true. It's only effect is making sex agonizingly painful with no enjoyment.
2) Women are forced to submit to that procedure on the ridiculous assumption that they are the embodiment of lust and men won't rape them if the women aren't actively "tempting" them.
3) Women are still expected to submit to sex on demand from their husbands, even though as mentioned before this bullshit operation makes sex agonizing. Note also, the husband can freely want sex but for the wife that's a sin.
Male circumsicion rarely has a point. For women it's nothing but pain and misery.
No. This practice originated a millenium and a half before Islam, is virtually unknown in the Muslim world outside the Nile valley and the Horn of Africa, except for destroying libido is counterproductive in every area you mentioned, and is condemned by both Muslim scholars and physicians outside the areas where it has been customary.
The vast majority of the world is turning away from male circumcision (I wish U.S. culture would catch up).
Interesting to note that 2 of the four points have nothing to do with health. The first one has to do with controlling women (reduced libido) and male pleasure (unpleasant odours). Mutilating a woman isn't about health, it's about male control and pleasure.
For us in the Muslim world female circumcision is, above all else, obedience to Islam,
OK Sitt, I'll bite. Which sura of the Qur’an says women need to be circumcised?
female circumcision is, above all else, obedience to Islam
Then that's one more reason that women (or men) shouldn't practice Islam. Brutally mutilating the genitals of young women (especially without anesthesia) is just horrible and wrong, regardless of whether it's done in the name of a religion.
And if Quran told you to snip off the tip of your dick, you would be perfectly OK with that as well?
or would that be one of those occasions when God/Allah was suddenly speaking methaphorically and didn't mean anyone to take him literally??
Female genital mutilation, as I prefer to call it, is nothing more than than an unhealthy, disgusting holdover from the bronze age. What's next, a defence of removing the hands of thieves?
The supposed prevention of infections is pure crap, as is your feigned concern about it. Particularly when you factor in the number of girls who die from infection from the procedure itself, as if having some old bitch from the village hold a girl down and slice off her genitals with whatever filthy blade is lying around and then sew her shut is a preventive measure against infection.
Then there's the fact that some women (it all depends on how extreme the FGM is) are left with so little remaining tissue that what's left to sew back together doesn't even leave a large enough opening for the woman to properly release menstrual fluid, leading not only to internal infections and all manner of gynecological havoc, but to her being more or less ripped and torn open every time she has sex and gives birth.
The only "benefit" is to the man, who gets to tear his way in or cut open his prize with a knife on his wedding night, like he has his own personal freshness seal. He's assured that no other man has been there before, and that sex will be so miseable and painful for his female posession that he won't have to worry about what she's up to when he's not watching.
I wish there was an Islamic counterpart to India's "Pink Saris"....a horde of women brutally putting this maggot in his place would be PURE WIN!
If a misogynist can't be a man then he must be brutally put in his proper place....beaten in submission at the feet of the powerful superior woman & enlightened real men!
Ladies! Don your pink hijabs and show him who is the REAL MASTER! ALLAT AKBAR!
The ladies will "snap" and when they do, little pansy-boy-Khaalid, NO MERCY!!!
1 is true only because as #575451 said it makes sex agonizing. 2, 3 and 4 the exact opposite is true. Women frequently DIE from infections.
It is a shame Sitt al-Banaat Khaalid will never have his knob chopped off and a stick permanently sewn in the bloody hole. Then have a cannonball shoved up his arse in order that he may share the experience of circumcised women who are forced to give birth.
To be fair:
"Type IV
A variety of other procedures are collectively known as Type IV, which the WHO defines as "all other harmful procedures to the female genitalia for non-medical purposes, for example, pricking, piercing, incising, scraping and cauterization." This ranges from ritual nicking of the clitoris the main practice in Indonesia to stretching the labia or clitoris, burning or scarring the genitals, or introducing harmful substances into the vagina to tighten it.[16]"
That is from the Wikpedia article about female circumcision. That sounds about equal to make circumcision IMO. I can tell that's not what he's talking about though... I would call him a barbarian, but calling him a barbarian would be an insult to the noble barbarians such as my ancestors.
Chapter and verse (or rather sura) in the Quran where it speaks about female circumcision, please. Christians in the regions where FMG is common also mutilate their daughters' bodies.
Men can pull back the foreskin and wash under it. No need for a knife if you have ready access to water and soap. Also, a comparable circumcision on male would be to cut off the penis head, split the shaft in two and sow them to the stomach.
1. What is excessive libido and who decides that? How come women in the rest of them world seldom complain about this?
2. If you trap everything in, I'd guess the unpleasant odors are increased, not prevented. I've been a woman now for 44 years and four days, I have never suffered from any "unpleasant odours which result from foul secretions beneath the prepuce".
3 and 4. No, once again, trapping everything in and making it harder to wash will increase infections and odors.
I see no health benefits with female genital mutilation (let's call it by it's real name, shall we?), and only one social benefit; it makes it easier for males to control females; if sex is excruciatingly painful with your spouse, you're not likely to sleep around. Older females keep this tradition up, because they think their daughters won't be married otherwise.
If God is not pleased with the workings and appearance of the female genitalia, why the HELL he created them like that?
1) "Excessive libido" is BS. If anyone has "excessive libido," it's men in theocratic & repressive cultures. That's why man-on-woman rape is still disturbingly common (even rape of women hidden by burqhas) in the strictest religious countries like Iran & Uganda.
2) Outright lie.
3) Outright lie.
4) Outright lie.
"Then SHE mentioned some of the health benefits of female circumcision and said"-
Is this OP a woman? Because that is just too wretched to comprehend.
Regardless of the gender of the OP, I hope they are crushed to death in an avalanche of tampons.
#1575698: The description makes me suspect Type I or Type II (incidentally Type Ia is the exact analogue of male circumcision, although riskier because the smaller size of the parts involved makes it easier to screw up - sadly, most FGM is not Ia (not that Ia is alright either, but it's in a whole different class from Ib, let alone II or III)).
Circumcision is prescribed only for the boys in your holy book, and even if female circumcision was prescribed, it would -and should- be unlawful for it mutilate the victim, rendering sexual intercourse painful.
As for you:
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if there is no benefit to it now why do it?
1.how the hell is reduced libido a health benefit?
2. you know washing yourself is equally useful in reducing "unpleasant odors", which is not a health benefit anyway.
3. cleaning yourself properly reduces urinary tract infections and you aren't hurting someone in the process.
4. cleaning yourself properly reduces infections, so fuck you.
there is no evidence that circumcision is a useful practice whether it be male or female.
there is also no evidence that not doing it is useful.
the whole debate other than as an abusive practice is a waste of time.
it's abuse clear and simple.
To be fair:
"Type IV
A variety of other procedures are collectively known as Type IV, which the WHO defines as "all other harmful procedures to the female genitalia for non-medical purposes, for example, pricking, piercing, incising, scraping and cauterization." This ranges from ritual nicking of the clitoris the main practice in Indonesia to stretching the labia or clitoris, burning or scarring the genitals, or introducing harmful substances into the vagina to tighten it.[16]"
That is from the Wikpedia article about female circumcision. That sounds about equal to make circumcision IMO. I can tell that's not what he's talking about though... I would call him a barbarian, but calling him a barbarian would be an insult to the noble barbarians such as my ancestors.
A WOMAN GYNECOLOGIST said this?
You'd think that a woman who's educated in gynecology would know better!
WOMAN! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?!!!
She KNOWS she's spouting garbage! She's just an evil psychopathic self-hating monster!
Unforgivable. Not even slightly prescribed in Islam. An absolutely barbaric and monstrous practice that should be punished with violent, screaming death. You, OP, are inhuman.
If an adult woman wants this done to her body, that's her right, just as an adult man can choose to have a male circumcision. You should never, ever force any kind of circumcision on a child, though.
As more men rape women, than the other way around, it seems like it's men who have "excessive libido", not women.
How can a person make a statement 100% wrong?. First, not only circumcision is not mentioned in the Koran, NOT EVEN IN THE SUNNA. Indeed, the only corroboration is an obscure urban legend turned hadith that no islamic scholar can trace. Second, not only it doesn't destroy libido, it provokes those infections you mention that, how funny, no women with an intact clitoris has. Indeed, with statistics provided by the countries where it's practiced. Let's be honest, do you think that nature is going to make a kind of departamental reunion to make you look right?. No wonder why 90% of the muslim world doesn't practice it and it's only practiced in Africa.
@#1577098: And even the disputed hadith in question clearly condemns the extreme forms of the practice that many muslims insist are Islamic - "Do not cut too severely, as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband" might or might not be compatible with some forms of Type II, but it's sure as hell not compatible with Type III (infibulation/Pharonic circumcision)!
It prevents unpleasant odours
One of the reasons why we men bathe/shower every day: the Scrotum .
This summer we had in Britain this year - which equalled the Great Heatwave of 1976 - many's the day I had to shower twice and change my underwear due to Betty Swallocks . [/Speverend Rooner , the dear old queen who shoves leopards ]
Here's some shears, S(h)itt. You know what to do.
2, 3, and 4 can be prevented with better hygiene. But for number 1 alone, you should be confined to the lower circle of hell.
How can something SOMEONE ELSE does to you be obedience to Islam? If an adult woman wants this done, she has the right to mutilate her own body. If you mutilate a child against his or her wishes, it's not obedience, it's slavery.
In Sweden, male circumcision is rare, and only done by Jews and Muslims, and on men with very tight foreskins.
We have little or no opposition, we just think that "if it's not damaged, don't try to repair it".
1. Excessive libido? You mean not being able to take no for an answer? Touching unsuspecting people in a sexual way? Harassing people sexually? Whistling or catcalling after people in the street? Oh, wait; it's mostly men that are found guilty of those things. We'd better cut off their "little guys", then.
2. How can cutting off and closing up prevent unpleasant odors?
3. How can cutting off and closing up reduce urinary tract infections?
4. How can cutting off and closing up reduce infections of the reproductive system?
Your god must be very embarrassed that he made such a grave error while creating the human body. It's a good thing you humans know better than he does, and can (supposedly) correct his big boo-boo.
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