Before civilizations crumble, the last thing to hit the fan is government-sponsored, government-forced, homosexuality, sodomy, and pedophilia. Homosexuality is a psychiatric disorder and probably the worst sin described in the Holy Bible due to the permanent damage caused to what was or is or might have been a temple of the Spirit. The consequences are said to be nothing short of eternal damnation, by choice. It's a shame that the US military, historically known to be a beacon of morality and religious tolerance and freedom, while the civilian sector has engaged in immorality, is now having its nose shoved in the dirt of filth to make the Sinners-in-Chief in the highest echelons of politics--the perverts, the pedophiles, and the psychiatrically ill--feel better about themselves.
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Homosexuality is a psychiatric disorder...
Psychiatrists would like to have a word with you.
...and probably the worst sin described in the Holy Bible...
[citation needed] Also, I think there's something in the Bible about all sins being equally bad in God's eyes.
The consequences are said to be nothing short of eternal damnation, by choice.
Isn't that the result of any and ALL sins if you do not repent?
Apparently Jim's never read the Bible himself, despie his claim to Chaplaincy.
Otherwise he might have noticed that gay sex doesn't get a look-in with the ten commandments, and Jesus never said a word against it. Leviticus likened it to shaving, and St Paul compared it to gossiping.
And despite the alleged attempted gay rape of angels, Ezekiel doesn't give that a mention in his list of the sins of Sodom. It's not the Bible that thinks homosexuality is "the worst sin" but merely Jim's closeted self-loathing. That's what lets him claim the government is forcing him to be a homosexual sodomite pedophile, and deny his personal responsibility.
Government forced homosexuality and pedophilia. Bull shit. I will ignore the rest of the carp this fundie said and just focus on this. Giving homosexuals the same rights you have is not the same as forcing it on you. No one is forcing it on you.
Oh and pedophilia will never be legal.
If homosexuality is so heinous, why isn't it in the Ten Commandments or the Seven Deadly Sins? Instead it's jumbled together with sins like picking sticks on the Sabbath, cutting your hair and beard, wearing clothes of mixed fibers, cooking the calf in its mother’s milk, eating impure animals like pigs, etc.
In what forums have the US military been known to be a "beacon of morality and religious tolerance and freedom"?
Homosexuality is just a natural variety on the sexual orientation spectrum. It causes the same kinds of harm that heterosexuality does. It's about as "perverted" as red hair is, and homosexuals ought to feel just as good about themselves as heterosexuals do.
Most pedophiles and psychiatrically ill are heterosexuals.
Having same sex attraction is not a psychiatric disorder. So, fail. Really, having a meaningful relationship with someone of the same sex is worse than, say, murdering someone? Or any number of actually bad things... Pretty sure the bible does not say, "Though shall not homo." Also pretty sure the government hasn't enacted any laws that make people have gay sex.
And when did pedophilia become socially acceptable, exactly? It's only excused in religious circles, afaik.
"Apparently Jim's never read the Bible himself, despie his claim to Chaplaincy."
Yet another piece of evidence showing that fundie theology, by a WIDE margin, consists mostly of the fundies projecting their own personal attitudes onto God.
Another example: US Christian fundies who personally are pro-Second Amendment, anti-tax and anti-abortion will claim that "according to God" citizens have a sacred right to own weapons, taxation is theft and abortion is murder!
Before civilizations crumble, the last thing to hit the fan is government-sponsored, government-forced, religion that says god wants policies that benefit the 1 percent.
government-sponsored, government-forced, homosexuality, sodomy, and pedophilia.
I'll never forget that day agents from the Department of Homosexuality stopped by my house and forced me to have sex with gay guys and children. I don't want to talk about it any more. *shudder*
Homosexuality is a psychiatric disorder and probably the worst sin described in the Holy Bible
Probably? You're a retired military chaplain and you don't know? I'm an atheist and I know that the worst sin described in the bible is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, since it's described as the one unforgivable sin. Homosexuality doesn't even get a mention in the ten commandments.
"US military, historically known to be a beacon of morality and religious tolerance and freedom "
History rewrite, the American Exceptionalism card has been played. But what do we expect, he spent his life claiming that about his church too.
"Apparently Jim's never read the Bible himself, despie his claim to Chaplaincy. "
"...the US military, historically known to be a beacon of morality..."
He's never read any history either.
"Homosexuality is a psychiatric disorder..."
- I realize that you claim to speak for god, but that doesn't instantly make you a psychiatrist. Making claims that are outside of your field is an act of extreme hubris, the primal sin according to Augustine. You do know who Augustine was, don't you?
"...and probably the worst sin described in the Holy Bible..."
- The most frequently cited sin in the bible is idolatry. Idolatry seems to be much more of a concern to your god than sex of any sort. The chorus that says you've never bothered to read the bible seems to be correct.
"government-forced, homosexuality, sodomy, and pedophilia."
The government is not going to force you to engage in any of those activities.
Homosexuality is ... probably the worst sin described in the Holy Bible
In the OT, on a scale of 1 to 10, homosexuality comes in at about a 6 - equal to adultery, but well behind stuff like working on the Sabbath, disobeying your parents and making fun of bald people. Jesus never even mentioned it.
the last thing to hit the fan is government-sponsored, government-forced, homosexuality, sodomy, and pedophilia
Given that we can't even treat gays EQUALLY I think you're safe from that for a good long while. Oh and it's also unconstitutional. That might make it difficult, too.
Homosexuality is a psychiatric disorder
Really? Because I'm having a difficult time finding it in the DSM V or even the DSM IV.
probably the worst sin described in the Holy Bible
I thought that was denying the holy spirit. You know, the one unforgivable sin.
The consequences are said to be nothing short of eternal damnation, by choice
When did you choose to be straight?
Homosexuality is a psychiatric disorder and probably the worst sin described in the Holy Bible
So why does the Bible deal so much more with cases of murder than those of homosexuality? Murder does pretty permanent damage, you know.
You seem to believe that the US military is a caste apart; it is not. As a civilian democracy, in the United States the military reflects the people to which it belongs and has civilians appointed over it. If you don't like that, go and live in Egypt.
Well, o Linsiepoos: I hope the government - who are 'forcing' homosexuality, as per your claims - takes away your army pension, if you're soooooooo anti-government, then. And as you're clearly anti -government, you won't mind in the slightest if they do , for you even so much as thinking that 'opinion' of yours.
'Retired' indeed. Your career. It's dead, Jim, but not as we know it! [/'Bones' McCoy] >:D
"Before civilizations crumble, the last thing to hit the fan is government-sponsored, government-forced, homosexuality, sodomy, and pedophilia."
Uh, I must have missed the part where you cite well-researched, credible history texts which support that claim. Or, maybe it's just crap.
Actually John in Oz, leviticus likened engaging in homosexual relations within a specific context--members of the nation of Israel engaging in non-jewish religious rites which included temple prostitution--to idolatry (the word translated in the KJV as 'abomination' is the Hebrew word 'to'ebah' denoting 'ritually impermissible.) Leviticus makes no condemnation of homosexuality in and of itself, and does not identify it as an immoral practice (if the authors wished to communicate that meaning they would have used the word 'zimah', denoting 'morally perverse'.)
I have problems with the notion that civilizations "fall" or "crumble." If Gibbon had named his book "The Centuries During Which the Roman Empire Morphed into Something Else," we wouldn't be having these stupid discussions. Other stupid discussions, undoubtedly, but not precisely this one.
Anyway, trade routes change, there are wars and natural disasters, but non-standard boinking has never been a factor in the decline of any civilization.
"Anyway, trade routes change, there are wars and natural disasters, but non-standard boinking has never been a factor in the decline of any civilization."
This.
Ex-military here (though not US) and I happened to know people who were in service when homosexuality was "unbanned" in my country's forces.
You know what happened?
Everybody had a party because the gays were already there, and everybody else knew them .
Government forced sodomy? For real?
Actually this douchebag is wrong on so many counts. The military has led the way culturally. For example, the military was racially integrated before schools. The military has a way of cutting through bullshit because of the stakes.
"It's a shame that the US military, historically known to be a beacon of morality and religious tolerance and freedom"
Yes, just look at all that tolerance and freedom they spread around the world by blowing people up. At least you didn't say they were in the business of spreading peace. Well, you didn't say that in this quote at least.
"Before civilizations crumble, the last thing to hit the fan is government-sponsored, government-forced, homosexuality, sodomy, and pedophilia"
Citation needed. On this alone. And look at the Roman empire. It fell after Constatine made Christianity the religion.
I'm not even going to mention how the DSM IV and possibly DSM V don't even list homosexuality anymore nor does the fact he doesn't even know his own Bible
superbia, avaritia, luxuria, invidia, gula, ira, acedia.
No gender bias of any kind in that list, Bozo. Your (alleged) God is no more (allegedly) horrified if you do it with yourself. That would be my advice, notwithstanding.
Er, forced homosexuality? Equating homosexuality with pedophilia? Homosexuality causing the downfall of every major civilization in history?
Yeah, this guy is living in a different world.
If it's a psychiatric disorder, how can you force others to have it?
Also the worst sin? Even worse than murder, adultery or Harry Potter?
You sick fuck
First off, comparisons of homosexuality and pedophilia get tiring after hearing them for the billionth time. Secondly, is this guy implying that - at least "according to the Bible" - that homosexuality is a worse sin than pedophilia? Because either the pedophilia is mentioned in the Bible and is a sin, or the authors didn't think fuck all about writing/mentioning it/calling it a sin at all.
I dunno. I'm probably overanalyzing this stupidity. It's just really weird for him to try to casually draw the link between two separate things, and then imply that the less taboo one is the more sinful one "according to the Bible."
...I should just go to bed.
@JohnTheAtheist:
Not really, the military may have a tendency to be ahead of the game when it comes to matters that might affect operations, but they are usually quite far behind when it comes to other matters.
For example, it's still an offense in the UK forces for an officer to have a sexual relationship with an enlisted rank even if they do not have any kind of working relationship .
To iterate that another way, if you meet somwbody in a bar that is not of the same class as you and start having a relationship with them, the military will punish both of you, even if you are based at opposite ends of the country, and will never come into contact with each other in the course of your work.
The military is hideously backwards, just not with stuff that'll make headlines.
"US military, historically known to be a beacon of morality"
My Lai. Kent State.
As for "forced" homosexuality, you may want to investigate the prison/industrial complex the US runs.
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