The issue is this: did God have any involvement or not? Did God inspire the authors of the Scriptures? When someone claims that the Bible was written by men and not God, this is an absolute statement that reveals something extraordinary.
It reveals that the person saying this is claiming to be transcendent! When one claims that God was not inspiring the human authors of the Bible, that person is claiming to be omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent!
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Well, lets pretend for a moment that your god exists, and he inspired the writing of the very first documents in what would become the bible... you don't think translation, many, many falliable scribes, retranslation, hundreds more scribes, and another retranslation would take thier toll?
Assuming you're one of those idiots who is obsessed with the KJV, the writers/translators actually stated in a preface that they weren't inspired by god, and that they were falliable.
"When one claims that God was not inspiring the human authors of the Bible, that person is claiming to be omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent!"
Really? Ok, how about this:
When one claims that God was inspiring the human authors of the Bible, that person is claiming to be omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent!
Just as illogical? Yes, indeedy!
"When one claims that God was not inspiring the human authors of the Bible, that person is claiming to be omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent!"
NO, all that they are claiming is that men wrote the bible.
It's just the most likely explanation. Most books in existence were documented to be written by humans. There is no other known entity in our world that can write books. The obvious solution is to assume the Bible was written by humans, until some evidence to the contrary is presented. Is that clear now?
Huh? What about people claiming to know God's mind, are they not claiming to be omniscient? I've always heard Christians claim that we cannot fathom God's ways.
And anyone can just claim to be writing what God says. Just like that woman who drowned all her kids because God told her to.
The issue is this: did God have any involvement or not? Did God inspire the authors of the Qur'an? When someone claims that the Qur'an was written by men and not God, this is an absolute statement that reveals something extraordinary.
It reveals that the person saying this is claiming to be transcendent! When one claims that God was not inspiring the human authors of the Qur'an, that person is claiming to be omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent!
Things I've learned from this post:
Unless you are god, you can't deny the divine origin of any of the holy books! Sorry pal, that would include you.
When one claims that God was not inspiring the human authors of the Bible, that person is claiming to be omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent!
And when one claims that God was inspiring the human authors of the Bible, then they're claiming the same thing. But the first position is more likely, because the Bible is loaded with errors and inconsistencies, and more importantly, there are dozens of examples of people claiming to speak for God as a way of controlling people (Mohammad, Joseph Smith, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Charles Taze Russell, the Pope, etc.) and there's no reason to think the authors of the Bible weren't doing it, too.
Uh... no.
"The Bible was written by men and not God" is an absolutely true statement. Did God inspire the authors? That can't be proven since it's supernatural. But even if he did, that's not WRITING it, that's just INSPIRING it. The people who actually wrote it down were human beings, not God.
When one claims that God was not inspiring the human authors of the Bible, that person is claiming to be omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent!
Actually, they're using their logic in making that claim, since no supernatural being is known to exist and no conclusive evidence has ever been given for existence of one.
Aren't you claiming to be transcendent by claiming that the Bible was written by God? Quite the hypocrite, aren't we?
Go die in an oven you Holocaust supporter.
Yes, either they're claiming that, or even worse from a Fundie point of view, they're claiming not to be dumber than rocks!
No, they claim something that is thought by more than 2/3 of the population. If you believe in God, ok, but it's a matter of FAITH, if you know what it means.
Heres the keyword: IN-SPI-RED. INSPIRED. Shall we crack open our Webster's? Ok... lets see...
INSPIRED:
Main Entry: inspired
OK.. Now look at these words... "IN A WAY".... "TO A DEGREE" and "SUGGESTIVE OF".... nope.... dont see the words UNDENIABLY DEFINITELY or ABSOLUTELY when it comes to the divine inspiration... *whacks you on the head with the clue bat* THIS CAN EASILY DEDUCE THAT YOUR CLAIM THAT THE BIBLE WAS "INSPIRED" BY GOD HIMSELF... IS SUGGESTIVE.. AND NOT DEFINITE. ZING!
1000 Pts for the non believers... now shun them and go cry in a corner!
Bodie, you're forgetting that the bible is a closed system, and according to the Second Law, the bible's entropy has increased ever since it was written.
Now, if entropy increases exponentially, the bible is nothing more than dead dust.
Most of the Bible was forged after the alleged time; Sorry. The rest is a little poetry, even less history and a lot of bullshit.
"Facts are stupid things."
It does not take transcendence to research the Council of Nicaea, nor does it take transcendence to notice the numerous contradictions, atrocities and absurdities in the Bible, which an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent deity would never allow.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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