@ Pip:
I tl;dr disagree.
Incels persons who haven't had sexual contact with other people for a long time, if ever are socialized by friends at school, by media, and eventually by their own families (around their mid-teens) to find a partner. By the time a boy, especially, reaches high school he has likely heard all manner of bullshit from his friends about how much sex they’re getting; whereas he, for reasons that may have nothing to do with his looks or his personality, simply has not had sex yet and is perhaps not meant for it until he reaches his 20s or 30s (or, especially for the pathologically shy, older than that). It's a hard road, no pun intended; teenage boys are horny practically all the time. (This is one reason who everyone should be teaching a healthy attitude towards masturbation as a natural and harmless outlet for pent up sexual energies.)
The age when a person has sex does not determine their worth, and yet we live in a culture saturated with sex a culture where boys are inundated by images of hero-models with musculature so overdeveloped that the only explanations beyond Hollywood magic are steroids or some impossible level of genetic enhancement.
The messages are clear: It’s not okay for a guy to be a virgin in college. It’s not okay for him to be wiry, either. In truth, however, there are likely scads of people both male and female who don’t have sex until well into their 20s. They just don’t talk about it.
Male incels and the rest of us - live in a culture which tells people that guys who don’t have sex are freaks of nature; and, moreover, that they are being denied something essential to their happiness when they cannot find a partner willing to have sex more or less immediately.
...so they, the younger ones especially, go to a place that promises to teach them how to find sexual partners and that further boosts their ego by (a) blaming people especially women, but maybe even more so the incels themselves for what they perceive as a failure to mature into full manhood and (b) that inculcates these seekers with the belief they are being denied something to which nature itself entitles them.
Both these claims are wrong, but the former that incels are to blame because they haven’t “manned up” by acting like assholes around women is surely the more destructive.
It appeals to lonely men, this claim there's a “Game” which enables them to satisfy their perfectly natural desire for sex.
Meanwhile, some women actively encourage boorish behaviour in their partners, believing that "asshole" signifies virility (because education on basic biology - especially reproductive biology - is so woefully bad in some parts of the US). This sense that he is dangerous may impress a girl that he thus has the capacity to offer protection for his family.
Women who believe these things are exceptions to the rule, and yet media highlights them. Here are two media-driven examples of how poisonous ideas persist in part because of broadcasts like these:
If he hits you, it’s because he loves you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsKdBeb5-GI
If a man is “too nice,” the other shoe is bound to drop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U93BBNq5A64
Mixed signals and these are signals that young men must navigate.
In this sense, I believe the MRAs are correct: There is a lot of effort being expended to ensure young women develop a core of self-sufficiency and self-respect. Although male privilege does exist, it’s not sufficient reason for this disparity in efforts to ensure boys and men also develop such a core of self-respect a core that says, “If a woman is stringing me along, then she’s playing a nasty game and can fuck off.”
Certain MRAs err, though, in their beliefs that women don’t know what they want’ or that women are naturally suited to act as adjuncts to men, and never the other way around.'
WOMEN not necessarily 18-year-old club hoppers who are enjoying their youth and augmenting their experiences, for better or worse, with alcohol and drugs but WOMEN...yes, we can and will articulate what we want in a man and no our words are not code for the opposite and nor are they to be ignored.
I can’t speak for all women for example, the ones who believe the bullshit he hits you cause he loves you’ but I can make an educated guess as to what many women want.
Girls, like boys, will likely start their search for love by looking at superficial characteristics looks, which fade; double-sided character qualities, such as those of the “bad boy,” and so on.
WOMEN the even remotely smart ones, anyway are often looking for something else.
If you’re dating a woman with whom you cannot be friends, and with whom you cannot have an intelligent conversation, she’ll eventually bore the shit out of you long before her looks fade; vacuous sorts have ONLY their youth as an advantage. Once that’s gone, they either grow up or they continue on mental-empty until they die.
** Women want men who can see them as friends just as readily as they see them as sex partners.
** If you don’t know a woman - you've just met her, or are on a second or third date - don’t presume that you’re reading her signals correctly. You could easily come across a conventionally pretty woman hell, a decked out supermodel who reaches that elusive perfect 10 only to discover she’s incel for lack of confidence in herself. If you really want to get with a woman, for the long term and not merely as a one-night stand the relationship begins with communication and then proceeds from there until it eventually includes sex. A woman may reject the sexual advances of a guy whom she likes because she herself lacks the confidence to pursue the matter.
** Women would likely be a lot more adventurous and less picky about sex partners except they fear they could end up prey to a serial killer. (Young men’s greatest fear seems to be discovering their hot date is overweight. Women fear their hot date could be a multiple murderer.)
** Keep this in mind when you’re looking for a long-term relationship: If you come on too strong, you’ll spook a woman because overcompensating for what you see as your own shortfalls through extravagant gifts to someone you’ve barely met is a red flag: This man is dangerous, else why would he invest so much and so quickly in a new relationship?’
** Of course women like self-confidence. Younger ones in particular have a hard time differentiating between genuinely confident men and game-playing assholes who hide their own rot under a veneer of bravado. Smart women soon learn when they're dating an empty suit and hit the road.
** As mentioned previously, not all women are alike, much as men are different from each other. Some women (and MEN) actually do use their youth and conventionally attractive appearances in an effort to get gifts, protection, and a status-boost for themselves from the high status of their sugar daddies. They are, in general, prostituting themselves and they know it. The older men should be smart enough to realise it as well. That isn’t to say it’s wrong, so long everyone is having fun. It’s not the sort of relationship that usually leads to long-term trust and monogamy though. (If you’re not yet a financially successful man, then status-chasing women will be nothing but a bane to you. Chasing them and selling all you own for the girlfriend experience’ won’t net you the girl because she wants the status far more than she wants the man.)
If incels just want sex, hire a prostitute or pay food and drink for an interested woman who herself may be cruising the nightlife for sex. If incels want relationships, however, then they need to learn skills PUA “game” gurus simply do not teach.
The foundational lesson that PUAa do not teach is in how to develop and show genuine respect.
Yes, women really do want the most significant people in their lives to treat them with unfeigned respect.
That shouldn't surprise men because men want that too.
Physical attraction plays a role in getting two people together. Those with interest in a happy relationship, however, will deliberately look beyond surface attraction to see if there are points of commonality between the two parties. It is on these points, and on mutual strengths, and on mutual respect, that the most enduring relationships are based.
Recognise that perfection isn’t real; that looks fade, and that people who are deliberately dumb will likely remain so as a matter of habit.
It makes perfect sense to me that young men, or older ones who have had relationship problems from the first, would seek out comfort in the manosphere. (Women do likewise and few question the wisdom of it because, women like to communicate, and need an outlet.') Men, being of the same species, are in the same situation. But there are so many places in that manosphere where the lessons taught are not merely wrong but also counterproductive for guys who want lasting relationships.