Think with me:
1. If sexuality is a social construct it is changeable, if it is changeable it is possible to cure a gay, right?!
2. But if it is a factor of biological origin and the gene tendency is reproduction, anything outside heterosexuality is a deviation.
tertium non datur
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1.) If it’s a changeable social construct then in a free society one should be free to choose, right?
2.) But if it is a deviation of biological origin then it cannot be the ‘afflicted person’s fault.
gratuitous Latin phrase
Who says sexuality is a social construct? And are you sure they meant hetero/homo sort of sexuality? I don't think anyone says it's society influene that decides who i want to have touch my no-no place.
If it were, i would have married a pneumatic blonde, like TV keeps throwing at us.
Did they confuse assumed gender associations with sexuality?
I mean, there is a lot of social construct in gender norms, but that's got nothing to do with who you find sexually or romantically appealing.
Unless they are honestly suggesting that people who defy gender norms are now automatically considered a different gender, therefore whoever is attracted to them is now- oh you know what? No.
I feel stupid going down that train graveyard of a thought process.
By the way, even if sexuality could possibly be considered fluid in some situations, it shouldn't matter to anyone but the person or people who are actually involved.
As for the appeal to biology, not everyone has the ability or will to reproduce, and this includes plenty of people in heterosexual relationships.
The fact that there are people who are non-hetero suggests that it is natural.
They're not doing that to spite you. Seriously, what kind of weirdo would go to that special sort of effort?
Never mind that it's not your business, but whatever.
1. If sexuality is a social construct It is not.
2. But if it is a factor of biological origin and the gene tendency is reproduction, anything outside heterosexuality is a deviation. “Deviant” does not mean necessarily mean “wrong” or “undesirable”. It simply means that something is different from the norm.
tertium non datur Non ita. This is a false dichotomy. Ever considered the possibility that an interplay of nature and nurture could be in play here?
Point 1 is wrong. Expression of sexuality in terms of clothing and how people act and such is a social construct. Actual attraction isn’t. Point 2 is also incorrect. Deviation from nature isn’t inherently wrong, much of what humans do isn’t seen anyplace else in nature.
The whole argument falls apart.
1. If sexuality is a social construct it is changeable, if it is changeable it is possible to cure a gay, right?!
Sexuality is not a social construct. Gender is. They are not the same thing.
2. But if it is a factor of biological origin and the gene tendency is reproduction, anything outside heterosexuality is a deviation.
A variation, actually. You see, the gene tendency is survival of the species; as we’ve observed in thousands of other species, when a population grows too large too quickly for its habitat, homosexual individuals appear more frequently.
Also, by your logic, any skin colour other than black - as melanin is meant to protect us from the sun - is a “deviation.” Does that mean being non-black is a bad thing?
@Citizen_Justin #43137
At least his gratuitous Latin phrase was properly placed though, even if the concept behind it is unfortunately faulty.
Law of excluded middle
Basically, it’s the idea in logic that in any proposition either that proposition or its negating statement must be true. Unfortunately this only works if the logical dichotomy is actually a dichotomy, and there are only two possible states. Which, in life, never happens. As you so well demonstrated with a restatement of his proposition, and negated the new proposition with a statement that actually supports it.
Logic gets weird, no wonder simple minds like Lord Ribas can’t wrap their minds around it.
Confused?
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