RICHMOND, CA—"Appropriating the fashions, foods, music, and lifestyles of other cultures is evil and wrong," said a man wearing a flowery dress, jewelry, makeup, and demanding everyone call him "Denise."
"Just because you really, really like something that is different from the situation you were born into, does not make it right to just take it for your own sense of self-worth and happiness," said the man who was given the name Richard Nelvenburger at birth.
"Imagine how other cultures feel when you just take what makes them unique and make it your own. It’s unfair and wrong!" said the man who was born with a penis.
When confronted by a woman who pointed out the irony of what was being said, Denise rolled up the sleeves of her blouse and decked her.
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<@Chloe > #128158
But what if they’re from a culture that doesn’t HAVE women, huh? Didn’t think of that, did you?
::sigh::
I do note some irony in this. Most times men make a public appearance, no one spends time describing what they wore. It’s less common now, but when i was little , any time a woman got in front of a microphone, we at least knew if she wore a dress or a pants suit. Used to be a standard of journalism.
So for this article, they’re treating Denise like a woman. At least that far.
"Appropriating the fashions, foods, music, and lifestyles of other cultures is evil and wrong," said a man wearing a flowery dress, jewelry, makeup, and demanding everyone call him "Denise."
Cute. Dresses, jewelry and make-up are not exclusively made by or for women, and have been used by people who aren't women in many cultures throughout history. There are no women-only foods, music, fashions or lifestyles, nor is there anything women have made that would be "disrespectful" for people who aren't women to partake in.
Okay, one, being a woman is not a culture by any definition, smartass.
And two, f*ck you, I’ll eat as much sushi and listen to as much anime soundtracks as I want!
@KeithInc. #128165
Yeah, see media treatment of Hillary Clinton vs. any *white man she ever ran against. Tons of description and comments about what she wore and whether or not it was appropriate and much less about what she actually said.
*I was thinking back about it and realized they did comment some on Obama’s clothing, because anytime a black person dresses differently than the stereotype racists freak out.
The definition of culture includes borrowings and influences. You will never find music without prior influences. The proper concept of appropriation and where it can be problematic is for instance, when someone is trying to convince you that they're a shaman and propose you to pay them to risk death in a sweat tent, with claims that it'll solve all your problems.
So you consider men and women to be entirely different cultures? But, let me guess, sexism is not real, it’s just an anti-Christian lie?
<@Yutolia > #128228
Yeah, exactly. It’s like the opposite of the military. Wear a uniform for a day and EVERYONE concentrates on your shoes. Shiny enough, yes/no. Allowed with that uniform, yes/no. Lace correctly, yes/no.
White males can wear dresss shoes, loafers, cowboy boots, no one gives a rats. Long as he’s comfy.
A woman wears tennis shoes to Congress, it’s SIGNIFICANT.
<@Croquemitaine > #128242
Even in this case, it’s not even the appropriation that’s the problem, it’s that this kind of person running a sweat lodge doesn’t have a clue not only what the sweat lodge is for, but because of that also doesn’t know how to run it properly, and what to look for as far as possible dangers.
After all, the sweat lodge was never really meant so much as a physical health thing, though it can help with skin health as well as helping muscles to heal if done right. It was always much more of a social bonding thing, relaxation with friends. And the possible dangers are overheating and troubles with breathing, when the sweat lodge is not maintained right.
<@KZadBhat > #128317
I agree, that's also why it's considered misleading reappropriation, other than charlatanism, the context of the original culture is lacking, etc. I somehow seemed to remember that seeking visions was also a possible goal but I may have mixed it with something else too, I'd have to read on it again.
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