Saving America’s economy is not a conservative-versus-liberal issue, it is a biblical issue. National leaders have failed to pull the country out of its financial tailspin because both major parties are working from the wrong text. For a nation to achieve stability and enjoy lasting economic health, it needs to adopt the economic principles set forth in the Bible.
Godonomics uncovers the core teachings from God’s Word that offer the only workable solution to our nation’s economic back-slide. The principles set forth in Scripture uphold the superiority of free-market capitalism, which produced history’s highest standard of living and established the United States as an unrivaled superpower. But forces are at work today, even in the church, that seek to enslave our nation in a socialistic system. Now you can speak out—using God’s Word—against false teachings that endanger your livelihood and the future of America.
Let Godonomics show you God’s requirements for financial success—in your own life and in the affairs of our nation. By following Scripture’s economic principles, you can ensure your family’s financial well-being even if America falls into a deepening crisis. And if we act together, it is not too late to reverse the decline.
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OH yeah, and like I'm going to take financial advice from a Hovind.
Let Godonomics show you God’s requirements for financial success
Let me guess: "buy low, sell high". Right?
Night Jaguar,
think about the precepts of a commodities based currency when you're standing in line at a soup kitchen.
I already did Jefferson's most quoted today line:
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.
Liberal Christian. tell us something "touchy feel good" about progressive economics.
"For a nation to achieve stability and enjoy lasting economic health, it needs to adopt the economic principles set forth in the Bible."
Like those bastions of the Christian faith Japan and China, right?
Godonomics:
Luke 18:22 ...sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
Sounds very socialist to me.
None of this Socialistic Matthew 19 stuff either:
Jesus told him, "If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
No, they're going to do Matthew 25:42-46, just as the Bible says:
"For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment..."
The US isn't in a financial tailspin. When Obama took office, the Dow closed at 7,949. Today it closed at 14,832. That's an 86.6% increase - a return of 15.7% a year. Capitalism is alive and well, if you actually have capital.
The Bible doesn't advocate capitalism - it didn't exist 2,000 years ago. Jesus never worked for a living - he sponged off people and advocated giving to the poor. Only by cherry-picking and bizarre interpretations could anyone think the Bible advocates free-market capitalism.
sandchigger,
I'm also reminded that Japan's success could be linked to the Marshall plan - arguably a christian model of success; but I can understand people wanting to claim economics is secular.
@John - looking good for the 1% is it?
What God says about economics in the Bible:
...not much, but I suppose they spell out exactly how much slaves should cost.
Good that there's no hard definition of currencies there, so we can adjust for inflation.
What produced history's highest standard of living was not "free-market capitalism", but a sort of Keynesian consensus-based capitalism with lots of state intervention. The most prosperous era in American history was the 1945-1973 era. Since then you've gone back to the extreme wealth and poverty of the robber baron era.
What established the United States as an unrivalled superpower was having a war economy, with lots of government-originated stimulation of spending and technology, while Europe and the rest of the world were weakened by war.
I've read things before which claim that the Bible is capitalistic, and all they can ever come up with is one or two quotes which don't really sound capitalistic at all.
That's in contrast to the tens of quotes which are against wealth and money, and talk specifically about sharing things in common.
farpadokly
the first step in arguing for a Bretton Woods [ed#1] type economy is Deuteronomy "certain weights and measures"
Valuable consideration in enforceable contracts is implicit.
Confidence is everything - might be argued is a faith based proposition.
Don't scare the horses
Hard to run a modern economy with these Biblical rules:
Exodus 22:25
“If you lend money to any of my people with you who is poor, you shall not be like a moneylender to him, and you shall not exact interest from him.
Leviticus 25:37
You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit.
Deuteronomy 23:19
“You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest.
"Saving America’s economy is not a conservative-versus-liberal issue,"
Yes!
" it is a biblical issue. "
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Are we talking real Jesus style economics? Like sell all your possessions and give them to the poor, and avoid hoarding money? Or the bullshit faux neo-rightwing christian?
And seriously, christians with greater intellectual freedoms in China?
Japans prosperity was due to the Marshall plan, Japan wasn't a prosperous country before world war 2 ended?
Oh, Hovinds. You guys always make me laugh.
Free-market fanatics are just like religious fundamentalists. They have a book and prophet they cite but never read (Wealth of Nations and Adam Smith). A simplistic world view that no amount of evidence will ever change. Some arguments I've come across for lowering of the corporate tax rate are just as intellectually dishonest as anything you'll find in Christian apologetics. I'd argue that the free market fanatics are actually worse since they're far more powerful.
Anyway, that one can not only be a free-market fanatic AND a Christian at the same time but also claim that the latter informs the former is truly mind-blowing. Jesus must be rolling over in his grave.
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Phillip-George,
"think about the precepts of a commodities based currency when you're standing in line at a soup kitchen."
?
"Liberal Christian. tell us something 'touchy feel good' about progressive economics."
Hey Phil, tell us something about a Jebus-based economy.
That's almost funny. Heck, scratch that, this is hilarious. I can't even get mad, I'm too busy laughing.
Rabbit,
rule # 1, Audit the Fed.
sorry rabbit, I haven't got all day. Fiat currency it the first place to start.
And Jesus said there was stuff that belonged to Caesar - not Him.
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Phillip-George(c)2013 - ask a fundie and learn
I for one would like to see a return to the gold standard as well as the deportation of all the non tax paying illegals.
that wasn't me, but, heck
Erm, doesn't Jesus say "sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor"? That's hardly free-market capitalism. But, if you want to take the Word of God, then why not! Wait, isn't the communist idea of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" inspired from a Bible verse about the lives of the disciples?
Actually, the "free"-market worked as long as Greenspan kept control on the market. I read that he wasn't really aware of it at the time, but afterwards he realized just how much control he had held, when the market went into freefall after he left work. This wasn't the only factor, of course, but it was a contributing one. Bush's incompetent leadership was another large contributing factor...
The Bible endorses real slavery, ya know. You are very, VERY far from a socialistic system, you even have quite a bit to go to reach a liberal system.
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5/2/2013 11:04:29 PM
not me, but I suppose it could have been. You see chaps, ultimately, there but for the Grace of God go I.
Most grown ups who convert to Christianity were/ WERE, evolutionists. So I appreciate where you're coming from. So laugh loud and laugh long - it maybe all you've got. And if this blog is your only comfort zone in life's tumult - perhaps the real world should leave you alone, in your comfort zone.
"For a nation to achieve stability and enjoy lasting economic health, it needs to adopt the economic principles set forth in the Bible."
Have you ever read a history book? Just alone the number of Empires outside of Christdom and before Christianity is mindblowing refuting your every word.
"The principles set forth in Scripture uphold the superiority of free-market capitalism, which produced history’s highest standard of living and established the United States as an unrivaled superpower. But forces are at work today, even in the church, that seek to enslave our nation in a socialistic system"
In other words your quote-mining your holy book while delusionally ignoring all the "help the poor!"-stuff in it. And I almost thought you'd argue for social democracy like many Christian democrats would do.
"By following Scripture’s economic principles, you can ensure your family’s financial well-being even if America falls into a deepening crisis."
If you believe that is 100% possible you are an economics-retard.
Godonomics isn't a very good name. What about 'Ecognostics'?
Oh, and also this is is stupid yada yada, you guys all know that.
'Meekonomics'? They'll supposedly inherit the Earth, after all.
1)If he read the tithing requirements in the Pentateuch well enough, he wouldn't be so enthusiastic about biblical forms of taxation. Trying to get out of taxation is why his father is where he is.
2) You cannot have free-market capitalism where, as in the Bible, such a large proportion of the land is inaliable.
3) Free-market capitalism also runs up against things like the Sabbath, the Pilgrim Festivals.
I don't see this ending happily.
@Philip-George
1) Bretton Woods is about international finance, the World Bank and the IMF. How does this effect the behavior of Hovind's suckers followers?
2) "Weights and measures" are dealt with by just about every literate society from the Babylonians to the feudal kingdoms of the Middle Ages to the communist regimes of the twentieth century. "Weights and measures" have nothing to do with free-market capitalism.
@Philip-George
If dollars outside the US is what you're referring to, then that's why President Nixon withdrew the United States from the Bretton Woods system in 1971. That part of the system doesn't exist any more, while the other parts still function. Try and keep your understanding of what happens in the world at least within forty years of today.
Let me guess... one of Kent Hovind's kids?
The problem with Godonomics is that you have to keep sending money to TV preachers (at least 10%) in order to be blessed enough to magically get a bunch of money in return. It'll happen soon, just keep waiting and praying (and sending me money).
"Let me guess... one of Kent Hovind's kids? "
Yep.
The only person who could potentially get rich from Godonomics* is Chad Hovind (and even then I'm not certain that he will).
*Geez, what an awful name.
"Saving America’s economy is not a conservative-versus-liberal issue, it is a biblical issue. National leaders have failed to pull the country out of its financial tailspin because both major parties are working from the wrong text. For a nation to achieve stability and enjoy lasting economic health, it needs to adopt the economic principles set forth in the Bible."
Norway was effectively the only country to emerge out of this worldwide recession unscathed.
Norway: A state welfare'd up to the eyeballs; cradle-to-grave. Universal Healthcare. Social Democratic in nature, politically.
Rather secular , is that country.
Your call, Ch(o)ad.
"rule # 1, Audit the Fed.
sorry rabbit, I haven't got all day. Fiat currency it the first place to start."
Which has nothing to do with the Bible.
Let's see. Paying taxes(unlike your daddy)?, giving to the poor(as Jesus suggested)?, or living like bedouines in the dessert, or in an economy based on agriculture or flocking that started to decline like in Jesus's times?. Explain.
Whoever the fuck Chad Hovind is I don't think I would take economic advice from. Probably would get you thrown in prison. Apparently Kent Hovind's son Eric Hovind is also involved in "Godonomics."
The Bible supports free-market capitalism about as much as it supports democracy--zero. Now socialism, on the other hand...
Yeah Right. This is one of their new stunts, Fisher, Shafaly and Barton are all spreading this shit around.
The fact is the Biblical commerce plan is that you are a possession of your King or Royal household of your area, you are always a serf and shall remain one your whole life. If you farm, trade or produce you will only keep the benefits of your labours that your lord sees fit.
This verses a longstanding, at least before the Bibles existance, of the marketplace, supply and demand, and the establishment of coin of the realm. America was formed on EXACTLY the same market principles that were already existing in many countries of the world.
What they're trying to claim is like: since Joeseph and Mary had to travel to Bethleham to be counted in the census for tax purposes, therefor the Bible invented or origionated the entire concept of taxation. When in fact the actual existance of taxation then shows todays system to be not new, origional, nor an American concept.
"The principles set forth in Scripture uphold the superiority of free-market capitalism"
So when Jesus said to sell everything you own and give the money to the poor, he didn't really mean that?
Why couldn't God create his own money...?!
And thus is any & all Christianity = Capitalism arguments completely annihilated.
"Let Godonomics show you God’s requirements for financial successin your own life and in the affairs of our nation. By following Scripture’s economic principles, you can ensure your family’s financial well-being"
Yeah. Just as Jim Bakker did, eh? 'God helps those who help themselves ', after all.
And you're one to talk, Ch(o)ad. Remember where your dad is right now, and [i]why[/i].
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