Sorry folks but the proof of the pudding is in the tasting as they say. I have lived with and know many people who have thriving beautiful vegan cats and these cats are around 10 years old now and look like a young cat, never need vet visits for bad health. I think you need to understand this equation- Newton’s Law of Motion : “To every action there is always an equal and contrary reaction; the mutual actions of any two bodies are always equal and oppositely directed.” Action and reaction are thus exactly equal. “To have a single force is impossible. There must be, and always is, a pair of forces equal and opposite.” Any time someone pays for an animal to be killed for them (buying pet food or a baby cow or sheep) to eat or for their pets, you end up with this equation Violence = Violence The violence of killing a cow for example is returned (equal and opposite reaction) in the form of ill health, accident, loss etc it could happen anytime after the first act of violence and come in any number of ways, but one thing is sure, IT WILL COME!!! AS the song says “You only get what you give” It works like gravity, even if you dont beleive in gravity it still affects you. This is a scientific fact that Mr Newton discovered and it applies to ALL physical matter. That is why we are taught from a wee kid to do good and be nice because thats what we get in return. Wake up people, use your logic you cannot create good health from a viloent act and killing is ALWAYS violent!
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Your body is designed to be carnivorous. Get over it.
And either you're lying about the cats, their owners are lying, or those poor animals are out hunting to feed themselves the meat that their idiot vegan owners refuse to give them, or they would be dead.
Those cats are smart enough to hunt their own food. Check the rat population in your area.
This is unrelated but you know when cats bring you dead stuff instead of just eating it themselves, that's the same behaviour they do with their kittens as lesson 1 of hunting.
So if your cat brings you dead stuff, it's saying you suck at hunting, and is trying to teach you.
Anyways, survival of the fittest:
We have evolved to be omnivorous, and our brains mean we can farm animals. Let's eat.
Technically, the chicken is the most successful bird on the planet. They are completely exempt from extinction as long as we are around.
++"I have lived with and know many people who have thriving beautiful vegan cats and these cats are around 10 years old now and look like a young cat, never need vet visits for bad health."
Either you're flat-out lying, you're choosing to see a healthy cat where only a feeble, malnourished cat is to be found (do they "look like a young cat" because their growth was horribly stunted?) or those cats are hunting for their own food to make up for having a shitty owner who would sooner kill them with the slow death of starvation than feed them what said owner damn well knows they need to survive yet refuses to provide. Now let's discuss your more solid failures.
Failure 01: That's a law of physics, you dumb cunt. Not fucking philosophy.
Failure 02: The opposite of a thing is not the exact same fucking thing . The opposite of violence is not violence. The opposite of violence would be nonviolence. Pacifism, for instance. Indeed, living things tend to be very much "pacified" by their death.
Failure 03: Newton didn't discover gravity. It was already pretty damn apparent to everyone that something was holding them to the ground. He didn't announce the discovery of gravity only for people to ask themselves "come to think of it, when was the last time I just floated off into the sky". Newton was merely studying the effects of a known force to get a better idea of how it worked.
This is maybe exhibit A for the argument that religion is a symptom, rather than a cause, of idiotic groupthink. I've heard every stupid Fundy argument in the book from Vegans, from claiming anyone who stopped being a Vegan or failed to enjoy the predicted health benefits was not a real Vegan, to this Newtonian Karma bullshit.
Have you ever taken the course on CPR? Those compressions can be very violent. And if someone was threatening your life with a firearm, and I saved you by shooting or stabbing him, would you mind, or would you prefer I just let karma operate?
Putz.
#1742428: The human body isn't carnivorous by nature, it's omnivorous.
The FELINE body, no matter what this idiot says, is purely carnivorous. I'm a vegetarian; my cat isn't. Forcing veganism on a cat is animal abuse, pure and simple.
You know there is a huge logic fail in these types of vegan arguments- if eating meat is so bad for you, why did we ever start in the first place?
I too know a lady with multiple very healthy, very old cats. She feeds them a strict diet of only meat that she prepares for them herself. She also claims that her cats only use the litterbox once every three days. While dogs can handle the grains and other by products found in commercial pet food, cats are almost exclusively carnivores.
Cats are so far carnivorous that it's been shown that they can't even taste sugars. Sure you could probably design a vegan diet for a cat; and if he has to, he'll eat it to stay alive. You'll be feeding the poor animal nutritious Styrofoam all his life.
killing is ALWAYS violent!
So is killing plants; in fact, many plants are still alive when you eat them. I'm sorry - humans can't photosynthesize. They have to kill to eat.
Cats are smart, if you try to feed it a vegetarian diet it'll look at you like an idiot and then waltz out to feed itself, cos that's how nature works. It'll probably leave you something on your front door as a way of saying 'You eat this numbnuts.'
Once again (and I say this as a Vegetarian), your food choices are not the same as your animal companion's. In the wild, your cat would be eating meat. Don't assume that what comes naturally for you extends to your feline friend.
Cats are obligate carnivores (as are ferrets) Even domestic cats are still half wild. They need meat! Your "vegan" cat is probably killing rodents or insect behind your back in a desperate attempt to get the protein they need.
@John, I know cats aren't supposed to be able to taste sugar, but I swear my polydactyl does! My other two show no interest in dairy (I know most cats are lactose intolerant) or any other human foods, but Marmitude loooves yogurt, cheese, ice cream, pudding, frosting. She ignores milk, but if I have any of those other things, I will be sharing a little of them. You just try to thwart the will of a cat with thumbs....
Bullshit. Cats, dogs, and humans require arachidonic acid to survive. The bodies of humans and dogs can manufacture this acid from non animal sources. Cats cannot. They can only obtain it via eating meat. This makes cats true carnivores.
Nature is violent. If you want to deal with carnivorous animals, domesticated as they may be, you have to accept that it's what they do to survive with adequate nutrition. Either grow up or don't keep pets.
I wonder how do 'religious' vegan activists fail to see that their utopian philosophy is ridden with hypocricy? They refuse to eat meat because they are against violence yet they forget that animal deaths are involved in producing their vegan food too. They refuse to wear natural clothes for the same reason yet forget about the harm brought upon the nature by chemical industry. And the list goes on.
And as for the cats... that's animal cruelty, plain and simple.
I'm an irrational man.
I'm aware of this, so when I let my dark side out to play on this site I try to keep in mine that, whatever invective I may use to describe them, the people posting are human beings deserving of compassion and respect.
But people who abuse cats, whether from sadism or ideology, make me imagine driving a katana through the top of their skulls and out through their arseholes with no guilt or hesitation.
You are a lying sack of shit and your cats should be taken off those people for cruelty. Cats are obligate carnivores who will DIE if they don't eat meat.
@ NeoFaust:
Right there with you, mate.
@ John & musicalbookworm:
I think one of ours can taste sugars as well. Could this be a recent mutation or am I misunderstanding the science involved?
@John
You know, that gives me an interesting idea for a sci-fi story about an isolated group of people who chemically synthesize all of the substances they need to eat, taking care to ensure that it remained non-living at all times. And then they point their fingers at vegetarians for being both a) violent against plants and b) hypocritical about it.
Salad is murder too!
@OHP
Failure 02: The opposite of a thing is not the exact same fucking thing. The opposite of violence is not violence. The opposite of violence would be nonviolence.
Minor quibble: in the context of Newton's Second Law, "opposite" means "going in the opposite direction", so the opposite of an act of violence would indeed be just as much violence heading the other way. Not that it's some inviolate law of sociology, of course.
Did you know that the more a lion kills and eats it's prey, the sicker it gets? If only it just ate grass like a good vegan, why they'd all live forever.
We don't get nearly enough hippie nutjobs.
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