If god is the sole creator of the natural world, then he is also the sole arbiter in deciding what is natural an un-natural, the former being that which is in harmony with his plan and his nature. He is, of course, also the only means by which anyone can tell what is right and wrong.
If it necessary and/or beneficial for a society or nation not to contravene god's laws and tolerate disobedience to them, preferring rather that which is 'right' and 'natural' according to god, its legislation, the key way in which it controls the populace, should reflect this.
If god created sex for a married woman and man, then it is immoral for unmarried women and men to have sex with one another, because it is a violation of god's plan for humanity.
Should extramarital sex be criminalised? At the very least, should the State not remove any children produced through extramarital sex, so that they are not poisoned with this immorality and un-natural behaviour?
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Biblical marriage:
You see, you grab, you rape, you are married. Repeat until you can barely pay to keep your wifes and children alive.
Congratulations, you have got a biblical family combining the best of multiple wifes with the commandment of "go forth and screw like rabbits".
At the very least, should the State not remove any children produced through extramarital sex, so that they are not poisoned with this immorality and un-natural behaviour?
I bet this guy is all for parental rights in other circumstances.
"If god is the sole creator of the natural world, then he is also the sole arbiter in deciding what is natural an un-natural
The operative word is IF he is the sole creator of the natural world. Which I do not believe.
God created sex for breeding, that´s true. Marriage is a totally human institution. By our standards, Adam and Eve WERE NOT MARRIED(no priest or judge, no witness, no party)and there was incests going on, because Eve was, technically speaking THE DAUGHTER OF ADAM. And it doesn´t cover, of course, rape, for example. Or anyway, think about the first cavemen, or Caine and Abel. Let´s skip the nonsense of where on earth(never better appropiate)he would find a wife. Who is going to celebrate, what´s after all a human convention, if he´s the son of the first parents?. Natural means THAT IT´S HELD IN NATURE. Do animals marry?.
"If god is the sole creator of the natural world, then he is also the sole arbiter in deciding what is natural an un-natural [...] According to Christian mythology, that one's true. Doesn't change the fact that homosexuality is natural, though.
[...] the former being that which is in harmony with his plan and his nature. Nonsense. "Natural" means "occuring in nature" or "from nature". God is not mentioned with a word.
He is, of course, also the only means by which anyone can tell what is right and wrong. Arrogant bullshit which I simply cannot be bothered to refute for the thousandth time.
If it necessary and/or beneficial for a society or nation not to contravene god's laws and tolerate disobedience to them, preferring rather that which is 'right' and 'natural' according to god, its legislation, the key way in which it controls the populace, should reflect this. Meaning?
At the very least, should the State not remove any children produced through extramarital sex, so that they are not poisoned with this immorality and un-natural behaviour?" This has to be the sickest thing I've read for a long time. And that says quite a bit, FSTDT's nature being what it is.
Robbie is not a fundie. In fact, if you search his posts on CF, you'll see he's quite the opposite. This looks like a game of Devil's Advocate to me, and I don't think it belongs on FSTDT.
This would be bait, later on he comes out with:
I don't actually believe there's anything wrong with raising children outside of marriage. My post was merely an excercise in framing the arguments against gay marriage in other terms to show that they are idiotic and result from deep seated fear and hatred of gay people and nothing else.
Which is pretty amusing given the reactions it's getting there.
It seems that for a lot of fundies, their only response to anything they don't like is, "Pass a law against it!" Geeze, there'd be prisons on every street corner!
"If god is the sole creator of the natural world, then he is also the sole arbiter in deciding what is natural an un-natural, the former being that which is in harmony with his plan and his nature. He is, of course, also the only means by which anyone can tell what is right and wrong."
Anyone who believes this is a danger to society.
So, you wan't to impose Sharia laws? Sharia -"path to the water hole", a metaphor for a whole way of life ordained by God.
The crucial word in your argument is "If", dearie. You have to prove, to our satisfaction, that your god (and no-one else) created the "natural world", before we'll consider your proposal.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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