So, if the Bible, history, psychology, and nature all argue for marriage being between a man and a woman—why is there such a controversy today? Why are those who are opposed to gay marriage/same-sex marriage labeled as hateful, intolerant bigots, no matter how respectfully the opposition is presented? Why is the gay rights movement so aggressively pushing for gay marriage/same-sex marriage when most people, religious and non-religious, are supportive of—or at least far less opposed to—gay couples having all the same legal rights as married couples with some form of civil union?
The answer, according to the Bible, is that everyone inherently knows that homosexuality is immoral and unnatural, and the only way to suppress this inherent knowledge is by normalizing homosexuality and attacking any and all opposition to it. The best way to normalize homosexuality is by placing gay marriage/same-sex marriage on an equal plane with traditional opposite-gender marriage. Romans 1:18-32 illustrates this. The truth is known because God has made it plain. The truth is rejected and replaced with a lie. The lie is then promoted and the truth suppressed and attacked.
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Psychology and nature don't argue for marriage at all; there is nothing 'natural' or inherent about marriage. The Bible also 'argues for' polygamy, levirate marriage etc. but I don't see you agreeing with it.
Romans 1:18-32 doesn't mention same-sex marriage; it is not a synonym of 'unnatural lusts.'
psychology, and nature all argue for marriage being between a man and a woman
I beg to differ.
The answer, according to the Bible, is that everyone inherently knows that homosexuality is immoral and unnatural
>according to the Bible
In that case, Bible is wrong.
The answer, according to actual truth, is that t3h g3igh is so "controversial" in many circles because traditionalists want to preserve an idea that is squarely rooted in times with low-population societies.
"So, if the Bible, history, psychology, and nature all argue for marriage being between a man and a womanwhy is there such a controversy today?"
Because history psychology, and nature argue for something different, while the Bible argues for PI=3.0.
So, if the Bible, history, psychology, and nature all argue for marriage being between a man and a womanwhy is there such a controversy today?
A) The Bible doesn't. In fact, it mentions many wives and slave wives and concubines.
B) History doesn't. History shows that marriage has changed so much, to the point that one man one woman only marriage is a relatively new concept.
C) Psychology? Where? You're not referring to studies that show children raised by same sex couples fare no worse to those raised by straight couples, are you? You might need to reread those studies to get an idea of what it says.
D) Nature has displayed several instances of homosexuality and bisexuality. you fail yet again.
E) The controversy is caused by people like you who only want to discriminate against gay people and hide behind the convenient 'my beliefs' excuse and pretend that it shields you from behaving like a decent human being.
F) Fuck you for being an indecent human being!
"Why are those who are opposed to gay marriage/same-sex marriage labeled as hateful, intolerant bigots, no matter how respectfully the opposition is presented?"
I don't know, perhaps it's your appalling behaviour? If you think that calling them immoral liars is 'respectfully' presenting the opposition then you're a fucking idiot.
Fundie: "The Bible, history, psychology, and nature all argue for marriage being between a man and a woman! So why is there such a controversy today? Why are those who are opposed to gay marriage/same-sex marriage labeled as hateful, intolerant bigots, no matter how respectfully the opposition is presented?"
Atheist: "Well, there are passages in the Bible that 'argue for' polygamy, levirate marriage, concubines in addition to wives, rape victims having to marry their rapists and whatnot. But you don't agree with those, do you?"
Fundie (growling in anger): "HOW many times must we tell you people that ONLY the Bible passages that argue for one man, one woman marriage COUNT! The passages YOU just alluded to are JUST STORIES!!! So they *DON'T* count!!!!"
If your entire argument is that SSM shouldn't be allowed because your god said so, I have this to ask you:
Why should people who don't follow your religion be forced to live by it's rules, and why should the government act as minister-by-proxy to enforce them?
Your claim on being 'the one truth' (which is generally the answer given) doesn't hold water when one considers the vast number of religions that existed before yours, so yours doesn't exactly qualify as ultimate truth.
Legislating it as if it was doesn't work in a secular nation.
Marriage is a social construct, defined by the State, not a religious text. If you doubt that, ask why it's possible to be married anywhere you want without a church being involved, but it's not possible to be married in a church without the State being involved. Why do ministers/priests have to be authorized by the State to perform marriages?
So, if the Bible, history, psychology, and nature all argue for marriage being between a man and a womanwhy is there such a controversy today?
Do you see where the problem with your question is? Hint: I bolded it for you.
everyone inherently knows that homosexuality is immoral and unnatural
No, they don't. You're projecting your own homophobia on everyone else.
Why are those who are opposed to gay marriage/same-sex marriage labeled as hateful, intolerant bigots, no matter how respectfully the opposition is presented?
You can't advocate taking away people's rights and call it respectful. That's why you're labeled as hateful, intolerant bigots.
@KittyKaboom
Why should people who don't follow your religion be forced to live by it's rules, and why should the government act as minister-by-proxy to enforce them?
Because they're just trying to save them from their sinful ways and this is a Christian nation! It says so in the Constitution!
"Why are those who are opposed to gay marriage/same-sex marriage labeled as hateful, intolerant bigots, no matter how respectfully the opposition is presented?"
Because no matter how much perfume you spray on a pile of shit, it's still a pile of shit, and it still stinks.
So, if the Bible, history, psychology, and God all argue [I]against[/I] divorce , why is there no controversy about Newt Gingrich?
So - and as the last link from Ruptured Retards proves * - Divorce isn't immoral, eh GQM? Gotcha. [/hyper-sarcasm]
But then, when your ultimate arbiter of 'morality' & standards-setter God committed Adultery with the underage child bride Mary (thus proving he's also a paedophile ), when her betrothed Joseph hadn't even touched her yet, I guess that makes the statistic of marriages in the very religious Midwest & Bible Belt states being one in two not a controversy: your own 'God' [I]committed[/I] that sin himself, ergo it's [I]not[/I] a sin...!
But then, when racists justified bigotry against African-Americans via the Bible, then one can 'interpret' it to be/do whatever you want it to be, certainly mean . Strange that there's no witchhunting of Ted Faggard & his fundie closeted ilk; can you say 'Log Cabin Republicans', GQM? You're gonna have to, if you're gonna need every single vote, come 2016. [/Hillary Clinton ]
*- Hypocrisy, thy name is Fundie.
So, if the Bible, history, psychology, and nature all argue for marriage being between a man and a woman
The bible argues against men sleeping with other men. Marriage in the bible is between a man and as many wives, concubines, slaves, rape victims, and female prisoners of war as he can afford.
why is there such a controversy today?
Because you fundies still get your panties in a bunch whenever the subject is mentioned. Get over yourselves: you don't get to decide how other people should live.
according to the Bible
And according to sensible people the bible is full of shit, so take your holy script, and stop trying to make non-believers submit to your dogma.
Edit: I really like how his website doesn't allow for comments. Real easy to insulate yourself from opposing views.
Marriage is whatever the people of a nation, through their legal processes, say it is. I don't really think you'd enjoy living by biblical law, what with the priests of Yahweh claiming your first-born sons, first male livestock, etc.
As demonstrated in Garden State Equality v. Dow in New Jersey, because many laws and corporate rules specifically use the term MARRIAGE, a similar legal arrangement by another name isn't really equal.
The bible has very little to say about homosexuality, but the fact that it is mentioned AT ALL indicates that homosexuals have been around for a couple of millennia, and probably forever. It isn't an invention of the twenty-first century.
If you want to have a two-sex marriage, you are still allowed to. If you want to pretend that sex is only accomplished with the missionary position, that's still legal too. In other words, the law has not been changed with respect to YOUR marriage. YOU have all the same marital rights you've ever had. THAT'S WHERE YOUR INFLUENCE ENDS. Neither you nor I have any stake in the marriage or sexual practices of any other individuals. Our approval or disapproval is not required, any more than some random stranger had the power to object to YOUR marriage. So might I suggest, with all due respect, that you SHUT YOUR CAKE-HOLE about the subject.
"The answer, according to the Bible, is that everyone inherently knows that homosexuality is immoral and unnatural"
Yet, not everyone, including not every straight, thinks this way. There are many of whom that have concluded that homosexuality is natural and perfectly acceptable with no adverse consequences. Yet again, this would mean that the word of God proves to be fallible.
So according to your bible, what does it say about remarriage after a divorce, working on the sabbath, wearing clothes of mixed fabrics, disobedient children, tattoos, followers of other religions, and women who aren't virgins on their wedding night?
Why do religious people ignore almost every other rule mentioned in the bible and only focus on the rule about homosexuality? The truth is that they are hypocrites.
"Why are those who are opposed to gay marriage/same-sex marriage labeled as hateful, intolerant bigots, no matter how respectfully the opposition is presented?"
I call them as I see them. I have yet to see the argument represented in a respectful manner. Can you give me an example?
++"So, if the Bible, history, psychology, and nature all argue for marriage being between a man and a woman"
None of those things argue for that. Not even the Bible, itself. It comes close in arguing that there must be no more than one man but that's the extent of it.
++"The answer, according to the Bible, is that everyone inherently knows that homosexuality is immoral and unnatural"
Really? Is that why so many people clearly don't believe that? I can quite confidently tell you now that I've never believed that homosexuality was wrong, myself.
Well what do you know? The bible was wrong yet again.
Well, the bible has no inherent authority to argue in support of or opposition to anything--if you are going to embrace a traditional biblical view of matrimony the form it would take would be polygamy--one man and however many women he can afford to support.
History, psychology and nature do not argue in support of marriage being between one man and one woman.
if the Bible, history, psychology, and nature all argue for marriage being between a man and a womanwhy is there such a controversy today?
Because, with the possible exception of the Bible, none of them do say that.
"Why are those who are opposed to gay marriage/same-sex marriage labeled as hateful, intolerant bigots, no matter how respectfully the opposition is presented? "
Bigotry in this instance is treating people differently based on non-chosen identity facctors, such as race, sex, skin colour, eye colour, handedness, sexuality, height, etc.
Teating an arbitrary group of people as lesserthan you in some way is, by definition, hatelful.
psychology, and nature all argue for marriage being between a man and a woman
Neither of them say that. Psychology says that kids raised by same-sex parents turn out just as good as ones raised in "traditional marriage" and that the only real problem with homosexuality is caused by internalizing the shame spread by bigots like you.
Nature has no concept of marriage at all but homosexuality has been observed in over 1500 species.
Why are those who are opposed to gay marriage/same-sex marriage labeled as hateful, intolerant bigots, no matter how respectfully the opposition is presented?
How does nature argue for marriage?
Most people, religious and non-religious, are supportive of same-sex marriages, at least in Western countries.
Most people don't care either way about homosexuality nowadays, dearie. Their lives, their bodies, their choice, sort of. nature , after all.
Why do you say gay marriage/same-sex marriage? A gay marriage is a same-sex marriage, probably between two men, but might be between two women.
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