Is killing a witch always a bad thing?
More than likely if your coming into this thread to answer this question yes,(it is always wrong to kill a witch) you are probably working under the assumption that all practitioners of witchcraft are benign, misunderstood people.
In the Spirit of Halloween the family and I like to watch scary movies and the two new ones we've seen are "the conjouring" and the new rob zombie Salem witch/Rose Mary's baby cross over thing. Both with out giving anything away had to do with witches/people who acted on the behalf of demonic forces. Killing, tormenting, and feeding off of others. This was done for the most part supernaturally. So part one of my question is if you and your family were being tormented as these two movies depict would you be justified in killing a witch in this day and age? What about 2 to 3 hundred years ago?
Second part what if a group of witches were tormenting, killing members of your family or pets and generally feeding off of the torment and terror they visited upon you using non supernatural means? Again in this day and age or what about 200 years ago?
In short where does the modern sense of morality draw the line, or is their no line because the desire to be politically correct has one negate common sense/self defense because these people gather and worship under a P/C protected religion?
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Yes...yes it is.
Since those are movies and magic powers don't exist, you're advocating murder over horror stories.
You people really can't separate fiction from reality, can you? I mean, you just can't quite wrap your mind around the concept that something can merely be entertaining without also being real.
Say it with me:
Fiction is not real! Thus the name, “fiction”. And horror movies are fiction.
Now write that 500 time on the blackboard before you are allowed to go home!
The last time I saw christers and wiccans interacting was last year in a local park. The wiccans were holding some sort of big circle, holding hands thing, while the followers of meek and mild Jesus were tossing pine cones and garbage at them. Someone finally called the cops, and everyone was so impressed how these scumbags were able to work "fuck you" and "Jesus loves you" into one sentence.
Despite my iron-clad atheism and my desire not to take sides when religions clash, I really had to fight the urge to see if the christers really are as tough as they like to think they are.
Huh?
Also, I question your taste. The Wall, even if it wasn't meant that way, is the best horror movie. 1982 or not.
OK people, repeat after me: There's no such thing as magic. Repeat until you understand it.
In case you don't remember, Drich is the same one who was offering to pray that atheists get cancer, HIV, or some other life-threatening disease. How this makes him better than a witch casting a spell on someone I have no idea.
@Dr. Shrinker: Drich is no poe. If he is, then he's the biggest troll/poe that Atheist Forums has ever seen.
If you can't tell the difference between movies and reality, maybe you shouldn't watch those kind of movies.
As for your second part, if someone was physically trying to kill me or my family then yes I might have to resort to killing them as and act of self defense. But I had better be damn sure, otherwise it wouldn't fly with the law.
That's where the modern sense of morality draws the line, happy now?
Yeah, yeah, prove to me someone is really a malevolent witch (With a 'W'), and I'll light the pyre myself.
Until then, I recommend you do unto yourself and DIAF
There are people who truly believe in witchcraft, curses, and the like. These people have absolutely no ability to understand cause and effect. They believe, when bad things happen to them (like breaking a glass and cutting themselves on the shards) that some individual or group made that happen by voodoo or witchcraft or sheer force of will. We call these people Paranoid Schizophrenics. They walk among us. The high-functioning ones attempt to validate themselves by spreading their diseased memes to the suggestible. Drich, I'm looking at you!
"In short where does the modern sense of morality draw the line..."
Well, we can start with things that are actually real .
Yes. Next question, please.
I work under the assumption that there is no such thing as witchcraft.
Let me clue you in on movies, honey; They. Are. Not. Real.
If someone threatened a family member or a friend, I would (probably) do everything I could to remove the threat and stop the perpetrator from harming anyone. I would not aim to kill, and it's probable that I would be killed or harmed. But, this has nothing to do with witchcraft.
No. Any murder or other crime, done for any reason, should be reported to the police.
However, "feeding off of terror" is not a crime. If it were, everyone who watched beheading videos or even rodeos would be in jail.
Jumping and executing people in the night for no tangible reason is not self-defense. I don't care how you spin that shit. Isn't being a good little church goer supposed to make you immune to black magic? So really if people actually had satanic powers the only people they could use it on is people you probably want to justify killing anways.
Okay, I know it's a hard concept to grasp but listen to me carefully:
Murder is bad.
Maybe your religion should have an easy-to-understand set of rules clearly outlining what is and is not something you should be doing. You know, just a short list covering the big ones. Doesn't have to be very big, maybe just ten bullet points to squeeze in stuff like murder and thievery, the stuff us amoral heathens already figure is pretty wrong to do.
Oh... Right.
+1 with nazani14
I'd add that self-defence means you can PROVE there is a LETHAL, IMMEDIAT, OBVIOUS THREAT. Have fun proving in front of a judgea wiccan was such a threat.
I don't care wether magic does exist. I care about self-defence. If you are really threatened to death immediately, you can defend yourself. Only then. And not in your mind, in the real world. Law does not allow preemptive strikes, and it seems to me that's what you're advocating.
Yes, the PC thing to do is not kill innocent people, it's true. Witches who cast useless "spells" are harmless and can't actually hurt anyone, so...
And you can't just go out and kill people, ffs. History has shown us that witch hunts and trials are not good things. Not good things at all.
I would have thought killing is fine if you're a Bible Goddist and the slain person isn't. Why all the angst? Morality doesn't come into it when you make your own reality, fictive elements provide much greater flexibility and enable a much finer blend of emotional turmoil and self entitlement.
And of course, when the murder victims are somehow connected to nonexistent things like demons and magic, then those connected to other nonexistent things like Bible God are entitled to slay them with out any recourse to real world morality.
The system's a beauty and is perfect for those of a murderous intent and works best outside the real world laws of the land.
Uhh..you are aware that scary movies such as you describe aren't documentaries, right? That they are works of fiction and that demonic forces are imaginary?
As to the second part, if a group of people--witches or otherwise--were tormenting or killing members of a family or their pets, it's a matter for the police and courts to resolve, not a justification to embrace vigilante justice.
Ninety percent of the time, I'm under the impression that Christanity and Pagans share holidays and are generally sister religions, even if Christianity is occasionally the weird sister that tells you it hates you because zebra. Then there's the ten percent like this.
Ooooh. I recognize "Drich" from Atheist Forums. He is a known idiot.
But, I guess that's pretty obvious.
I'd like to see you try.
Seriously.
Come at me bro.
Chapasah, in Hebrew, is really a poisoner. Not much to do with wicca. The translation from Hebrew to Latin, to German, to English was like Chinese whispers. So much for the inerrancy of the bible.
Those are FICTION, you dimwit.
Also, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
As a Wiccan,I can tell you,we wouldn't hurt babies,women,men,or anyone else...besides being morally reprehensible,and us not wanting such a thing to happen to *our* families,much less yours,if we were to do such a thing,we'd get it back three times worse than we sent it out,it's called the Rule of Three.Karma's only a bitch if you are!
There are no "supernatural powers", so anyone who claims they're being victimized by a "witch" is nuts. If they furthermore assault someone in the false belief that they're being victimized, then thy are mentally ill and need to be either jailed or hospitalized.
> Killing, tormenting, and feeding off of others. This was done for the most part supernaturally. So part one of my question is if you and your family were being tormented as these two movies depict would you be justified in killing a witch in this day and age? What about 2 to 3 hundred years ago?
What if I told you, movies are fiction , and nothing but fiction ?
Witches don’t exist, and therefore cannot be killed; any and every attempt to kill a witch will result in the death of an innocent human being. Get that through your goddamned skull.
The conjureing was a shit movie and i had to stop watching it the moment they blamed salam witchs for the big bad evil. Normally this wouldn't be so bad in the context of fiction, but the movie trying to tell people its a true story, that makes it god awful.
Well, to be fair, if you don't kill the witches, you can't collect their Grief Seeds. And then your Soul Gem will get all cloudy, and then where will you be~?
Is killing a nigger always a bad thing?
More than likely if your coming into this thread to answer this question yes,(it is always wrong to kill a nigger) you are probably working under the assumption that all practitioners of niggercraft are benign, misunderstood people.
In the Spirit of Columbus Day the family and I like to watch white power movies and the two new ones we've seen are "Birth of a Nation" and that one movie with Samuel L. Jackson as a really terrible neighbor. Both with out giving anything away had to do with niggers/people who acted on the behalf of jewish forces. Killing, tormenting, and feeding off of others. This was done for the most part supernaturally. So part one of my question is if you and your family were being tormented as these two movies depict would you be justified in killing a nigger in this day and age? What about 2 to 3 hundred years ago?
Second part what if a group of niggers were tormenting, killing members of your family or pets and generally feeding off of the torment and terror they visited upon you using non supernatural means? Again in this day and age or what about 200 years ago?
In short where does the modern sense of morality draw the line, or is their no line because the desire to be politically correct has one negate common sense/self defense because these people gather and nig as a P/C protected race?
FTFY
More than likely if your coming into this thread to answer this question yes,(it is always wrong to kill a witch) you are probably working under the assumption that all practitioners of witchcraft are benign, misunderstood people
No, I'm operating on the assumption that witches don't fucking exist.
"No, I'm operating on the assumption that witches don't fucking exist. "
that's not a proper argument. At least, not to a believer.
Therefore, focusing on the basics of self-defence is IMHO better : the only case you are allowed to kill a witch is when all the conditions for self defence are united(and they are tougher in France than in the USA, for example, someone wants to stab me with a knife, I kill him with a gun, I go to jail).
Besides this, nope.
You know what? I agree with this poster. If a witch is using dark magic on you and killing your family with it, by all means fight back.
Of course, since magic isn't real, such a situation will never actually happen. But if it did it would be justified.
"More than likely if your coming into this thread" YOU'RE !!
If YOU'RE coming into this thread!
Y-O-U-R
They're as different as night and day!
Horror films are not reality, you nimrod!
Also, one witch religion, Wicca, states: An I Harm None, Do what Thou Wilt.
Other witchy paths are usually really careful about curses and don't throw them around willy-nilly.
You just don't like non-repressed, sexually & socially open & free people who don't worship your Demiuge. Shut-Up.
And again...HORROR MOVIES ARE NOT FREAKING REAL!
@ 1603009
Do as you will, but not to cause harm.
Follow that little rule and you can be my neighbour, friend. Er. no conversion attempts though please. Talk about your relationship with Satan, Auril, Morrigan Le Fae, or whoever all you like just so long as you don't try to strongarm me into being their little bitch too and respect my wishes if I ask you to save it for some other occasion.
You sir, are a moron. If actual witches with actual black magic were tormenting you, yes you would have the right to defend yourself. Since that ain't gonna happen, go debate something more relevant, like whether Batman can beat Captain America (note: according to Batman, no).
@Cloning Blues:
like whether Batman can beat Captain America (note: according to Batman, no ).
Yeah, but what does he know?
"you are probably working under the assumption that all practitioners of witchcraft are benign, misunderstood people." - No, I would work under the assumption, that there is no such thing as witchcraft, since - try to grasp that! - there is no such thing as witchcraft.
If there were such a thing as magic, and some malevolent practiconer of magic were tormenting me and killing others,I would do exact the same thing as if some mundane criminal were tormenting me and killing others - try to neutralize him/her with a less violence as possible and calling the cops.
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