(That whole thread is an absolute dumpster fire, but this guy I think is the worst, I apologize for the length of the quote but I wanted to include as many details about the shooting as possible to show just how psychotic this guy really is.)
RE: NEVER FORGET: In 2004, Chai Vang was out hunting when confronted by 8 armed white supremacists who hurled racial slurs at him, assaulted him and blocked him from leaving. It wasn't until one of the men fired a shot at Vang and missed that he put his military training to use and took them all out.
This guy shot four of the hunters multiple times in the back, and the "first shot" allegedly fired by one of the hunters was never recovered. Also, he removed the scope off his rifle before he fired his rifle.
This is why the claim of self defense was thrown out the window. Can you guys do some research before upvoting a literal murderer?
The white supremacists were fleeing to find cover so they could find somewhere from which they could safely return fire. Vang did the right thing and neutralized the threat. And you're actually expecting racist Wisconsin investigators to conduct an impartial investigation.
Yeah, no. When a white man shoots any person of color in the back, he gets off scot free from an all white jury by claiming self defense
Also, literal evidence of premeditation. If he was actually returning fire after being fired upon he wouldn't have had time to take it off.
Edit: oh, and he also had time to take off his orange vest and switch it over to it's camouflage side... and chase people several hundred yards through the woods... and then wait in the underbrush until two more people came out of the cabin on their ATV to tend to the wounded and shoot them in the back... then walk over to them and execute them at point blank range. Clearly self defense /s
6 men who were twice Vang's size surrounded him with guns and ATVs in the middle of the woods, called him a "chink" and "gook" and blocked him from leaving. Vang had every reason to fear for his life and unlike you - I have no sympathy for white people who call Asians "chinks" and "gooks".
But nah, it wasn't premeditated. He was already a good distance away when one of the men fired in his direction. He took cover, removed the scope and got down to business. I'm proud of Vang's actions. He's a hero. The men got what they deserved and their actions contributed to their death.
You're not allowed to kill people because they call you mean names sorry. Just because they were hunting and armed does not change that fact.
Yeah, you're not. You are allowed to kill people who shoot at you though. But let's suppose the men never shot at Vang.
Do I have any sympathy for those racists? Nahhhhh. Fuck em.
I'm pretty confident that Jessica Willers and Lauren Hesebeck were neither men or twice his size.
What's more, there were eight people there, not six. All eight were shot at, four of them in the back, three survived the immediate altercation, and one died in hospital shortly afterward.
It's starting to seem an awful lot like you're making up the details on your own.
Which means he was even more outnumbered than I indicated, which means he had even more reason to fear for his life than I indicated.
You're just salty your white supremacist cousins got fucking owned. Lmao.
6 men, two women, only one of whom was actually armed. Oh, and also they were on their own property and Vang was trespassing. That's like raiding the bar at someone else's family reunion, and pulling out a glock and gunning them down "because you were threatened by how many of them there were" when they told you to fuck off.
spicy words don't justify murder (even if that did happen, which is doubtful), also there is no evidence of them blocking him whatsoever, and the fact that he was able to remove his scope before firing (by his own admission) indicates that he was the one to fire first.
I have no sympathy for people who think that mass murder is the appropriate response to playground insults.
He shot mostly unarmed people in the back after trespassing on their property, and being told to leave. And even if somehow, despite the evidence, we were to assume that he didn't fire first, it still doesn't excuse, at the very least, the killings of Laski, Jessica Willers, and the Crotteaus, who were all shot in the back, at extremely close range, while they were already wounded on the ground as determined by forensic evidence. >I'm proud of Vang's actions.
except when you try to leave, guys twice your size start blocking your way, call you slurs and then shoot at you. THEN you start shooting back in fear for your life.
a bar is not the wilderness, there aren't always clear property lines in the wild. this man was out hunting and stumbled into someone else's property. not the same scenario AT ALL. you're comparing this to dylan roof? a known white supremacist who was posting on far right nazi online forums, who was PLANNING on killing black people because of all the nazi propaganda he was involved with. you think that's the same as a guy who was out hunting, stumbled into someone's private property and then when he proceeds to leave, they block his way, mock him, threaten him and shoot at him.
you're reaching hard to change the narrative. what a slimy piece of shit you are. fuck off moron.
”I'm sorry you're in pain.”
Oh, I got a tad upset at people rejoicing over mass murder. Clearly this makes me the asshole. Take me to jail.
Your white supremacist buddies got owned and it was fucking hilarious. Get over it.
We're rejoicing over an Asian man defending himself against white supremacists. And please refrain from using racial insults on me like your racist buddies did on Vang. Never at any point in this conversation did I call you a 'pedophile' even though being white means you probably are one.
Also, check out this story where a white dude got his face smashed in by a Korean guy after a racist coronavirus prank. Nothing offends white people more than Asians standing up to them. That's why white people are so salty about China. Because China challenges the US-dominated world order unlike Japan or South Korea which are subservient to US interests.
Elon Musk says Chinese economy will surpass US by 2 or 3 times: ‘The foundation of war is economics’
Too hilarious. LMAO
If a white guy just trying to provide for his family was a minority living in an Asian majority country, and 6 Asian men with guns surrounded him, called him a pedophile and a child molestor, tried to intimidate him and make him feel like he was nothing, assaulted him and then blocked him from leaving - then one of the men shot at him after he finally managed to leave - I would feel no sympathy for the Asian guys who were killed.
Well then it's pretty handy that none of that happened.
The shooting started when they told him they were going to report him to the sheriff for trespassing after they saw his hunting tag number and wrote it down. Only one of the people he killed was armed.
Vang was walking away, that's true, but according to the testimony of the victims, they realized that his licence number was written on the back of his jacket, so they wrote it down, but also mocked him and told him that they were going to give the number to the sheriff (this is the way in which he was "threatened" i.e. by being told they were going to call the police on him), and at that point Vang took the scope off his rifle (which was an SKS variant) and started shooting. You see, Vang already had another conviction from trespassing, and also a DV incident on his record (in which his previous rifle was confiscated, which was why he was deer hunting with a shitty SKS) and was generally known for having a volcanic temper, so if he was reported again, he'd be in deep shit.
He shot 4 of them initially at a range of about 40 meters to 100 meters (he was, admittedly a decent shot). This evidence also directly disproves Vang's claim that he was surrounded since he was quite a distance away from even the closest people he shot. Of those 4 only 1 was armed, and one person was able to return fire with a single shot (not the originally armed guy, Vang shot him first, but one of the companions picked up the gun). They weren't able to find the shell casing for this shot, however of the 20 or so shots that he fired, forensics were only able to recover 16 (It turns out it's hard to track down casings in think underbrush even with metal detectors). He then chased another one, also unarmed, for several hundred meters through the woods before gunning him down too. After that point, the wounded, who he had left, were calling for help on their radios, while Vang was switching out his orange vest for the opposite side which was camouflage colored, and then hid in the underbrush.
When the property owner's daughter and friend came down from the cabin on the back of a single ATV, Vang shot them in the back, hitting both of them with one bullet. The daughter fell of the ATV first, at which point Vang fired another shot which hit the friend a second time, knocking him off the ATV. At this point Vang came out from concealment, walked over to the two, and executed them at point blank range. Both were unarmed. After this, he decided to loop back around to the site of his first set of victims, and finding one on the ground who was not dead, executed him too.
Vang then decided to finally make his escape after hearing more vehicles approaching from the cabin, about 10 minutes after he started shooting, and since he had run out of ammunition. Unfortunately for Vang, the initial confronters, had, in fact written down his hunting license number, which was given to the sheriff by one of the survivors.
Vang did tell a completely different story, but it was contradicted multiple times by the forensic evidence. Every time the story of the victims differs from that of Vang, the evidence backs up the victims and not Vang. He told a total of 4 different stories of the events, all un-coerced, all after being informed that he could have a lawyer, and two of them even after being begged by his lawyers to stop talking.
Man, it's almost like white people aren't gonna have each other's backs and there's almost no chance this author might be biased.