Yep. And that's the worst part. Much of the scientific community (at least those who are intellectually honest) know that the current model of evolution is impossible and yet they continue to teach it to our children as fact simply because they have no God-free theory to replace it with.
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"Much of the scientific community (at least those who are intellectually honest ) know that the current model of evolution is impossible.."
"and yet they continue to teach it to our children as fact simply because they have no God-free theory to replace it with."facts .
@Filin De Blanc
I would say it's rather like if he don't understand the basic difference between science , based on facts , and woo , based on ideology or a self-contradicting book .
Where does this idea that scientists know that evolution is impossible, but continue to promote the idea anyway come from? It's not only strange, but shows a complete lack of any sort of understanding of how science actually works.
That's right, YOU, with your deep and broad knowledge of all sciences, know what scientists really believe in their heart of hearts, and those who don't agree with you are simply dishonest.
Not true, because there are other God-free theories, such as the idea that life was seeded from somewhere else. The majority of scientists believe it because it simply fits the facts much better than other theories.
Much of the scientific community (at least those who are intellectually honest) know that the current model of evolution is impossible and yet they continue to teach it to our children as fact simply because they have no God-free theory to replace it with.
What he wrote suggests that evolution does occur, just that (somehow, and with no refuting evidence) our current understanding is completely wrong. Apparently God did design evolution, but it operates in a manner that some of our brightest individuals just cannot fathom. Sure.
Horsefeathers: "Where does this idea that scientists know that evolution is impossible, but continue to promote the idea anyway come from? It's not only strange, but shows a complete lack of any sort of understanding of how science actually works."
Perhaps because deep down they know it's very possible that their religious leaders are doing just that?
farpadokly: "Not true, because there are other God-free theories, such as the idea that life was seeded from somewhere else. The majority of scientists believe it because it simply fits the facts much better than other theories."
You're conflating the origins of life with the evolution of life. Even if the first life on this planet were extraterrestrial in origin, it would still evolve with the changing environmental pressures.
Evolution is the best God-free theory and is supported by fact.
They teach it to children because it's a good thing to know for diverse fields such as biology, medicine, agriculture, and so forth.
It's not a plot against you.
@Zagen30:
"Perhaps because deep down they know it's very possible that their religious leaders are doing just that?"
I think it's more the case that they are so mentally limited that they can't imagine anyone doing otherwise. They themselves are running a propaganda operation and they think everyone else is too because that's the only kind of operation they can conceive of.
Not only is the current model of evolution not impossible, but without it the entire body of biological sciences looses its predictive capabilities and no longer makes any sense.
Zagen30: "You're conflating the origins of life with the evolution of life. Even if the first life on this planet were extraterrestrial in origin, it would still evolve with the changing environmental pressures."
Which is precisely the reason why directed panspermia (the hypothesis in question) is rejected by every credible biological expert who isn't Francis Crick (who is something of a lunatic anyway). Why? Because it's a waste of time. Even with directed panspermia evolution on Earth still happens, and abiogenesis, the theory it claims to replace, is still required. However, instead of abiogenesis happening on Earth, which we at least know exists, it now has to occur even earlier and on a completely different planet we know nothing about. At this point Occam's Razor just comes along and says "Until proven otherwise, it's better to assume abiogenesis happened here."
Science in general is god-free because 'poof-magic!' isn't an explanation.
Evolution happens every day to every species on the planet. That's just a fact. If your personal beliefs are destroyed by facts then perhaps you should re-evaluate your beliefs.
Dave-o, you are the reason I think of all creationists as liars or morons. All of the intellectually honest scientists agree with the current model of evolution as the best explanation for the diversity of life on this planet.
Yep. And that's the worst part. Much of the scientific community (at least those who are intellectually honest) know that the current model of evolution is impossible because apes evolved from Creationists and yet they continue to teach it to our children as fact simply because they have no irrational theory to replace it with.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4782492.stm
I could come up with many God-free theories
The Universe has always been like this.
These "theories" all have equal footing with your religion, you can't disprove them. I could have used any of the many other Gods we've invented on this planet as we know you're only refering to the Biblical one.
Science however has evidence against all of the above and no evidence or reason to add them in.
It's not that science or the Evolution theory seeks to deny God, this is a claim that comes only from fundamentalist religions. There is no reason to address the question of your God or any other Supernatural presence as there's no evidence for them, none.
This is why Behe tried to redefine science, so he could shoehorn in beliefs without evidence, the opposite of scientific dicipline.
I'm afraid that people who buy their qualifications on the internet in order to convince other stupid people that creationism is real are not really part of the scientific community, Dave.
And ending up in jail, like the moronic Mr Hovind, rather detracts from the honesty tag too.
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