It seems to me that this alternative discipline psycho babble is a relatively new phenomenon. For generations parents have spanked their kids and society seemed much safer and much more orderly. I think there is definitely a correlation between lack of physical discipline and a society that degrades itself to a godless society. Remember when the phrase "wait 'til your father gets home" put fear into the hearts of children. It was a respectful fear that should be exuded towards all authority figures. In summary, I believe more kids these days need a good spanking. Maybe we would have less of the Columbines (school shootings) and rebelliousness in the world if more Fathers acted like fathers.
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Yeah, that's it. The beatings will continue until moral improves. I'm sure the best way to get kids to behave is to hit them. It won't make them the least bit rebellious or resentful when they finally get away from home. Nope, not at all.
Yeah!
And life was better when Pixie Stix were a penny each! A PENNY! Damn kids these days don't know the value of nuthin'. Why, in my day we didn't even HAVE Pixie Sticks! All we had was DIRT! But it was CLEAN dirt, HONEST dirt! You put it in a straw and THAT was yer damn Pixie Stick! And we LIKED it that way!
And I'll tell ya, we didn't have none of this Computer Porn Infornet Tubes, neither. And life was BETTER then, I tells ya!
BETTER!
Yea, and the Victorian era was so much more cultured and clean.
Hmm, wait, they didn't take baths and faked most all of the rest... interesting...
"When I Was Your Age"
Let me tell you sonny... let me tell you straight
You kids today ain't never had it tough
Always had everything handed to you on a silver plate
You lazy brats think nothing's good enough
Well, nobody ever drove me to school when it was ninety degrees below
We had to walk buck naked through forty miles of snow
Worked in the coal mines twenty two hours a day for just half a cent
Had to sell me internal organs just to pay the rent
When I was your age. When I was your age
When I was your age. When I was your age
Let me tell you something, you whiny little snot
There's something wrong with all you kids today
You just don't appreciate all the things you've got
We were hungry, broken and miserable and we liked it fine that way
There were seventy three of us living in a cardboard box
All I got for Christmas was a lousy bag of rocks
Every night for dinner, we had a big 'ol chunk of dirt
If we were really good, we didn't get dessert
When I was your age. When I was your age
When I was your age. When I was your age
Didn't have no telephone, didn't have no FAX machine
All we had was a couple cans and a crummy piece of string
Didn't have no swimming pool when I was just a lad
Our neighbor's septic tank was the closest thing we had
Didn't have no dental floss, had to use old rusty nails
Didn't have Nintendo, we just poured salt on snails
Didn't have no water bed, had to sleep on broken glass
Didn't have no lawnmower, we used our teeth to cut the grass
What's the matter now, sonny, you say you don't believe this junk?
You think my story's wearin' kinda thin?
I tell you one thing, I never was such a disrespectful punk
Back in my time, we had a thing called discipline
Dad would whoop us every night till a quarter after twelve
Then he'd get too tired and he'd make us whoop ourselves
Then he'd chop me into pieces and play frisbee with my brain
And let me tell ya, Junior, you never heard me complain
When I was your age. When I was your age
When I was your age. When I was your age
(by Weird Al Yankovic, of course)
I doubt that beating children will make them turn out better. Now, some parents have no idea how to discipline their kids but that that does not give anyone carte blanche to beat children into submission, you retard. It is your job as a parent, to bring up your child well without violence. Trust me, it can be done.
Well,I hope that "orderly" society is not the one in which segregation was the norm, men beat their wives with impunity, two world wars happened, syphillis was much more usual than AIDS today..............jokes aside, Psycho Babble doesn´t exist and the real psychology has shown the effects of severe spanking, among other things because that "godless" society you describe exist more in the anecdotical realm whereas the Slacks, the schoolteacher who killed his student back in the twenties and so on, do. And just for the record, the Columbine kids suffered indeed abuse and were indoctrinated with the weapon worship behaviour of their parents. Moreover, some of the worst killers were abused too as kids. Get better informed before being such a demagoge.
I think spanking has its place, as long as it's not practiced by sadists who mistake sheer bastardry for discipline. Colombie, however, is really, really overestimating the effect a good smack on the bum can have on a badly behaved child. Fuckwit.
Well, we had to live in a SHOEBOX. We'd get up every morning, clean the lake and then eat a lump of dry poisin for breakfast! But we didn'tcomplain--no, we were BETTER for it!
I think the poster is right in that there would be few troubles, including school shootings, if parents acted more like responsible parents. However, violent discipline is unlikely to help raise non-violent children.
I have always acted as a father with my children. However, I have never felt the need to raise my hand in order to teach them discipline.
Discipline does not equal corporal punishment. A child who is disciplined knows why they need to behave a certain way, whether the parent is there or not.
Can you say the same for a child who is beaten?
@Colombie
I believe more kids these days need a good spanking.
Quite the kinky one, aren't we, Mr. Colombie?
Two things happen when kids are spanked as a standard punishment:
The kid will either get more angry and violent or find it as a joke.
If anything, spanking is the lazy way of parenting. Put in the effort when raising your kid, stupid!
I don't see what's fundy about this. You don't have to be a fundy to be child-spanker. Hell. You don't even need to be born-again or saved. I was raised by Catholics* (and Catholic schools)and spanking was just a part of life**. I think you could probably be athiest, or Muslim, or even Unitarian and still spank children.
*You know what fundies think about Catholics.
**I wasn't scarred by this...it didn't really hurt that much, I never turned violent, and as it turns out I don't even have much of a desire to spank my own kid. Seriously, its not such a big deal.
/Remember when the phrase "wait 'til your father gets home" put fear into the hearts of children./
That phrase did put fear into the hearts of me and my brother, but get this, our father NEVER HIT US. Not once. He didn't even spank us. Parents can discipline their children without hitting them. So your rant is utter nonsense.
Statistics, history and reality disagree.
Also, fine morals you teach./sarcasm
"It's OK to hit smaller and younger than you, especially if they don't act the way you want. It's ok to hit weaker, those who cannot defend themselves. It's OK to instill fear into children. It's ok to teach children blind obedience to authority, even if said authority does despicable deeds. It's better that people do things from fear of punishment than fron the goodness of their heart." Look long and hard into these lines and ask yourself: Is this alright? Is that what I trully believe? And is it worth it?
And if the answer to even one of those questions is yes, then you trully are a despicable human being.
So, if parents show children that being violent
is okay,..
then children will grow up believing that being
violent is okay.
Years ago, I was shipped to war.
It was violent.
It was not okay.
"society seemed much safer and much more orderly"
Statistics bear out that world had all the problems we have today. Your fantasy sixties tv heroes were not based on the average or regular people. For one example: Sixties tv didn't report any rapes, incest cases, church abuse, Goverment or athourity abuse or world news. All that shits been happening since the beginning
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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