Wyatt Junker #fundie

Wyatt Junker #fundie libertydwells.com

Humanism sucks. Humans are assholes, by definition. Most of them are lost, lazy, selfish sheep. Humanism has nothing to speak for itself other than what most God-minus societies eventually evolve into as history shows.

But logic is easy enough to see where this all goes. If there is no god, there are no laws. If there are no rules, might makes right. When might makes right, bodies start to pile up like cord wood. Communism, the epitome of a God subtraction society, has the most social lethality of all -isms, so thank a humanist for that.

I've said it before, but people should be thankful for churches, which propagate life hereafter messaging. Take me, for instance. If I didn't believe in life after death, I mean if I really didn't believe it, then, as logic says, if I go to total memory wipe out of the hard drive, a black absence, then in this life I become a rapist and murderer first thing Monday morning. Its that easy. If there is no 'lid' on my behavior, I become the biggest humanist asshole on the planet. King of the Fking Mountain, get out of my way or I'll run over your ass.

Humanists just don't really believe their schtick. Poor souls. They have doubts. They should embrace their beliefs. If they really believed in total God absence, then get on with it already. Show me your faith.

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old comment by dionysus

Humans are assholes, by definition. Most of them are lost, lazy, selfish sheep.

Humans are a mixed bag. We are capable of great kindness and great atrocities, great love and great hate. Ultimately, we are tribal apes that care more about our immediate circle of friends and family and less about people in our larger circles. We fear and distrust those outside of our circle and the more outside the circle, the more we fear and distrust them. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? It's not as simple as "good or bad". Yes, it leads to things like the Holocaust, which is very bad. It also lead to us being revolted by those very Nazis and their weird ideals. Moreover, you can get over your fear of "the other" by being aware of this and consciously giving them at least a chance. So it's not like there's nothing we can do about it. People can become better.

old comment by dionysus

Take me, for instance. If I didn't believe in life after death, I mean if I really didn't believe it, then, as logic says, if I go to total memory wipe out of the hard drive, a black absence, then in this life I become a rapist and murderer first thing Monday morning. Its that easy. If there is no 'lid' on my behavior, I become the biggest humanist asshole on the planet. King of the Fking Mountain, get out of my way or I'll run over your ass.

And then there are just plain evil people like you with no morality who don't even TRY to be better. No, you need to have a cosmic carrot and stick to keep you from hurting other people just for the hell of it. And you think if there's a God who can read your mind he'll reward you for being such a hateful, sadistic prick? Granted, thinking horrendous thoughts is miles better than acting on them but you really, REALLY shouldn't have to constantly suppress the urge to rape and murder other people. And if it takes you talking to the sky and eating crackers at church to keep you from committing a rape and murder frenzy, then have at it. Build a shrine to Jesus in your back yard. More importantly, get psychological help. Because your hatred and violent fantasies toward other people definitely isn't healthy.

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But logic is easy enough to see where this all goes. If there is no god, there are no laws. If there are no rules, might makes right. When might makes right, bodies start to pile up like cord wood.

Tell me, where do these laws you speak of come from? Why, from your God, the Almighty... What give God the right to dictate these laws to everyone? Why, the fact that he is God, the Almighty...

With your God, might most certainly makes right... and the vast numbers of those killed in the name of ANY religion (and sadly for you, the way Communism was done in the 20th Century was a religion with the State as God) utterly dwarfs those killed in the name of Humanism or Atheism... especially since you can be religious AND Atheist, and most certainly especially since Humanism at it's most basic is simply "Do unto others as they would do unto you!"

old comment by Swede

Shiny mirror is shiny, asshole. Just because you're a lost, lazy, selfish, psychopathic sheep, doesn't mean the rest of us are.

Sweden was a mostly socialist (and fairly secular] state for decades, that's when we prospered and formed a society where everyone was appreciated, and we were at the top of lists of education. Then the right-wings took over and formed an elitist society, and we started free-falling, both in economics, employment and education. We are now below average on lists of education.

Humanists are against rape and murder, and might makes right, stupid. "The philosophy or life stance of secular humanism [.] embraces human reason, ethics, social justice and philosophical naturalism, while specifically rejecting religious dogma, supernaturalism, pseudoscience or superstition as the basis of morality and decision making." [Wikipedia]
There is also Christian humanism, ya know. And, there is the academic humanities, as in studying languages, history, literature, philosophy, religion, anthropology and music, etc.

old comment by Skyknight

@Liberal Christian: Of course, there's the problem that by Junker's lights, ALL humans are "psychos on leashes". There was a quote on here one or two weeks ago who said that even the saved in Christ aren't actually internally good; they're just swayed by the Christ. Such ones apparently believe that, for whatever reason, God NEVER WANTED humans to be capable of good by themselves (certainly helps explain why he didn't want Adam and Eve to partake of the Tree of Moral Knowledge; they weren't SUPPOSED to be good, just unthinkingly obedient). So, they convince themselves that if not for God's influence, they too would be bloodthirsty wretches, much like how they view outside animal life (despite the fact that the fierceness is mostly to make as sure as possible that they get to feed, not to fuel sadism). Whether they actually WOULD start looking like disciples of Khorne is a different story altogether.

@Swede: Just to get a sense of how they view things...how do the right-wingers claim that the elitist scenario is actually an improvement? What elements are they focusing on? (I hope they have more to offer than higher GDP, especially if the mode is lower than before.)