"I’ve already explained that, by calling me a troll and then waiting for my reaction to anything you say, you, too, are like trolls. Ironic, isn’t it?"
You came to us. So, if anyone in *this* thread's a troll it's you.
"Are you sure you’re “lovely” on this site? I know you mean you’re only lovely to people who agree with or defend your politics."
There's a few people who post here who have political or religious opinions I disagree with. But they don't act like assholes so I don't usually try to argue with them.
"Oh, I wouldn’t be ashamed if the person I wanted to tell my secret to IRL saw the stuff you guys subversively posted like the little snitches you are. I would be ashamed if the person saw your commentary on it and I had to thoroughly explain why all of it is opinion and none of it is fact."
Snitches? Good grief. But, you know, WHY SHOULD YOU CARE WHAT WE SAY ABOUT YOU IF YOU THINK IT'S ALL BULLSHIT? That's what I was trying to say. Surely anyone who knows you IRL already knows what a homophobe you are.
"Retraction? What? You want me to take down everything I’ve ever said with a political edge? You realize that’s at most 2% of every picture, journal, and status update I’ve ever posted, no?"
No. I just meant that it was clear you are sexist and homophobic and that the only thing that would make me think otherwise is if you demonstrated a change of heart. BTW, this isn't about you having a "political edge". This is about you treating me and others like me with disrespect just because we're who we are.
"Those opposed to people we slangily term “SJWs” are not strictly limited to white, heterosexual, cisgendered, conservative Christian males. On DeviantArt, you will find that people who fave and share my non-SJW work are male and female alike; religious and secular alike; liberal, conservative, and libertarian all alike; Hispanic, Oriental, black, and white all alike; straight, gay, bisexual, and everything in between all alike."
Way to miss my point completely. You keep saying we're SJWs but we're nothing like what you describe ("they see white, heterosexual, cisgendered protestant males as the antichrist who must be eradicated from Earth"). People like you have created a huuuge stawman called "social justice warrior", and you apply this label to anyone who calls you out on your hateful rhetoric. To the extent that all those various people you mentioned are against SJWs, they're either just as dumb as you or they're thinking of real far-left nuts like the kind we mock here at FSTDT.
"Heck, a young LESBIAN follower of mine has an original character named Fran the Feminazi, who lightheartedly lampoons the likes of you."
She's not lampooning the likes of me. You have an idea of me in your head that is very far removed from reality. Pointing out that your dumb meme was kinda sexist is a *far* cry from being the kind of man-hating "feminazi" you seem to see me as. Actually, the worst misandrist radical feminists hate me for being trans, so.... BTW nobody worth taking seriously would actually call someone a feminazi unironically.
"But you would know that if you judged me on more than only what JustAlongForTheRide is willing to share. The difference between an SJW and a non-SJW is that an SJW looks for any excuse to be mad, or to mock, or to ridicule, or to publicly admonish, or whatever the “correct” term is this week until they force that person to apologize for being different, while a non-SJW just doesn’t care what you believe."
What a stupid dichotomy. Nobody can be offended by something without being an SJW? Get off your high horse, rider. You made a homophobic post. You clearly have a problem treating LGBT++ people as equals. If you don't want non-bigotted people to call you out on that bullshit don't use a public forum to post it.
"Fine, you can call my art “lame” and “racist” without a clear explanation, but your opinions are not fact."
I gave a clear explaination. Maybe you need to go back and reread this thread? How about this, you ripped off an already dumb meme in order to ridicule us. Your points of ridicule were dumb (already went into detail about that) and demonstrated both hypocracy and sexism on your part (as I demonstrated). You have not yet countered any of our criticisms of you in any meaningful way.
"If you want to be LGBT++, that’s fine. Knock yourself out. If you want to make characters that are LGBT++, which make up 8.5% of characters in modern American media (in contrast to 4.5% of the real American population—times have changed, and you are now far from marginalized, my friends), I don’t care. There’s usually more to an LGBT++ character than that trait. Who am I to complain?"
If I want to be LGBT++? Fuck you. I *am* a transgender woman. I was born trans and I can't not be trans. It's got nothing to do with what I *want*. Believe me, if I could get some kind of magic potion that would make me a cisgender woman I would take it in a heartbeat. You point one way in which we aren't as marginalized as in the past, but we still haven't got true equality, not by a long shot. To pretend otherwise is willfull ignorance on your part. I doubt your numbers are accurate anyway. Got a source?
"You can whine and complain all you want, but I will never create or be indirectly responsible for the creation of an original character who is a lesbian woman, a gay man, a bisexual person, a pansexual person, or a transgendered person. No one on DeviantArt cares that I don’t do that sort of thing. Neither should you."
Obviously *some* people on DeviantArt care about it. Honest question, why are you so opposed to creating any LGBT++ characters? I actually don't really care if you don't. My problem is with you acting like there's something wrong with us. If God is real, he made me this way.
"If they were to find out I use it one day by accident, I wouldn’t want to add insult to injury and leave them heartbroken if I were to abandon my family values and turn into an active LGBT++ ally in the process. (And here comes the part where you call my family “wrong” like I haven’t heard that one already.)"
Yes. Your family is just as wrong as you. Really, you don't have to change. But I wish you would. Being gay or trans or whatever doesn't hurt you. It isn't wrong. It makes no sense to have such a negative attitude towards us.
"That said, the fact that I like Japanese video games should be more than enough to prove I’m not “racist”—I like them not because of their national origin but because they are mostly good-quality games. Plus, if I’m “racist” against blacks, then why the fragg is James Earl Jones himself the reason I got into voice acting? I’ll answer that for you, Sarah: BECAUSE HE’S AN AMAZINGLY GOOD VOICE ACTOR."
Yeah, I already said I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt there. But, liking Japanese video games or a single black actor are a pretty lame counter argument. I've come across quite a few very blatent racists playing Mario Kart online. I remember a pretty bad cheater in the Wii version with an Asian stereotype mii named CHINAMANZ or something like that. I've seen a lot of miis that are racist characatures of black people (especially back in the Wii days). You do know that you can have racist attitudes without having an absolute hatred of other races, or that you can be racist against one group but not another?
"Oh, and racists don’t draw or write about multiracial original characters that don’t conform to unappetizing stereotypes."
Eh, they might.
"Speaking of names, you know what? I’d have a degree of respect for this site if it didn’t attach names, real or alternate, to original quotes. At least I don’t target any one specific SJW when writing about them"
The difference between us is that we point out specific real examples of dumb and/or hateful nonsense (including stuff you'd label SJW) while you just rail against a ridiculous strawman.
"You, however, single out people you dislike and gang up on them until they apologize for not being like you!"
No. No. We don't want you to apologize. Keep posting dumb hateful stuff. The more you attack us the more absurd you get. It's hilarious.
"The most amusing thing you continue to say is that you think my attitudes somehow cause “harm” to you. To that end, I say: PLEASE STOP ACTING LIKE A VICTIM OF SOMETHING THAT WASN’T EVEN ABOUT YOU!!!!!!"
But your attitudes do cause me harm. Maybe not directly, but when you act like like gay people are doing something wrong, you contribute to an environment that is oppressive. Don't pretend LGBT++ people aren't being actively oppressed in many places here in the US. Conservatives had to be forced to let gays and lesbians get married. People are fighting for the right to deny us goods and services in name of "religious freedom". In particular, conservative Christians are trying to create legal definitions of gender aimed at preventing trans people like me from taking part in public life without pretending to be something we're not. So, don't tell me I'm not being harmed.
"And you accuse me of having a thin skin. SJWs don’t fight for equality. They beg for sympathy and demand the world be “woke.”"
That's just a lazy stereotype.
"That does not earn others’ respect. I know because begging for sympathy repelled people from me when I was having suicidal thoughts in the fall of 2014."
You may think I'm being insincere but I want to say that I'm glad you didn't kill yourself, and that I think it sucks that people treated you that way. For what it's worth, I hope you never have to go through that sort of pain ever again.
"Really? “F*** you?” That’s the best closer you’ve got? That’s the most unimaginative closer in the world. People who close with that aren’t worth my time."
Yes. Fuck you. Not imaginitive but a sincere reaction to the way you trivialized the very real problems faced by people who you deride as "social justice warriors". But my closer was actually the line about eating trolls. That's a little more creative, yes? Hmmm, that's a pretty long response for someone who's not worth your time... (oh yeah, "f***" and "fuck" mean the same thing; it doesn't magically become more or less offensive if you see the whole word. We're all adults here so there's no point in hiding anything).
"If you think I’m that harmful, then just ban or IP-block me already. It’s happened to me twice before, albeit not because of anything that has to do with your community."
I don't have anything to do with running this site. But I hope you don't get banned. I like getting into arguments with people like you. It's fun. Hey, if you think we're too biased why not find some SJW quotes to submit? Like I said, we like to mock far-left idiots here too.
"I wish you a long, happy life, a successful career, and a healthy and trusting relationship when you find your special someone."
Thanks. Same to you. I gotta say I'm pretty far away from the last two. But I'm working on it...
I wasn't joking when I said I thought you're probably a decent guy IRL. If you think we're being too mean, I don't know what you expected after posting such a stupid childish meme in order to mock us. Seriously, that meme was stupid. And I think you know that.
"You can drag my name all over the place.
You can tell everyone I’m a down disgrace.
I don’t care anymore."
Good. You shouldn't care. Although I do hope that one day you realize that there's nothing wrong with accepting LGBT++ people without judgement. I hope you stop being resistant to the idea of normalizing LGBT++ people by including us in your works.