Account Suspended #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Okay I have some more important facts here to prove atheists wrong:
Dark Matter and Dark energy are impossible to detect and scientists believe in it so science believes something it can't prove.
Science is extremely dogmatic.
And that they're evil:
Stalin was an atheist.
Most all atheists support baby killing.
Atheists are never moral because they do not believe in God
Thank you and God Bless. Please put your faith in God not science.

Voegelin #fundie christianforums.com

Why let the Feds have the money? We should privitize the system. Bring back indentured servitude. Have a national lottery. For a buck everyone gets a chance at a servant for 7 years. Or dole them out on the basis of need. Low income workers who need child care and the elderly who need caregivers get first preference.

WarGamer #fundie rr-bb.com

*abortion*

These people are obsessed with death and sin. I remember during the Terry Schiavo story alot of democrats were drooling over the prospect of snuffing that poor woman's life. This kind of behavior isn't exactly new to them.

Jarl Hyperborea #conspiracy totalfascism.com

I would like to say that there is a global pedophile ring. That much is true, but the perpetrators are Israeli Jews and their shills in the US and Europe, not Satanists. Just as with drugs, at the highest levels human trafficking is dominated by Mossad and CIA groups. They are also big on organ trafficking, and every once in a while you will see some Jew in Israel being tried for selling organs harvested from Palestinian kids to rabbis.

AngryNotice #fundie christianforums.com

christianity has a monopoly on marriage, it was created in the name of Christ. its not right that we see other cultures and religious denominations(including homosexuals) feel that they can control what happens with our birthright. satans claws go deep into our society

phillyade88 #fundie answers.yahoo.com

I think it [evolution] still must be questioned...judging on the fact they found 18K Gold Chariot Wheels in the red sea that are carbon dated to the same time Moses parted it.

And judging on the fact they found a piece of an ark that carbon dates back to Noahs time.

Science has NEVER PROVEN "darwins theory of evolution"....but general evolution...sure. We all evolve...right now I am evolving because time never freezes. Nice try atheist.

Abigail #fundie theologyweb.com

[Re: whether homologous organs can be used as evidence of either evolution or ID, 'Why wouldn't he have designed eyes for his favorite species, as good as eagle's or squid's eyes?']

So you could understand the parallel when He says in a spiritual sense, blind man you are in danger of falling in the pit

The "Arson, Murder And Jaywalking" Award

KCJ #fundie moonbattery.com

In the last 15 years, I'd bet that not one single person has been kicked out for "Being Gay", except those that have gone straight to the command and demanded to be kicked out (for other reasons, or as an activist statement to get attention). We've had people with "Gay Pride" stickers on their cars and the Command looked the other way. In my last year in the Army, we had a soldier in our unit, that painted his fingernails, talked with a serious lisp, pranced around and openly talked about how much dick he sucked. Seriously. Everyone was too scared to say shit to the Command for fear of being punished. The Command knew he was openly gay and did nothing. This kid is a walking bag of HIV. This kid is not simply "Gay" (which no one would really care about), this kid is a Fag. He's every bit of someone you would not dare depend on to save your life. If I were still in, I'd seriously consider becoming a conscientious objector, and getting out. Let the "Gays" have the military. Let it collapse. The screaming, crying 2% of society have gotten their way. Don't think for one f*ing second it's going to stop here. Within one year, you'll hear the gays scream to get married in the military, draw housing pay for their gay "Partners", get tuition payments for their partners, medical treatment, yada-yada-ya. Within the next two years, you'll be hearing about trans-gender soldiers that need a sex change at Walter Reed and men wearing womens uniforms and women wearing mens.

UGAfan #racist topix.com

I'm just curious of why I'm considered a racist for standing up for my rights? First off I don't hate any race. I just think it's by god time to stand up for my own...
White people have been looked down upon long enough.
If we get the better job, it's discrimination, if we fly our rebel flags we are racist, if we tell a joke about a blk we are still considered racist oh and don't forget about our Dixie Outfitters shirt. The list goes on and on. Guess what it's time for us to start b***hing and put a stop to it all.
We are all equal and should be treated that way... Why is it ok for some to have rights and ours taken away??? This goes for our religion, our schools our COUNTRY....
So with this I ask WHERE ARE OUR RIGHTS????

Travis Stephens #fundie christiannews.net

The problem with evolution is it pulls a crackpot theory out of thin air and tries to glue it in to mankind's history. And the reason it does this is to attempt to deceive the masses and as mentioned lead them quite happily into hell.There is plenty of proof as to why evolution does not work but I cannot do all the legwork for you. You must do it.. satan hates God's creation he hates us, the reason he wants to deceive us is because he hates what we represent. We are created in God's image. The enemy's pride and rebellion got him cast out of heaven and ever since God created mankind the enemy has been deceiving and lying and attempting to destroy us. The flood did happen there is evidence but of course this is being covered up as well. The reason why our government is covering things up is because they do not want the world to know the truth. They are puppets of the enemy and this is all a part of a bigger picture which will lead up to the return of Christ and the tribulation. This isn't just some story in a book. This is the reality in which you and I live. You can choose to accept it with faith and accept and follow Christ or you can close your ears to it and walk away but the message is here. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life - John 3:16. Do I want many more to come to repentance? Of course I do! It's my job as a Christian to tell others about the hope that I have in Jesus. It is my sincerest hope and prayer that I may reach the lost and hurting. I may be bashed and mocked and ridiculed for my witness but that just means im doing my job. Im not here to make friends I am here to win souls.

God Bless You all

ukchristian28 #fundie youtube.com

When he preached at my church Christian apologist John Blanchard pointed out that a consistent atheist would watch the world trade centre towers fall on September 11th 2001, knowing that thousands of lives had end and switch off the TV, yawn and say "what's for tea? In a random, godless universe what one animal does to another animal is neither here nor there. To care about such an event, the atheist has to borrow the Christian's worldview.

Jumbofatcakes #fundie imdb.com

If the earth moved at all out of it's orbit it would explode (or something like that). That right there is incredible proof that this world did not come by CHANCE. Come on, you have to agree. What are the odds of the earth just popping into the PERFECT spot in the ENTIRE UNIVERSE?(that's a lot of space to pop up in) I think its because God did it, but if you want to go on thinking that the earth's position is random than I feel very sorry for you.

khazul #fundie #homophobia bbs.payableondeath.com

There is no such thing as Christian Homophobia. Yes homosexual lifestyles can tear a family apart, especially if some members disagree with it and don't voice there opinions in Godly love. It is more likely in Christian house holds as we as Christians are not to support sin. Yes some people on this forum have shown hate for homosexuals; it doesn't mean it's a uniform Christian belief. I've seen more non-Christian "Homophobics" than Christian.

Sambo83 #homophobia blizzforums.com

I agree that just like any demographic, there are good and bad homos. However, no one would argue that a retard should be able to adopt a child. The same logic applies. The only reason homosexuals want to adopt children is to use it as an issue; it isn't that they really care about the children. Once homosexuals adopting becomes an accepted practice, they will argue "since we can adopt like a married couple, why can't we get married?" That's the REAL issue.

Lady Checkmate #fundie #homophobia disqus.com

Lady Checkmate's headline: "UPDATE: HIV Positive, Homosexual former teacher's aide gets 105 years on child porn charges"

(NOTE: The cut-and-pasted Fox News article Lady Checkmate took this from indicates nowhere that the subject was homosexual, nor can this information be found elsewhere. Fox News link here: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/27/former-teachers-aide-gets-105-years-on-child-porn-charges.html

Lady Checkmate:
Prayers.

Stephen Green #fundie #homophobia christianvoice.org.uk

Uganda is not ‘persecuting’ ‘people of differing beliefs or sexual orientation.’

Uganda is seeking to prevent well-funded Western homosexuals from corrupting their youth and their society.

Make no mistake, there would be no pro-sodomy movement in Uganda or anywhere in Africa were it not funded from America and Europe.

[slightly further down the comments]

Let’s just get one thing clear. The only homosexual killed recently in Uganda was activist David Kato. So was he put to death by the state? No. Was he perchance assassinated by a homophobic mob? No. He was murdered by his rent-boy lover in a row about fees for sexual services.

So if you are a political leader who wants to save ‘gay people’s lives’, the best thing you can do is crack down on acts of sodomy and all the gay subculture, whilst encouraging the Church to preach Jesus Christ and the saving and healing power of his precious blood. And that power is available to you, too, Chris.

Forgiven_and_Redeemed #fundie #homophobia christianforums.com

I understand, but then again if your friend wasn't a homosexual, that would never have happened. I appreciate how homosexuals may get a little bit bothered by a miniscule minority of 'Christians' (whose hearts are probably in the right place!) but that doesn't mean the rest of us should back off and let gays get married/ have civil unions/ domestic partnerships.

Katy-Anne #fundie endgathering.com

Vashti was being disobedient to her husband. He wanted her to come and join in the feast, but she said no and made him look bad in front of all the people. They weren't having a drunken orgy, and we know that because the Bible says they were drinking according to the law, which means that any wine was not alcoholic.

Andy 11-11 #fundie answerbag.com

Atheist: do you not give birth after your own kind?

Long before satan fed you evolution God said: "Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to it's kind" (Genesis 1:24)

Dogs do not give birth to roaches.
man do not give birth to monkeys.
shameless liars are we not reproducing after our own kind.

Azayah #fundie forums.military.com

what evedince is there that there is not a Creater?
there is more evedince to support a creater then not. And if there was no god then there is no hope in a evil world. think about it. is it ok to take a baby and tear it appart in front of its mother? there is to much evil to say there is no God and no satan becasue there is more evidence that there is
than not. And why is that only humans no evil and we can sit and think about hurting some one? and why do we have guilt about the things we do. could it be that the bible is true?

Brian #fundie blog.wired.com

Yes, God forbid alternatives are taught. So much for "tolerance."

I love how Darwinists want to ban all mention of alternate ideas, while ID people are perfectly fine with evolution being taught. Funny who ends up being open-minded.

Pastor Larry #fundie baptistboard.com

Apparently the down stream fish evolved into a new breed of fish. This demonstrates the weakness of which hypothesis?

So a fish "evolved" into a fish? That's not the claim of Darwinism (a term widely recognized in the scientific community as a valid description of evolution), and it's not the way that "evolve" is typically used. "Evolve" has a much more loaded meaning.

The Bible is fully consistent with fish "evolving" into other kinds of fish. However, Darwinism teaches that fish evolved into other kinds of animals, something completely unproved by science.

Francis Frangipane #fundie preachitteachit.org

1. When a Christian is under an assault of witchcraft and curses, he becomes increasingly disoriented or confused; he might even become clumsy. Satan wants to cloud his vision, thus stopping him from reaching his destiny in God. Thus, the individual under attack cannot connect with his spiritual vision; his motivation is either gone or lacking.

2. When one is targeted by curses, he will feel emotionally drained or debilitated. Those who have been the object of spiritual curses will carry a darkness, a cloud, in their countenance. The back of their neck is tight; a band of oppression around their head manifests as a headache. The person might assume he is sick, but it is not the flu. It is witchcraft.

3. Often, the curses released from witchcraft will arouse a number of inordinate fears which will plague the mind. The theater of the individual's imagination will be targeted: At center stage, grotesque images will flash. The individual will be further drained by lack of deep or restful sleep.

4. When curses are aimed at a congregation, inter-church relationships will experience constant problems, distracting the body of Christ from its primary focus and calling. Irritation levels will be high; patience will be low.

People will be more likely to complain about one another. Gossip and backbiting will increase proportionately. Rebellion against church leaders will seem justified and the temptation to withdraw from fellowship will be strong.

NEETAndTidy #fundie incels.is

Not even a fancy car can get me matches.

I did an experiment recently where I changed my profile picture to me driving a 2017 Corvette (family members car) talked on my profile about it lightly dropping hints I might be kinda rich

STILL NOTHING

Not even a sports car can fix being a manlet.

dad #fundie christianforums.com

Can a teacher refuse to teach lies and ungodly things? Can a child bring a bible to school? Can parents not allow their brainwashed daughter to not kill her child? Can one preach what the bible says on marriage publicly, and take measure to keep the gleefully perverted from their ranks?

The believers are forced more and more into hiding and secrecy like the catacombs of Rome. I would be surprised if the next several years were not marked by growing real persecution, evil oppressive laws, open blasphemy, and such inevitable results of advanced decay. Good news for believers!!! Very good news. People get ready, there's a train a comin.....and to hell with the US and it's leadership.

Valdemar #fundie iidb.org

Atheists, the scenario is you have a week to live.

What is keeping you from engaging in your baser instincts: Raping, pillaging, stealing and all those sorts of things? What's stopping you? I mean, you can get away with anything you want, so why not?

This is a different from asking you this if you had thirty years to live, I think. You don't have the risk of spending thirty years in prison for murder. A life sentence might only be a couple of days! Besides, it'll never have enough time to go to trial.

James Powers #fundie youtube.com

Sorry atheist fool, but I'm a 58 year old retired doctor that's studied these topics for almost 50 years. That means my education dwarfs yours. My facts can't be debunked: Existence of God? Creation? The best example of God’s existence is his best creation: The human being. Mankind is BY FAR the most intelligent, resourceful and powerful entity in the universe, and we don't have a clue as to how to design/create the high-complexity/high function as that found in the human being, and create it from NOTHING. So whoever did design/create the human being, has intelligence, resources and power FAR BEYOND that of mankind. Only a brilliant divine God could design/create the high-complexity/high function found in the ready-to-reproduce human being, which has all the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in symmetry and order that only a DIVINE MIND could produce. And we certainly didn’t come from the non-existent MINDLESS UNGUIDED processes of atheism (big bang, abiogenesis, evolution) that CAN’T
EVEN THINK. Also, the lies of atheism (big bang, abiogenesis, evolution) have no LIFE, INTELLIGENCE or MORALITY to give, so it’s IMPOSSIBLE that the lies of atheism (big bang, abiogenesis, evolution) are the source for LIFE, INTELLIGENCE & MORALITY. The ONLY OPTION of the source of life, intelligence and morality, is from our living, intelligent moral God. It’s not even a conversation. Atheism = shallow thinking rebellious stupidity.

NEVER has there been a KIND of animal that has produced a new anatomical feature or function to begin a new KIND of animal (evolution). "Dogs" remain "dogs" no matter how far back you go. Same with bacteria. Richard Lenski of Michigan has been breeding ecoli strains for thirty years now, he and his lab, have generated 66,000 generations of ecoli and none have changed to anything but ecoli. No lab on the planet earth has observed one bacterium, one insect or animal morphing into anything else. And not even beginning to, w/ no anatomical change whatsoever. Atheism and it's religion of evolution is easily debunked... obviously.?

The Creation Museum #fundie creationmuseum.org

Why are there so many dragon legends from cultures around the globe? Why do descriptions of these magnificent animals often sound similar to what we call dinosaurs? How could our ancestors carve, paint, or write about these creatures if they have truly been extinct for millions of years?

Evolutionists struggle to explain the intriguing evidence that people lived at the same time as dinosaurs. God's Word indicates that dinosaurs and man were created on the same day, so biblical creationists are not surprised to uncover clues that ancient man had indeed seen these beasts.

Were dinosaurs dragons? Find out at the Creation Museum's new Dragon Legends exhibit, and prepare to believe.

unred typo #fundie christianforums.net

When they come up with one with more ego appeal and less holes in it, you’ll see the ToE dropped like a hot rock from Hades. My prediction is probably it will be that an ‘alien’ from another galaxy will come and take credit for dropping the first couple here 6,000 years ago, explain the Bible was written by his inspiration, and that he is not only the OT God but the long awaited Messiah. He will have unlocked the secrets of miracles and perform wonders before an adoring crowd of true believers. Jesus will probably be proclaimed an imposter and the Antichrist will take his place.

Greg Carr #fundie #homophobia groups.google.com

No believer in Yu’shua or who claims to follow the Bible can be a homosexual or a supporter of them. The Cdn govt should change the laws of this country so that homosexuality and incest and rape and bestiality are death penalty crimes and that warlocks and witches are put to death.

makeshift alpha male #sexist makeshiftalpha.com

In this day and age the institution of marriage is looking more and more like a mugs game. I thought I would do a quick post outlining a couple of reason to avoid it like the plague.

1. You will become less attracted to each other

Generally we value what we work to get, a lot of game theory is based around the point of ‘playing hard to get’ so that the other person value you more. Getting married kills this dead, “okay you got me I’m yours forever.—”

2. Less sex

The longer a relationship the less often a couple will have sex, when first couples get together the initial passion means they are in and out the sack constantly, however as time goes on it become a mundane routine which become less and less regular.

3. Massive hand over of power to the women

Feminisms has changed marriage massively and made it considerable easier to gain a divorce. After which the women would standardly be given custody of the children, along with half your money and a child support each month.

Often women will be financially motivated to leave you, say you have more money than the women in the marriage however he is not spending it in the manner which she like. Then she has the option of leaving you taking half and also taking an ongoing child support.

4. After marriage women tend to put on weight

After marriage women tend to let themselves go. Hey they have caught you why should they bother looking after themselves?

5. Being a Husband is no longer a respectable role

Being a husband or a father is no longer a respected role model, now the fathers are stupid chumps that the intelligent respectful wife needs to put up with.

6. Marriage provides no security

Marriage provide you no security. Financially, emotionally or legally. They are tons of laws that support women in every way women can beat you up with impunity, and you can even get sued you for not sleeping with them. Even now they are putting forward law that mane using Logic against women can be a classed as abuse. These examples are the extreme but thanks to the Gender Empathy Gap, men and women both naturally are inclined to side with women and in law this has manifested itself in some terrible ways.

7. Women no longer required to look after the home

In the past gender roles were more defined, men were expected to be the bread winner and women were expected to look after the home and children. Now the expectation for women to look after the home is gone, it is sexist to expect this of a woman, however a women attraction to a man is based on his competence and ability to provide (even late 30 feminists want a guy who earn as much or more than her in order to be attracted to them). So guys are still expected to be the primary bread winner and women no longer have no obligation to provide housekeeping services in exchange.

caamib #sexist #psycho fstdt.com

(In regards to comments on a quote of his where he proclaims himself a “limited political pedophile”)

first anon-

"Yeah I have a question. Can we put you in prison before you hurt someone."

No. I am not committing a crime by saying this. I am merely explaining a political view.

Kanna - "Some females at some time ignored you, therefore all females at all times should be penalized"

What the fuck are you rambling about? I don't care about women who ignored me at all, they didn't do any damage to me at all. The ones who didn't ignore me were the ones who could hurt me. I also never say that all should be penalized, I specifically state which ones should.

Kadorloon - " what makes you think outright admitting you'd have sex with a toddler is in any way, shape or form a good idea? "

The same thing that makes anybody state our their political ideas.

"Oh, right, brain damage. "

Hahahah, here we go again. The same cretin who wants citations about everything is making a completely unverifiable claim again, after I warned him many times about it. Still claiming I am living in a mental hospital while never taking me up on my offer to talk on Skype at 3 AM? Only an American can be this dumb and have this little self-awareness.

"EDIT: and, no, no one else in the world cares what made-up distinctions
you make to pretend a toddler from America "deserves it" "

No one else? Made up distinctions? Tell it to tens of thousands of men who have already left America and other feminist countries to find wives in non-feminist places in the world. Tell them how rape worshipping scum like modern Western women are no different than sane non-feminist ones. You imbecile !

"more than a toddler from some Middle Eastern sharia hellhole that you hold as the epitome of morality because they'd just straight-up kill her."

What ?!

A toddler from a non-feminist country doesn't deserve it at all, and nobody would kill such a toddler, but the ones who would rape such a female toddler. It would be a horrific crime, while it would be honorable act in America, as American women are scum. So are Western men, as evidenced by you. The fuck did you get the idea that somebody would just kill a raped toddler in the Middle East? Or that Middle East is the only non-feminist region of the world? Or that Middle East is a shithole, while some of the wealthiest countries in the world are situated there? You're a cretin, Kadorloon.

"Not only are you disgusting but you just contradicted yourself."

I am not. I explicitly say IT IS NOT ABOUT ATTRACTION and am even expressing doubts about my ability to get a hard on somebody that young. It's a political matter, limited political pedophilia.

Josh Bernstein #conspiracy #psycho #wingnut rightwingwatch.org

In response to special counsel Robert Mueller’s remarks on the findings of his investigation, right-wing commentator Josh Bernstein said that he hopes President Trump is sharpening up the guillotines to be used to put Mueller and other “deep state” actors to death for committing treason.

In the video posted Wednesday, Bernstein fumed that Mueller is “a slimy, sleazy, dirty, scummy cop” who had probably been paid by the Democrats to deliver his statement to give them justification for impeaching Trump.

“How much were you paid to do that press conference?” Bernstein asked. “William Barr, you need to investigate this press conference and the origins of it and who ordered it and who made it and if there was any type of payment given.”

“Dirtbags, all of you,” he fumed. “All of you are just disgusting, despicable excuses for human beings and, honestly, I hope you all go down. Treason. President Trump said treason. Guess what? I agree with that. Liz Cheney said treason and a coup. Absolutely. You know what they do for treason? U.S. Code 18 § 2381. They put you to death, that’s what they do.”

“Let’s sharpen up them guillotines, let’s bring out Old Sparky, let’s make sure that those lethal concoctions are ready to go, because you people deserve it,” Bernstein said.

xFamily #fundie #homophobia xfamily.org

The "Loving Jesus revelation" calls on Family members to do three things:

1. They are to visualise their sexual activity as happening with Jesus.

2. They are called on to masturbate to Jesus.

3. They are told to say "love words," or talk dirty, to Jesus as they are having sex.
Karen Zerby has published a list of sexually explicit expressions that her followers could use during sex with Jesus.
In order to avoid a homosexual relationship with Jesus (male homosexuality is an excommunicable offense within the cult), men are instructed to visualise themselves as women "in the spirit" during these activities.

Michael Savage #fundie #homophobia mediamatters.org

And I want to tell you something, and I'm going to say it to you loud and clear. The radical homosexual agenda will not stop until religion is outlawed in this country. Make no mistake about it. They're all not nice decorators. You better get it through your head before it's too late. They threaten your very survival. They went after the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is now caving into the homosexual mafia. They will not stop until they force their agenda down your throats. Gay marriage is just the tip of the iceberg. They want full and total subjugation of this society to their agenda. Now, if you want that and if you don't think it's a threat -- believe me, that is what's going to occur in this country.

RejectedDreams #homophobia comments.deviantart.com

No scientific study has positively discovered and isolated the so-called "gay gene". But even if a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality were found, the choice to act on those urges would still reside with the individual. That's why rapists and pedophiles are not relieved of responsibility for their actions merely because they, along with all humans, are genetically determined to be sexual creatures, whether heterosexual or homosexual.

Arcy #fundie #homophobia freerepublic.com

[About a play depicting Jesus as gay.]

This play and the people who support represent in seed-form the reasons why al-queada and other muslim-extremists want to attack America!
The culture of the middle east is VERY conservative. Unfortunately, America - as viewed through middle eastern eyes - is a country of people who live unbridled lives of adultery, accept overt sexual promiscuity in their media and accept extreme immoral behavior such as homosexuality. Can you imagine homosexual weddings in ANY middle eastern country? Hell no!

This is why they hate us. They see us as a threat to their own culture. They see us exporting our immoral lifestyles and influencing their younger generations. They recognize it for the poison that it is.

Unfortunately, our Republican and Conservative leaders have failed miserably at explaining how liberal ideologies have caused and even invited the hatred of America by those in the middle east and that liberal thought and behavior endanger our very existence!

Republicans and Conservatives could gain support from millions of Muslims in this country by joining forces to combat the promotion of immorality, which is fostered in our nation's schools and taught in all too many liberal universities. Combating liberals could literally save our country from Islamic radicals who want to destroy us because of the ideologies promoted by liberal democrats.

magurney #fundie reddit.com

[on the abolisment of the gay panic defense]

As an example, I can show you how I will be downvoted for saying that the gay panic defense is perfectly valid reason to reduce a murder charge.

If a gay man came on to me heavily and I was drunk, I would probably lash out at him.

See, gay panic.

2012Kathleen #fundie nursetogether.com

[In response to an article by an atheist nurse in the military]

You shouldn't be in this field. Go to any other field where you are not caring for humans. Especially since you are purportedly in the United States military, defending a nation under God.

CelticRose #fundie wrongplanet.net

I'm totally against Santa Claus.

1. I believe that all magic is evil and Santa uses magic.
2. How can it be good for parents to lie to their children about the existence of Santa?
3. He's a tool for parents to bribe/threaten their children into good behavior.
4. He's a powerful symbol of consumerism (the modern Santa was originally an advertising campaign for Coca-Cola).

I don't mind the pagan origins of some Christmas traditions since they have been changed into something good.

Fat Man #fundie forum.myspace.com

k ill be cool b4 i yell at u
1. i am pro life
2. yes i am republican

now 4 da yelling
K SO IF OVER 2000 PEOPLE ARE KILLED IN 9-11 ARE WE SAPOSED TO JUST LET THAT GO!!!!!! THE ANSWER IS NO!! WE WENT 2 WAR BECAUSE WE WERE ATAKED 1ST! I DONT UNDER STAND Y LIBERALS DONT GET THAT!!! IT WASNT FOR OIL!! OR ANYTHING ELSE
AND DO U KNOW HOW ASHAMED OF YOUR SELF U SHOULD BE? THOSE MEN AND WOMEN THAT WENT OUT TO WAR KNEW WHAT THEY FACED AND THEY HAD THE BALLS TO GO OUT THERE AND FIGHT FOR FREEDOM. OBVIOUSLY YOU DONT! SO UNTILL YOU CAN FIGHT 4 THE COUNTRY YOU LOVE I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST KEEP YOUR MOTH SHUT!!!!