melbourne_guy #fundie forums.catholic.com

In san fransisco theres a protestant church thats especially for gays. I saw it on a reality t.v show called 30 days , and a straight protestant was debating with the gay pastor. The straight guy was firing bible veres at her ,and her only defence was "jesus loves every body". The defence was pretty sad.

Glory in Print #fundie #homophobia rr-bb.com

[Re: Help with a Bisexual Friend]

When ever I have debated homosexuals I just plain ask them is being gay natural, or unnatural?....They always say its natural then I say why cant two homosexuals have children together? Then I tell them because its not natural, then I tell them look at a man and a woman they can have children together because its natural...They usually don't want to argue anymore after I bring up those examples.

massdak #fundie #homophobia baptistboard.com

those who think they are defending poor homosexuals from mean ole Christians are condoning and affirming and accepting it as a good lifestyle or worst. if you have that position you may want to ask the moderator if you should even be posting here. you do not do any homosexual any favor by placing their exceedingly sinful lifestyle as any less then the abomination it is.

Relic #homophobia #quack christianforums.net

[Relic thinks he's found the cure for homosexuality]

Everyone knows the Physical can be treated by doctors that aren't type who are nothing but butchers or money hungry vultures. Nothing like a good dose of testosterone when it is lacking or, in the case of women estrogen. If it is not physical, it is a mental condition. Both can be treated properly, And, Christ Jeus teaches the healing and overcoming of any malady. Even to those who are physically disabled in other ways.

If a person is depressed do we advocate for them to stay in the depressed state of being? NO. So then, why do you advocate for the person who has a chemical imbalance to stay in the homosexual state of being if what is out of balance in their bodies are their testosterone or estrogen levels?

[RWC] Garland [[VC]] #fundie forum.myspace.com

[Divorcing an abusive husband]

2. if you tuely loved the person, wouldnt you want them to get help before you just end the marrige? true, i know there are some objections, but honestly, i know if my daughter (yes, i am a father) married someone that hit her, i know it would be hard for me, but if she truely loved him, it would make her happier to have him get help than to just end the marrige and the last thought of him was an abusive guy.

wellwisher #fundie sciforums.com

Abortion is more popular among atheists because people don't have the time and don't wish to miss the games of life. The religious don't see this as a sacrifice of their personal gratification, because there is plenty of time for that in paradise. They don't have the same philosophical cancer called death.

Gary Bryson #homophobia #fundie christianpost.com

I cannot imagine anything worse than learning that your child is homosexual. I would MUCH prefer they had never been born than that they should turn out to be that. I understand why parents are ashamed. Anyone with any morality or decency would be. And what makes it worse is that there is no hope. Christian parents want their children to be in Heaven with them, and homosexuality makes that impossible. What an enormous tragedy for any family.

Mystic7 #fundie dreamviews.com

Atheists have to have the biggest imagination of all to avoid their own foolishness. Albert Einstein was not an athiest. He was more a mathematician. He didn't have time to preach atheism he was too busy seeking and making practical use of his knowledge.

this quote shows where his dedication is and it's not atheism
"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

Now to that absure website you linked too. Abraham Lincoln is not an athiest either, just because he doesn't like christian dogma of the bible doesn't mean he was atheist.

"Faith is the commitment of one's consciousness to beliefs for which one has no sensory evidence or rational proof. A mystic is a man who treats his feelings as tools of cognition. Faith is the equation of feeling with knowledge. "


Benjamin Franklin was not atheist either.

Marilyn Manson is not athiest. Neither is he a decent person anyway.

The rest of your list is rather redundant. Sorry but no-one is more useless than an athiest. Just looking back on history you can see that.

georgicompany #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Atheist does not exist !
Since you decide and choose believing in "Nothing" (maybe because you are a Theologic expert...and this knowledge let you you compare religions : which one good,which others bad...)than ,what you call atheist...Means That You Do Believe in Something...That God exists......You cannot get rid of "something" if it does not exist!!
Got it ? Sorry!

xceptionalguysd #fundie sherdog.net

Everything points to a creator. The differences between a man and a woman point to a Creator. The fact that you are an atheist proves God exists. For without God there would be no atheists. You can thank God that He is real so that you have something to rant and gripe about.

concernedamerican #fundie christianforums.com

I have a real problem when parents lie to their children, about the fat man in a red suit who goes down chimneys. If, “He knows when you are sleeping. He knows when you’re awake. He knows when you’ve been bad or good...” Wouldn’t that make him all-knowing and omnipresent? If he can get presents to every house in the world in one night wouldn’t that have to make him all-powerful also? Isn’t God the only one who really has those attributes? The first of Ten Commandments, which God wrote with His own finger, says, “Thou shalt have no other gods before me” (Exodus 20:3). Shouldn’t the focus of Christmas be on Christ, not Santa? Besides why would you want some fat man to get the credit for your hard work anyway? And finally, if parents lie to their kids about Santa, and then later tell them that an all-knowing, all-powerful God loved them so much that He sent His son Jesus to earth to die for their sins, how are they suppose to believe it? Why should they believe any thing their parents say after that?

TED #wingnut #racist #fundie #homophobia moonbattery.com

Difference Between Liberals and Conservatives

If a Conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one. If a Liberal doesn't like guns, they believe no one should have one.

If a Conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy. A Liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

If a Conservative is homosexual, he quietly enjoys life. If a Liberal is homosexual, they loudly demand legislated respect.

If a Conservative is a minority , he sees himself as independently successful. Their Liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

If a Conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A Liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a Conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church. A Liberal wants all churches to be silenced.

If a Conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A Liberal demands that his neighbors pay for his.

If a Conservative disagrees with a Liberal president, he is called a racist. When a Liberal disagrees with a Conservative president, it's patriotic dissent.

Richard C Klueg #fundie #homophobia christianitytoday.com

I think the point of this caricature, Elegance, is that any attempt to repeat what the Scripture says about the sinfulness of homosexuality is "unloving." We are supposed to act as though there is nothing wrong with it ("because that's what Jesus would do") and then they will come to the Lord and someday, somewhere down the road they somehow discover (without us telling them) that homosexuality is a sin; and, the theory goes, they will stop committing the acts which Holy Scripture calls abominable. It's a plan. It's not the kind of plan we see followed by the prophets, apostles, or our Lord Jesus, but it is a plan. I'm not so sure it actually works, but it is a plan. The one positive thing we can say about this plan is that it frees one from the discomfort of offending people with the truth and suffering the backlash that accompanies such honesty.

christdependent #fundie #homophobia christiandiscussionforums.org

(1)portraying fundamentalist Christianity as sinister, dangerous, and antiquated, while (2) picking on those poor little homosexuals and trying to establish a theocracy to impose their moral values, like the Nazis, etc.

Just another appeal to emotions, the psychological strategy being to pit one emotion (fear) against the other (hatred), labelling those who oppose the homosexual agenda as the latter, who are actually to be feared. Middle-of-the-road Christians are the target of these appeals, as these activists have properly identified those who refuse to budge from WHAT IS WRITTEN as being beyond their sway.

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia jesus-is-savior.com

[Re. Dumbledore]

All across Europe, America, and across the world, schoolroom children are now being sold on homosexuality through their beloved Harry Potter infatuation. Whereas normal children would shun the idea of homosexual sex, they're now forced to seriously reconsider, since one of the beloved Harry Potter' characters is gay.

Lady Checkmate #fundie #homophobia disqus.com

Sexually abused as a child, a satan worshiper finds Jesus, through the prayers of a stranger!!

https://youtu.be/20xpyQvrTug

A desperate man who had been beaten and sexually abused by his closeted homosexual father and raped by a homosexual male friend of his family as a child, struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts. He tried to escape the pain through drug addiction and pimping. Feeling lost and abandoned, he began rebelling, big time, against God, by getting deeply involved in satan worship, as a means to get back at God, but he finds Jesus, and becomes Born Again! Keep praying. There is deliverance in Jesus Christ!!

Anonymous #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Interracial relationships are evil. They violate the laws of nature and should be outlawed! Why can't people just be glad for the race that they were meant to be. You heathens need to turn your lives around and atone for your sins. A white woman is not supposed to be with a black man. A black woman is not supposed to be with a white man. The hispanics are a product of the great sin of having interracial affairs. They have all of these mixed spanish people walking around with identity issues. My heart cringes when I see Asian women with white men. It's WRONG!!! We can all be friends with people of different races but we are not to marry others of a different race. Here are some verses that prove how wrong it is:
Deuteronomy 22:9: "Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled."

Leviticus 19:19: "Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind ..."

wetwareproblem #moonbat wetwareproblem.tumblr.com

“I know my body better than some doctor”
No you literally do not. You did not attend 12+ years of medical school, you did not spend hundreds of thousands in tuition and have student loans for the rest of your life to get a medical degree. You do not, in fact, know more about your body than “some doctor”. Surprise!


Okay. yeah, that doctor has a lot of training. 12 whole years. Maybe they know The Generic Human Body better than you. In fact, they probably do.

But The Generic Human Body, the one used in basically all education and medical testing, is an abled, cis, white adult man.

If you are not an abled, cis, white, adult man, there is an extremely good chance you know your body - the individual one you’ve lived with for your entire life - better than the doctor in question.

While we’re at it: When I was a teenager, I wound up in psychiatric and psychological care. I was being seen by two professionals, who combined had been trainning longer than I had been alive - never mind their actual experience.

They misdiagnosed me. Horribly. They thought I was bipolar; I was depressed. It almost killed me, and did in fact culminate in getting my stomach pumped, spending a week in psychiatric ICU on suicide watch, and permanent aggravation of my sensory processing disorder - the SPD that came with the extremely blatant autism that these Learned Professionals completely missed.

(Funfact: The drug that aggravated my SPD? I was in the trial group for it. I’ve recently gathered - with my tiny-ass reach here on tumblr - a dozen testimonials from other people with SPD who had reactions to this drug. It’s still not listed as a possible side effect or contraindication.)

(A) #moonbat revleft.com

ACAB
I see the police as a reactionary force fighting for the interests of the bourgeouise. However, i know a policeman personally and i dont dislike/hate him. How should i deal in social situations when het talks about his work etc? Do any of you have experiences with this or advice?

I dont talk to cops. I dont associate with the enemy of my own volition.

The only time I spend time with people who I may not agree with is at my judo club.
But let me tell you if a cop joined the club it would be my personal mission to smash him into the mats.

Reminds me of a story. I nearby Club shares its space with a RCMP. The RCMP used to train with the teen class until they realized that the Teens where wrecking them!
Cops are fat and lazy and easy to beat up if they dont have their gun and the law to back them up.

In this context I would love if the cops joined the club. It would let me beat the shit out of them without getting shot.

DaveM #fundie religionethics.co.uk

Reminds me of the Prof of Statistics several years ago who took eight prophecies relating to the life of Jesus. All were from OT writings where there is general agreement that they dated back at least 400 years before Christ. He then gave his senior class an exercise to calculate the probability of all eight being fulfilled in one person. They came up with a figure of 1:10^17. So perhaps another seven prophecies from you would be in order.

The results were published in a respected journal. So clearly his methodology was considered acceptable.

There were of course over 30 prophecies fulfilled in the last week of Christ's life alone.

Anna Diehl #fundie 924jeremiah.wordpress.com

Once we accept God’s perspective of sin, we realize that we are totally equal to every other soul on this earth. I can’t afford to look down my nose at the active child molester next door because when I was four years old, I stole a cookie out of the cookie jar after my mother told me not to and then I lied about it. To God, I’m as bad as the molester. 

KABOOM THE MOONS #conspiracy godlikeproductions.com

New Enormous Global Deception In The Works! Robots, Reptilians, Grays, Demons, Vampires, Aliens Etc Are All Humans In Disguise!

Just came across this video
https://youtu.be/hWe62uHpikY
Left this comment

"Did you expected the sick fucks who rule this world to create good robots? It reeks stinky evil human smell all over those robots.
Nice way for the elite to turn the attention of the masses off of them."

From oblivion with tom cruise

-That is one pissed off weapon.(robot)
-No, it's just a machine. I'm the weapon.

By the way i bet there's humans hiding behind that robot just like in kasparov's chess match against ibm's best computer where was revealed stinking humans were hiding behind that computer and manipulating it throughout the entire chess game.

HAHAHA LOOK WHAT I JUST FOUND!

[link to www.chess.com (secure)]

After Kasparov lost the second game of his tournament match against Deep Blue, he was surprised by the computer’s human-like playing style and requested copies of Deep Blue’s previous chess games, but was denied.

After the loss Kasparov said that he sometimes saw deep intelligence and creativity in the machine's moves, suggesting that during the second game, human chess players, in contravention of the rules, intervened. IBM denied that it cheated, saying the only human intervention occurred between games.

The mre guy on youtube exposing dudes posing as women/trannies made me aware the sick elite that rules this planet can apply this method/strategy into all kind of things not just turning men into women and reverse.

You think the science, chemicals, hormones etc that modifies men into women stops there?

Now i suspect those notorious reptilians, grays etc to be humans/dudes also converted into those kind of things.

It would be so hilarious when those freaks become common walking among us in the future and a new mre youtube guy comes along exposing them as humans disguised in those forms just like the trannies hahaha!

Same exposing can be done for the humanoid robots as note in movies like robocop was shown the corporations/elite etc to hide humans/brains etc within those robots!
And the freaking matrix, dollhouse attic/super computers etc in those movies were powered by millions/billions of brains/humans sleeping in suspended animation in pods and using their minds/brains/consciousness etc to power up and animate the computer world and everything that comes with it AI, NPCs, robots etc etc.(Imagine agent smith being animated by an actual human sleeping in a pod and him being unaware of it just like all of us.
Thread: Mr. Nobody 2009 Movie Decoded - We're All Sleeping In The Moon Dreaming Human Life.
Thread: Our Brains Are Being Used As Processors! READ AND PIN THIS WILL BLOW YOUR MIND! UNPRECEDENTED INFO!
What machines, what computerworld, it's all human consciousness doing all the work hahaha).


In short robots, reptilians, grays, insectoid aliens etc etc is the scam/trannies of the future!

GOT DAMN IT I'VE DONE IT AGAIN MAN, JUST RUINED THE ELITE'S NEW DECEPTION BEFORE IT EVEN BEGUN!

SPREAD THE WORD GUYS, AND LET THE MRE YOUTUBE GUY KNOW TOO. Would love to see him exposing in the future reptilians, grays, robots etc just like he does with the trannies today hahaha!

By the way similar thing was shown in hellraiser 2 movie too of this elite's strategy/pattern being used all the way to religions demons,angels etc, all stinking freaking humans/dudes in disguise!

Oh and lets not leave god/satan/lunar boss etc out where the elite with jesus revealed subliminally of him to be a human too hahaha!

The intel of him making us in his image exposes also that he is a human/dude just like us!

Anatoly Fomenko and Garry Kasparov #conspiracy blackbag.gawker.com

Since 1980, Fomenko, mathematician at Moscow State University and full member of Russia's prestigious Academy of Sciences, has been the leading proponent of a radical revision of human history—"an improved version of the global chronology of the Ancient Time," as he and collaborator Gleb Nosovsky put it—based on statistical and astronomical analyses.

Fomenko believes there is no reliable written record of human events before the 11th century. Most of our knowledge of earlier cultures is based on texts or copies of texts that date from after that era. From that point on, chroniclers—primarily learned religious scholars—used supposition and arbitrary consensus to fix the dates of key events in history. In doing so, they grafted recent occurrences onto earlier dates—sometimes unwittingly, sometimes perniciously—thus creating numerous "historical duplicates." History appears to repeat itself, Fomenko suggests, because it is thoroughly plagiarized.

In his chronology, the events of the New Testament precede those of the Old Testament—and in any case, most of the stories are concocted to reflect later incidents. Joan of Arc was a model for the biblical character Deborah. Jesus Christ was crucified in Constantinople in 1086. Ancient Egypt, Rome, and Greece were fashioned by Renaissance writers and artists (the time of the Pharoahs, Fomenko suggests, may have lasted into the 1700s). Aristotle instructed Alexander the Great, who was a tsar, in Moscow in the 1400s. Early English history—from the accepted names and dates to the apocryphal legends of a post-Roman King Arthur—is actually a carbon copy of Fourth Century Byzantium, which is itself a fiction based on late Medieval events.

Speaking of carbon, don't bother relying on carbon dating or other "scientific" chronological methods, Fomenko says: They are premised on the "old" dating system, and hence thoroughly corrupted.

"Does this sound uncanny?" the author asks:

"This version of events is substantiated by hard facts and logic – validated by new astronomical research and statistical analysis of ancient sources – to a greater extent than everything you may have read and heard about history before."

Ironically, no one has done more to popularize Fomenko's work than a hardened opponent of Russian President Vladimir Putin: The famous world chess champion Garry Kasparov.

In a 2003 online essay, Mathematics of the Past (available now only in archived form), Kasparov says that as far back as childhood—the fount of all great ideas, obviously!—he "began to feel that there was something wrong with the dates of antiquity." Kasparov proceeds to recount how, reading Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, he found countless contradictions: How could ancient Romans accomplish so much without good maps? If humans were growing in stature over time, how were ancient soldiers so much stronger and larger than those of Gibbon's day? And how could they have achieved such advances in math and architecture using only Roman numerals?

Fortunately, Kasparov found an answer, like manna from heaven:

"About five years ago, I came across several books written by two mathematicians from Moscow State University: academician A.T. Fomenko and G.V. Nosovskij. The books described the work of a group of professional mathematicians, led by Fomenko, who had considered the issues of ancient and medieval chronology for more than 20 years with fascinating results. Using modern mathematical and statistical methods, as well as precise astronomical computations, they discovered that ancient history was artificially extended by more than 1,000 years. For reasons beyond my understanding, historians are still ignoring their work."

Anonymous #fundie standard.net

[This is the actual text of an email threat sent to various groups at Utah State University in response to Anita Sarkeesian planning to hold a conference there.]

This is a warning to all staff and students at Utah State University.

On Wednesday, October the 15th, a woman named Anita Sarkeesian is going to be speaking at the Taggart Student Center. This event is being organized by campus feminists at the Center for Women and Gender Studies.

If you do not cancel her talk, a Montreal Massacre style attack will be carried out against the attendees, as well as students and staff at the nearby Women's Center. I have at my disposal a semi-automatic rifle, multiple pistols, and a collection of pipe bombs. This will be the deadliest school shooting in American history and I'm giving you a chance to stop it.

You have 24 hours to cancel Sarkeesian's talk. You might be foolish enough to just beef up security at the event, but that won't save you. Even if they're able to stop me, there are plenty of feminists on campus who won't be able to defend themselves. One way or another, I'm going to make sure they die.

You've probably heard of a man named Marc Lepine. He was a hero to men everywhere for standing up to the toxic influence of feminism on Western masculinity. We live in a nation of emasculated cowards too afraid to challenge the vile, misandrist harpies who seek to destroy them. Feminism has taken over every facet of our society, and women like Sarkeesian want to punish us for even fantasizing about being men. This is why I've chosen to target her. Anita Sarkeesian is everything wrong with the feminist movement, and she is going to die screaming like the craven little whore that she is if you let her come to USU. I will write my manifesto in her spilled blood, and you will all bear witness to what feminist lies and poison have done to the men of America.

I am a student here. You will never find me, but you may all soon know my name. Feminists have ruined my life and I will have my revenge, for my sake and the sake of all the others they've wronged.

You have 24 hours. Use them well.

AFA Auto-correct #wingnut #homophobia thecarpetbaggerreport.com

Auto-correct can be a very helpful feature of any word-processing program. But when conservatives use it, they run the risk of embarrassing themselves.

... the American Family Association’s OneNewsNow website takes the phenomenon one step further with its AP articles. The far-right fundamentalist group replaces the word “gay” in the articles with the word “homosexual.” I’m not entirely sure why, but it seems to make the AFA happy.

...My friend Kyle reported this morning that sprinter Tyson Gay won the 100 meters at the U.S. Olympic track and field trials over the weekend. The AFA ran the story, but only after the auto-correct had “fixed” the article.

That means — you guessed it — the track star was renamed “Tyson Homosexual.” The headline on the piece read, “Homosexual eases into 100 final at Olympic trials.”

GenderCriticalDad #fundie reddit.com

[Comment under "The Complicity of FTTs in the harming of women"]

Its complicated, and for me, personal.

She, my daughter is both victim and complicit. Wrapped up in my own flesh and blood. Who I have known from before her birth. Who we have cared for and fed all her life. Who I have cleaned shit and puke off, waited endless hours in hospitals for, bought clothes, toiletries and towels for.

I can empathise with why she has made her choices, how she can't stand alone against the misogyny and homophobia of society, how every org and social group that should be telling her shes fine as what she is, is telling her that its just so much better to trans and how being a lesbian or even a GNC straight woman who isn't gagging to poked, is just so uncool and transphobic.

But I hate the ideology that led her there and I hate it still when she repeats it. Sometimes is really hard not to hate her.

Houseman #fundie #homophobia patheos.com

(=A respone to a homosexual interpretation of the centurion and his servant=)

he account takes all the things stated by the comments into account, but all forget one thing..Jesus! Jesus knew what he was doing, not snookered by the elders or the centurion. He knew the Mosaic law about homosexuality he knew the authority behind it, his Father. so if what is being said he healed a gay man, this is incorrect. In each example during his 3 and a half year ministry Jesus never once was in accomplice in ones sins but told never to do it again. forgave them and directed them toward another path. Never to keep something sinful going. Jesus knew the heart of the centurion and if what is being said, Jesus would not have healed the 'pais', it would have been against everything he stood for, even the love his own Father is. Ones want love to continue to cover all sins, even while we keep doing them, but the time will come when God will not cover us with mercy and love but remove evil, wickedness and sin from this earth. That is love, not keep picking us up, but truly teaching us how to walk without falling. Not feeding us crumbs, but teaching us how to feed ourselves fully. This is true love!

Slappi #fundie #homophobia rr-bb.com

(Discussing homosexuality)

[Originally Posted by trisection
Lastly, I don't think Christians are as unanimous on this issue as you claim.]

Then they aren't Christians since it isn't open for debate. If someone claims to be a Christian and says homosexuality is OK with God then that person should be put on ignore, banned or whatever else the mods decide should be done. They are only causing a disruption.

garhill67 #homophobia youtube.com

It does not take a broad mind to accept homosexuality. It takes a sick mind. Have you ever been to a gay parade. These people have a screw loose. The day a man can get a man pregnant or a woman can get a woman pregnant is the day that homosexuality becomes normal. There are no gay animals. Animals do not have sex for pleasure. We happen to be the only mammals capable of that.

Sarah's parents & Heartlight Ministries #fundie #homophobia dailymail.co.uk

'Save Sarah!': Supergirl star makes public plea to free his cousin, 17, from controversial 'pray the gay away' camp after she was locked up there by 'her parents because she took a girl to prom'

• Jeremy Jordan, star of TV and Broadway, says his cousin Sarah was forced into a religious boarding facility by her parents

• Jordan is publicizing her plight on a GoFundMe page, which says that the Christian facility is teaching her that homosexuality is 'a sin and abnormal'

• Sarah, 17, was apparently whisked off to the state-licensed residential facility called Heartlight Ministries after attending prom with her girlfriend

• Legally, she will have to stay there for a YEAR until she's 18, says the page

A teen is allegedly being held against her will at a 'pray away the gay' religious facility in Texas and her famous cousin is trying to free her.

Jeremy Jordan, who stars in CBS's 'Supergirl,' has started a social media campaign to bring attention to his cousin Sarah, 17, who he says was forced by her parents into to go to a Christian boarding facility in a remote, rural area outside of Austin after she brought her girlfriend to prom.

It's unclear when she was sent there, but proms are usually held in warmer months before school closes for the summer.

'My amazing friends & fans, PLEASE help us save my sweet gay cousin Sarah who’s trapped at a boarding facility in TX,' Jordan tweeted on June 4.

The Supergirl actor, who plays Winn Schott on the CBS show, further added on Facebook: 'I can't believe beautiful, smart, incredible kids like my cousin Sarah are still being told that being gay is wrong. But it's worse than that for Sarah... She's been placed at a remote boarding facility to help "pray away the gay" for a year with no communication to the outside world.

'She may not be able to see it now, but please show her how much she matters and take a stand to help us free this wonderful young woman and welcome her back to a world of love and acceptance.'

In another post he adds: 'My cousin Sarah, like any other teenager, loves a shameless selfie... Its just sometimes hers includes another girl... You can't see it, but the caption of the photo on the left reads "Merry Christmas from two kids in love." It BREAKS MY HEART this sweet young girl who's only "issue" is loving another girl has been sent to a facility for "troubled teens." News flash, folks, there's nothing wrong with her.'

Sarah is at a state-licensed residential facility called Heartlight Ministries.

Julie Moody, a spokeswoman for the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, told the New York Daily News that she could not discuss whether the agency is investigating the situation but confirmed that the girl was at the facility.

According to the facility's website it says: 'For 25 years, we’ve provided a safe haven for positive change. Our residential setting offers struggling teens an atmosphere to develop healthier patterns during the most troubling times.'

It adds that it serves 56 kids, on 150 acres, with more than 40 staff members.

According to the GoFundMe page, Sarah's parents sent her to the camp after she and her girlfriend went to prom together. The page describes it as 'Bible-based therapy' for her 'disease'.

'Sarah’s parents, who believe that homosexuality is a sin and abnormal, sent Sarah away against her will to an East Texas Christian boarding facility for troubled teens to “pray away the gay,'' says the GoFundMe page which aims to raise funds for Sarah's legal expenses.

The page has raised over $48,000 in four days, almost half of its $100,000 goal. The page says that legal bills have already totaled $20,000. Anything left over will go to Sarah's college fund.

Christine Andresen, a lawyer who specializes in LGBT issues has been hired to try to free Sarah.

The New York daily News also reported that Andresen said: 'I can't comment on pending litigation, other than to authenticate that to the best of my knowledge, the background information on the GoFundMe shared by Sarah's cousin is truthful.'

In Texas, a teen who is not yet 18 can be remanded to a residential boarding facility against their will, says the page's administrator, Joey Jordan, also a cousin of Sarah's.

The page also says that Sarah tried to escape but was brought back to the facility and 'punished' and that friends tried to rescue her but were threatened with arrest by local police.

Sarah is described as an excellent student who was at the top ten percent of her class, on the debate team, and in the National Honor Society, and had been applying to colleges.

Her parents swooped in and bundled her off to the 'pray away the gay' camp. The GoFundMe page describes it as 'Bible-based therapy' for her 'disease'.

Sarah, whose surname was not immediately clear, is described as being cut off from her friends and family with no email, phone, or visitors allowed.

'Not only does this type of 'therapy' not work, mental health professionals from organizations like the American Medical Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics have found it to be psychologically damaging, especially for minors,' the page administrator and Jeremy's cousin, Joey Jordan, wrote.

sharaleigh23 #fundie groups.yahoo.com

It is all around us. I hear the word...'normalizing' a lot now. Things we never would have dreamed okay just five years ago not only are okay, but anyone that says it isn't are demeaned. Such as transsexuals teaching our children at school, dressed like a freak...we are bad if we don't like it. So many more examples. This happened before our eyes, sped up when Obama was president.

cyberlizard #fundie christianforums.com

makes sense - some of us in the thread don't accept the authority of scripture cause they are 'agnostic'.

if we do not accept scripture is accurate then the truth is we do not have to believe in sin, we can say the miracles of Jesus are a joke and never happened, and certainly the idea he rose from the dead can be discounted also.

I for one have no trouble with the earth being 8000 years old, nor man living alongside dinosaurs. Being a Christian does not equate with intellectual suicide.

Steve the Christian

Navaros #fundie #homophobia #forced-birth forum.dune2k.com

[Note the dialogue of Euthypho and Socrates: conclusion that what is pious is not because of the quality that it is loved by a god, but for a reason inherent in it, and that the god loves it because it is good.]


Socrates is in Hell right now, burning as we speak. He knew nothing of God, or what is good. So you picked a very bad example to quote from about this subject.


Humans do not have minds capable of knowing what is "good" better than God does. For example, you see many people on this site promoting and/or defending evil causes such as "homosexuality" (one reason why Socrates is now in Hell, by the way) and genocide against human children. They have no basis for saying these things are "good", yet they do. These things are in fact very evil. Many men who society considers "wise" are actually fools. So says God, and God is correct.

God knows what is good and what is not good. His opinion is the one that counts. Not the petty, evil opinion of man. Christ has said that mankind will naturally promote wickedness and evil instead of doing good. That is why you see things like "Gay Pride Parades" and genocide against children. Because the foolishness of man says that "these things are good!" It does not matter how many say that evil things are good - evil things will *NEVER* be good.

It is true that Atheists have no morality. Because a man in his natural state will almost always automatically promote and defend evildoings. Like Akriku and ACElethal and other Atheists promoting "homosexuality", for example. To be moral requires a man to leave his natural state and allow himself to become righteous. Atheists almost never have a reason to do this since they do not obey God's commands, and hence most Atheists have no morality

jerome #fundie #homophobia blog.myspace.com

Lindsay is a homosexual who is not in a state of grace, objectively speaking. As far as the bible goes, if you don't belive it, or in God, then where did life come from. Anyone who knows anything about science knows that something, in this case, life, can't come from nothing. Pray for Lindsay, and don't vote for the Marxist, baby-killer Obama. P.S. Obama wants to create a civilian police force equal to the U.S. military in power ala the Nazi's brownshirt gestapo. Do your research. Also, if you know history, you know that every civilization that has embraced homosexuality has died out. See Rome, Greece, etc. Read some books, then open your mouth. Also, the correct translation is Condemn not, lest you be Condemned. It is not our place to say who is damned to hell for all eternity, but we must make objective judgments every day about right and wrong based on the Word of God. Jesus also said, "the wages of sin is death." He meant spiritual death, which is eternal. P.S. the New Testament originated through oral tradition, not scripture.

yogi3939 #fundie #homophobia rr-bb.com

There is a lot about homosexuality that the gay commuinity does not want you to hear. First of all, most of them consider themselves to be in a "committed" relationship if they still go to the "bathhouses" and have sex with anybody they want to and as many as they want to but return home to their "partner" after all the fooling around with many other gay men.

And it is that very promiscuity that made AIDS a gay disease in this country. If the heterosexual population were as loose with their morals AIDS would be rampant in them as well. In fact, there is a higher incidence of all STD's in the gay population than in the straights. So they are sinners on two counts, being gay in the first place and being "adulterers" (if you can really use that heterosexual term for gays) and fornicators.

Yup, if I were writing the laws homosexuality would be a misdemeaner, and a felony for a third offense. Just the public health aspect of it alone demands such laws.

TimeWarpWife #fundie #homophobia rr-bb.com

[On the Supreme Court issuing its decision on same-sex marriage in a few days.]

Personally, I believe the spiritual tipping point and the beginning of the end of the United States started in 1963 when the Supreme Court banned school prayer. What we're seeing now, with the same court most likely supporting homosexual "marriage" or kicking it back to the States, which most have already overridden the will of the voters who rejected it, is the death knell of this country. Truthfully, this nation deserves Barack Obama as its leader because as a whole it has been shaking its fist at God for the last 52 years. I believe God has reached His breaking point and the acceptance of homosexuality as "normal" in this country, instead of it being seen as what the bible says it is - perversion - is going to be the last nail in this once great country's coffin. Turn off the lights, it's time to go home, the fat lady has sung. It happened to the Greeks and Romans and now it's happening to this country.

MidNightRider2001 #homophobia uk.youtube.com

On Earth right now, over 40,000,000 people have AIDS/HIV. These 40 million, sure to be dead, were all killed by homosexuals, who spread this disease. Homosexuals, who can't control their sex drives, have unleashed a greater holocaust upon the world than Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. Gays are sick, violent maniac killers.

Thales #fundie forum.objectivismonline.com

People who are serious about ideas have to deal with the central tenets of the philosophy, not out of context statements. Otherwise, they aren't going to convince anyone of anything.

As to Ayn Rand's statements here, I'm sure it stems from her disgust over altruism and to the evils to which it leads. Altruists are hell bent on bringing everyone down to the same level and they love to inculcate guilt over issues like these. If you want to see direct evidence of what altruism does to people, the results are writ large in history. The Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and other collectivist totalitarian states show clearly how much life is valued by altruists.

The end result of such a moral code is the exact opposite of caring for people, because at core it's saying "You are nothing", “Du bist nicht". Altruism is death worship. Anyone who acts on altruistic premises, whether they know it or not, are acting on ideas that do not value individuals, and we’re all individuals, including those who are handicapped. I don't have that particular lecture, so I can't comment any more than that.

Adam Hobbes #fundie reaxxion.com

“The uncontested absurdities of today are the accepted slogans of tomorrow. They come to be accepted by degrees, by precedent, by implication, by erosion, by default, by dint of constant pressure on one side and constant retreat on the other—until the day when they are suddenly declared to be the country’s official ideology.”

-Ayn Rand

The public debut of “Caitlyn” Jenner represents a watershed moment for American culture. Though most have not realized it, Jenner’s coming out party constitutes a significant “trial balloon” on the part of the progressive left and the media. It is an attempt to cash in on years of carefully managed stories on transgender “discrimination,” sympathetic portrayals of transgender characters in entertainment, and the generally successful campaign of the gay rights movement and social justice activists.

The goal is simple: normalize transgenderism to such an extent that any criticism of the concept or its practitioners will not be tolerated.

They must not be allowed to succeed. Whether the silent majority of Americans realize it or not, the transgender issue represents the last best opportunity to turn the tide in the culture wars. Make no mistake: the progressives are winning. Twenty years ago a person could openly criticize homosexuality. Today, thanks to the Supreme Court, people who do not enthusiastically endorse gay marriage are branded as bigots, disqualified from high-profile business positions, and generally dismissed as ignorant hicks whose views are outside of the scope of acceptable thought.

Media outlets have already taken sides and are branding people as being “transphobic” for not accepting the idea that Bruce Jenner is now a female. It is now “bigoted” to refer to Bruce as a “he.” Even so much as joking about Jenner is verboten. The media is rallying around him, protecting him, in spite of the fact that his refusal to get sex reassignment surgery, his sexual preference for women, and his recently having killed someone in a car accident all make him a very poor candidate as the face of transgenderism.

Nevertheless, they have made him the poster boy, hoping that everyday TV watchers won’t sweat the details and that the popularity of the Kardashians will keep him relevant. The next steps include some Will and Grace style sitcom to make transgenders seem more hip and fun, adoption by the Democratic Party as the next great civil rights issue, and finally a sustained campaign of legal and private ideological bullying until transgender acceptance is the new normal.


"The Line In The Sand"

Why must we draw the line at transgenderism? I argue that legitimization of transgenderism would constitute a cultural sea change. It would be the first time the cultural fascists had succeeded in enforcing genuine doublethink. Leftist ideology regarding transgenderism not only contradicts existing progressive doctrines (feminism), but is also literally false. You are being ordered to believe in a fairy tale—the idea that a dog can transform into a cat if it just wishes for it hard enough—and this is where the danger lies.

To be clear, I do not argue that we need to persecute or hate transgenders: people have the right to choose to play dress up and freely associate with others who indulge their delusions. What we need to protect is our right to disapprove of their behavior and reject their “science.” We must dig our heels in and fight. One is reminded of Picard’s words on the Borg in First Contact:

“We’ve made too many compromises already, too many retreats. They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. Not again! The line must be drawn here! This far, no farther!”: might as well be GamerGate’s slogan.

Of course, in the film Jean-Luc eventually agrees with Lily, though this does not refute his point about the Borg. He is right when he says that repeated compromise and surrender will not work. As in any war, the longer good men wait to fight back, the more difficult it is to overcome a metastasizing and emboldened evil.

The progressives have been encouraged by traditional Americans’ reluctance to fight back due to a mixture of indifference, moral cowardice, and bemusement. They are strengthened by the tendency of mainstream society to not take them seriously, to say “Who cares about Bruce Jenner and the reality TV sideshow!”, and to think that the goodwill and tolerance extended toward progressives will be returned.

This last point is crucial when we consider the history of previous civil rights causes. Earlier progressive campaigns pertaining to issues such as women’s lib, gay rights, and miscegenation had decent libertarian justifications and did not seek to impose much on society save tolerance of alternative life choices. (Social conservatives would likely argue that there were other negative consequences.)

Transgenderism, by contrast, imposes a great deal on American society. It requires us to revisit all questions of sex segregation, everywhere from schools to sports leagues to bathrooms. And note that this is all demanded based on the softer concept, “gender,” as transgenders have all but stopped using the term “transsexual.” They understand that with current technology, sex is immutable.

Since gender is supposedly just about feelings instead of biology, transgender logic would allow any man to claim he is a woman and waltz into a women’s locker room. There is no requirement that he pass for a female, nor is there a requirement that his “feeling” be permanent.


"The Real Danger"

The biggest problem with the transgender agenda is that it erodes our right to our own minds and to our perceptions of reality. A man is not a woman merely because he believes he is one, yet the progressives would have us believe so on pain of social ostracism, loss of employment, and discrimination lawsuits. If we give progressives the right to redefine reality, then we are no better off than Winston in 1984 when he was tortured for refusing to say that 2 and 2 equal 5 (or to continue the Star Trek references, Picard when he was tortured by the Cardassians for refusing to pretend there were five lights. And isn’t it weird that “Cardassian” sounds like “Kardashian?”)

What argument could there possibly be against polygamy, pedophilia, zoophilia, or any range of (currently) unacceptable behaviors? If the legal criteria for a thing’s identity is mere belief on the part of the subject, why shouldn’t a child be allowed to have a romantic relationship with an adult if he believes himself to be an adult as well?

Children are too young to make that choice you say? Then why are there transgender children? Surely you can’t argue that a small child ought to be able to take hormones and change their gender (a decision that will have a massive impact on the rest of their lives), yet cannot consent to sex. If feelings are good enough in one case, then why not the other?

We are not only legitimizing a subculture that will invite massive legal headache and mischief upon our society, we are also establishing a criteria for said legitimacy that is so patently irrational and dangerous as to ensure an endless queue of additional subcultures will come forward seeking the same affirmation from society.

It is perhaps ironic that it is the traditionalists and conservatives that are arguing that there is more to being a woman than copying stereotypical gender norms and looking the part. To say that Bruce Jenner is a woman after a bit of surgery and makeup is degrading to the idea of womanhood. The case of Rachel Dolezal shows that black people are not especially tolerant of whites identifying as black merely because they “feel” they are. Yet there is no strong argument against transracialism if we accept transgenderism.

Given the example of Dolezal, women should be just as insulted at the pretense of someone like Bruce Jenner. Lacking the biology and differing treatment from society that comes from actually being a woman, his claim that he “has always felt like a woman” is absurd on its face. What he really feels is a compulsive desire to play dress up: to make manifest a fetishized ideal of femininity brought about by his own psychological insecurities and a “grass is always greener” presumption about life as a woman.

Transgender people suffer from a pervasive mental illness, and as a result they deserve our sympathy. There is no reason to be violent or mean toward them. Still, we should not be expected to affirm their neuroses anymore than we should affirm the beliefs of a schizophrenic who believes himself to be an alien.

The time for compromise is over. Do not apologize for “misgendering” them, do not feel bad for calling him “Bruce,” do not be afraid to make jokes about them (they say worse things about whites and Christians), and do not ever apologize for rejecting their unscientific hogwash. This noisy .001% of the population is sick and should not be allowed to dictate to the rest of us. When they tell you to move, plant yourself like a tree by the river of truth and tell them: no. You move.

crip <3 #fundie #sexist #psycho forum.myspace.com

(There are soooo many people that are quite simply smarter and more intelligent than you. GET THE FUCK OVER IT.)

u wish, you are a crack whore, your picture proves my point cari, you will never win. Abortion is wrong, and God backs me on this woman. I (speaking as myself) hope you are tortured and raped, then slaughtered.

Angyl #fundie #senpai-noticed-us rr-bb.com

There's this guy who has NOTHING BETTER TO DO with his life than to peruse the Christian message boards on the internet, and lift quotes from people out of context and paste them on his site in a poor attempt to make us look stupid and ignorant. On R.R., We've turned his silly game around: We consider it an honor to be posted on his site because much of what he's putting up there is actually FURTHERING THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST! I mean hey, why have your quotes about Jesus and the sin in the world on only one web page when you can get it on two??