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Samir Abu Hamza #fundie #sexist telegraph.co.uk

Self-styled cleric Samir Abu Hamza, who runs the Islamic Information and Services Network of Australasia in Melbourne, advised a male audience in Sydney in 2003 that they could force their wives to have sex and beat them if they were "disobedient".

In a lecture titled "The Keys to a Successful Marriage", which has since been posted on the internet and viewed thousands of times, Mr Hamza said men could beat their wives, "to shape them up", but should try not to draw blood or bruise them.

He also said women "must respond" if their husbands wanted to have sex, and ridiculed laws that prohibit rape within marriage.

"In this country if the husband wants to sleep with his wife and she does not want to and she hasn't got a sickness or whatever, there is nothing wrong with her she just does not feel like it, and he ends up sleeping with her by force ... it is known to be as rape," Mr Hamza said.

"Amazing, how can a person rape his wife?"

Burmese "Military Regime" #fundie telegraph.co.uk

The military regime in Burma is intent on wiping out Christianity in the country, according to claims in a secret document believed to have been leaked from a government ministry. Entitled "Programme to destroy the Christian religion in Burma", the incendiary memo contains point by point instructions on how to drive Christians out of the state.

The text, which opens with the line "There shall be no home where the Christian religion is practised", calls for anyone caught evangelising to be imprisoned. It advises: "The Christian religion is very gentle – identify and utilise its weakness."

Its discovery follows widespread reports of religious persecution, with churches burnt to the ground, Christians forced to convert to the state religion, Buddhism, and their children barred from school.

UK Ministry of Defence Government Officials #conspiracy telegraph.co.uk

Government officials believe aliens may visit Earth and suggest harnessing UFO technology for UK defences, files say.

Documents from the Ministry of Defence classified archives show staff believed aliens could visit for “military reconnaissance”, “scientific” research or “tourism”.

In a 1995 briefing now published by the National Archives, a desk officer said the purpose of reported alien craft sightings “needs to be established as a matter of priority”, adding there did not appear to be “hostile intent”.

The unnamed official said it was “essential that we start with open minds”, explaining “what is scientific ‘fact’ today may not be true tomorrow”.

Clarifying he did not “talk to little green men every night”, he said: “We have a remit that we have never satisfied. That is, we do not now (sic) if UFOs exist. If they do exist, we do not know what they are, their purpose or if they pose a threat to the UK. If the sightings are of devices not of the earth then their purpose needs to be established as a matter of priority. There has been no apparent hostile intent and other possibilities are: 1) Military reconnaissance; 2) Scientific; 3) Tourism.”

He added that “if reports are taken at face value” they showed extraterrestrial vehicles had “a very wide range of speeds and are stealthy.”

Thus, he suggested, “we could use this technology, if it exists”.

[...]

Papers also show the existence of a "Flying Saucer Working Party" within government during 1950-52.

In 1998, one worried member of staff annotated the file to say: “Oh dear! This makes our 'no interest' in [flying saucers] look suspect. I know not now but maybe then."

Don Cowan #fundie telegraph.co.uk

[comment on article "Intelligent people less likely to believe in God"]

I do not consider myself dumb nor highly intelligent either. All I know is God has saved me from death 3 different times in my life. Even the doctors could not figure the miracle cure of my illness out, only I knew for sure. I feel sad for those high IQ's who are going to be begging us dumb and dumber people in heaven "just for a drop of water to quence the burning" they will have to endure. Hey guys, you will be aware of your surroundings and you will feel pain, count on it. Put your brains to work and find Jesus, ASAP!!!

Faizrakhman Satarov #fundie telegraph.co.uk

70 sect members found living underground in Russia

A reclusive sect that literally went underground to stop contact with the outside world kept 27 children in dark and unheated cells, many of them for more than a decade, prosecutors said Wednesday. The children have been freed and the parents charged with child abuse.
Some of the children, aged between 1 and 17, have never seen daylight, health officials said. The sect's 83-year-old founder Faizrakhman Satarov, who declared himself a Muslim prophet in contradiction with the principles of Islam, has also been charged with negligence, Irina Petrova, deputy prosecutor in the provincial capital of Kazan, told The Associated Press.
No members of the sect, who call themselves "muammin" after the Arabic term that means "believers," have been arrested, she said.
The children were discovered last week when police searched the sect grounds as part of a probe into the recent killing of a top Tatarstan Muslim cleric, an attack local officials blame on radical Islamist groups that have mushroomed in the oil-rich, Volga River province.
Satarov, a former top imam in the neighboring province of Bashkortostan, declared his house outside Kazan an independent Islamic state. He ordered some 70 followers to live in cells they dug under the three-story building topped by a small minaret with a tin crescent moon. Only a few sect members were allowed to leave the premises to work as traders at a local market, Russian media reported.
The children have been placed in local hospitals for observation and will temporarily live in an orphanage, pediatrician Tatyana Moroz said in televised remarks.

Sri Ram Sena group #fundie telegraph.co.uk

Militants belonging to a group called Sri Ram Sena, who claim to be custodians of Indian culture, said Valentine's Day is un-Indian.

The threat comes days after the group's activists stormed a bar in the south western city of Mangalore, dragging out and beating women they accused of acting obscenely and "going astray".

The attack led to fears an extremist "Hindu Taliban" was on the rise in India.

Gangadhar Kulkarni, an activist in the group, which is a radical wing of the Hindu nationalist movement, said: "If people celebrate the day despite our warning, then we will definitely attack them."

"Valentine's Day is definitely not Indian culture. We will not allow celebration of that day in any form," added Pramod Mutalik, the group's founder.

Steve #fundie telegraph.co.uk

(Commenting on the LHC)

Risking the earth and all life for the exploitation of the poor by the wealthy...... That's not really a name, but it is accurate. JR Oppenheimer, lead scientist on the Manhattan Project later admitted that many of the scientists working on the first atomic bomb believed that the chain reaction would continue and destroy our planet......... they exploded it anyway! Mad scientists willing to kill our planet, just so they can play with their Hell toys. We must take back our world from these sick, satanically demented demons or we will all pay the ultimate price for our apathy. There is NO energy shortage. Only a glut of greedy devil spawn who maintain the satus quo and regulate our lives in EVERY respect. If there IS a shortage, it is with the brainwashed people of our planet... too stupid to see or think beyond what those in control tell them to think. Their shortage of common sense and willingness to be informed has allowed this risk and many before to occur and continue. 12 Monkeys......or worse. -Frydaddy

Ozark_Sunshine #fundie telegraph.co.uk

Paul you and your cohorts shows how some people with intelligence can be stupid. The Bible gets proven more and more correct everyday just you refuse to accept the archeologists findings that prove it. I can show you anotherway to prove it. Mine is a miracle healing documented by the Army, Air Force, University of New Mexico Med School and VA Hospital in Albuquerque. When they had to do bone grafts and realign my leg in 1995 and put screws and other hardware in my leg, it was supposed to take 9 - 12 weeks for the bones and grafts to heal. I was full weight bearing, walking on my leg in 3 weeks. I've seen other examples in friends as well, so how do you with your genius IQ mind explain that or does my genius IQ mind fully comprehend what yours can't process or you refuse to process. When someone can come up with a plausible answer other than mine and others prayers were answered, then maybe you can INTELLIGENTLY discuss what your pea brain refuses to acknowledge.

V #fundie telegraph.co.uk

Britain is the most Godless socialist collective I have ever visited and that includes the former USSR Albania Romania and even Holland which is another socialist nightmare. But the UK is the only nation which has a motto Dieu et Mon Droit and a Monarch which is Supreme Governor of the Church of England and a government which actively persecutes Christians (try refusing homosexuals anything they want!) - so the article is not even close to the problem. The country is on its knees now in every sense except the only one which will save it.

Yona Metzger and Shlomo Amar #fundie telegraph.co.uk

Abortions delay Messiah's arrival, Israel's chief rabbis say

The high number of abortions in Israel are delaying the arrival of the Messiah, Israel's two chief rabbis have said.

Published: 6:21PM GMT 29 Dec 2009

In a letter to Israel's faithful, Yona Metzger, the Ashkenazi chief rabbi, and his Sephardic colleague Shlomo Amar, said the country's high rate of terminations cause a "delay [of] the messianic redemption," according to a report on the Ynetnews website.

Bill #fundie telegraph.co.uk

Everyone talks about the 'religious right' as if it's a new phenomenon in the US. Clearly, it isn't. History shows that it isn't new.

The precepts presented by the 'religious right' are those that were held to by the founding fathers and then right down to the sixties.

It's not the right that's new; it's the liberal elite that's hijacked politics in the recent past.

We're just taking back what's rightfully ours!

Mitzi #fundie telegraph.co.uk

[Commenting on an article about Jesus Camp]

What an unfair and biased hack job this article is. It's insulting great swaths of folks across America, and portrays things incorrectly. This film was edited to produce a hostile reaction to the camp, and towards Christianity in general. Check out the producers of this film. You Brits have thrown away Christianity the way you are throwing away your soverignty. Your churches are deserted, almost deserted, or being turned into Mosques. Maybe this writer has a hostility towards Christianity because he's from a different religion. Or an athiest. Or maybe he's gay and can't stand the condemnation. Whatever. Just don't believe this bunk. It's mostly because of Chrtistianity that Americans are the most generous folks in the world. Check out the stats.

JoeU #fundie telegraph.co.uk

Scientific evidence such as polytstrate fossil (fossilised trees going through many rock layers), are evidence for a rapid burial by a catastrophic flood... a tree trunk would not stand around for millions of years waiting to be buried, it would decay quickly.

This is strong scientific evidence against evolution (which says these layers took millions of years to form)
and strong scientific evidence for creation (which says a world wide flood occurred during the days of Noah, as described in the biblical book of Genesis.

[snip]

Let's teach our children the truth.
Let's teach our children scientific facts, and if the facts are in accord with the Bible, ... let's tell our children the truth.

Klaus Emmerich #racist telegraph.co.uk

Klaus Emmerich, who until he retired was editor in chief of the Austrian broadcaster ORF's news and current affairs service, is a specialist in American politics and is still the station's top political commentator for US affairs.

But in coverage of the election in which Barack Obama was elected president he said: "I do not want the western world being directed by a black man. And if you say this is a racist remark, I say you are damn right it is."

Emmerich also said Obama's election was "a highly disturbing development" because "blacks are not as far advanced in the civilization process nor in their political progress."

Emmerich, 80, has worked as a reporter for 61 years and also said Obama is a "talented man, but a branded man" referring to his skin colour.

Greg Lorriman #fundie telegraph.co.uk

"If Adam and Eve were the first humans, are we all inbred?"

If their genes were perfect then that isn't a problem. Note that according to Genesis Eve was effectively Adam's semi-identical twin sister: she was his flesh in the most complete sense (to be "one flesh" is part of the Christian notion of marriage).

Indeed the prohibition against brothers and sisters marrying is practical rather than intrinisic: genes are no longer perfect and so close relatives can't get away with it. There would have been no problem with Adam and Eve's kids marrying each other.

Catholics, for example, can marry their first cousins with the permission of their bishop (who examines their family tree).

JT #fundie telegraph.co.uk

Let's see, if I choose not to be a Christian and there is no God, I die and nothing happens. If there is a God, I die and go to Hell.

If I choose to be a Christian and there is no God, I die and nothing happens. If there is a God, I die and have eternal life.

Which is the rational choice?

harry fredericks #conspiracy telegraph.co.uk

I question the reality of Anthropogenic climate change, as should all thinking people. Also I oppose wind power 100%. I view windfarms as an assault on the Planet and its peoples. Wind farms are a clumsy and ugly attempt at climate engineering, as thery greatly disrupt the planets "Hadley cells". Too, I must add that a guge number of people are questioning the trojan horse inside which is packaged the one world government our traitors in Parliament refer to as the New World Order. The whole thing is spin, bunkum and lies. I know the Telegraph is overseen by MI6, but how do find the nerve to peddle such tosh?

Sheikh Muhammad Munajid #fundie telegraph.co.uk

Mickey Mouse is a corrupting influence and must die, a Muslim cleric has declared.

...Sheikh Muhammad Munajid claimed the mouse is "one of Satan's soldiers" and makes everything it touches impure.

...The cleric, a former diplomat at the Saudi embassy in Washington DC, said that under Sharia, both household mice and their cartoon counterparts must be killed.

D Fournier #fundie telegraph.co.uk

Academics also believe overwhelmingly in Global Warming. And there's a lot more evidence of the existence of God than there is of Global Warming. Clearly the link between academia and IQ is tenuous, at best.

Female Muslim Medical Students #fundie telegraph.co.uk

Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in to stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against their religion.

Women training in several hospitals in England have raised objections to removing their arm coverings in theatre and to rolling up their sleeves when washing their hands, because it is regarded as immodest in Islam.

Universities and NHS trusts fear many more will refuse to co-operate with new Department of Health guidance, introduced this month, which stipulates that all doctors must be "bare below the elbow".

The measure is deemed necessary to stop the spread of infections such as MRSA and Clostridium difficile, which have killed hundreds.

Mohammed Asif #fundie telegraph.co.uk

Muslims have complained over a police advert featuring a puppy sitting in an officer's hat.

A police force has apologised to Islamic leaders for the "offensive" postcard advertising a new non-emergency telephone number, which shows a six-month-old trainee police dog named Rebel.

The German shepherd puppy has proved hugely popular with the public, hundreds of who have logged on to the force's website to read his online training diary.

But some Muslims in the Dundee area have reportedly been upset by the image because they consider dogs to be "ritually unclean", while shopkeepers have refused to display the advert.

But some Islamic scholars believe that dogs are impure and therefore 'haraam' - or forbidden - except for use in hunting or farming, and that it is not hygienic to keep a dog in the house.

They say that the "impurity of dogs is the greatest of animal impurities", and anyone who touches one must wash the body part that has come into contact with the animal seven times.

Mohammed Asif, a Dundee City councillor who sits on the Tayside Joint Police Board, said the postcards had been raised this week with John Vine, the chief constable.

He said: "My concern was that it is not welcomed by all communities, with the dog on the cards. It was probably a waste of resources going to these communities. The police should have understood.

"Since then the police have explained that it was an oversight on their part and that if they had seen it was going to cause upset they would not have done it.

"People who have shops just will not put up the postcard. But the police have said to me that it was simply an oversight and they did not seek to offend or upset."

Pakistani Tribesmen #fundie telegraph.co.uk

Israr Ullah Zehri, who represents Baluchistan province, told a stunned parliament that northwestern tribesman had done nothing wrong in first shooting the women and then dumping them in a ditch.

"These are centuries-old traditions, and I will continue to defend them," he said.

"Only those who indulge in immoral acts should be afraid."

The women, three of whom were teenagers and whose "crime" was that they wished to choose who to marry, were still breathing as mud and stones were shovelled over their bodies, according to Human Rights Watch.

The three girls, thought to be aged between 16 and 18, were kidnapped by a group of men from their Umrani tribe and murdered in Baba Kot, a remote village in Jafferabad district.

According to some reports, Baluchistan government vehicles were used to abduct the girls, and the killing was overseen by a tribal chief who is the brother of a provincial minister from the ruling Pakistan People's Party.

Some accounts said that two older relatives had tried to intervene, but they too were shot and buried alive with the teenagers.

More than six weeks after the deaths no one has been arrested and human rights groups have accused local authorities of trying to cover up the executions.

Mr Zehri told parliament that a fuss should not be made over the killings, however several politicians stood up in protest, describing the so-called honour killings as "barbaric".

Human Rights Watch described the murders as a "heinous criminal offence".

The Pakistani Daily News condemned the killings and called for those responsible to be brought to justice.

"Surely the government should be seeking the murderers, not protect (them) through some dark conspiracy of silence. The fact the act was 'kept quiet' means the government sympathises with such doings," an editorial said.

Michael Smith #fundie telegraph.co.uk

It may be true to some extent because Higher-IQ people have bigger egos as well. So despite all the evidence pointing to a supreme-being, a creator, an ultimate force governing the law of nature, they the egomaniacs think what they've acheived in their life is because they are so smart. All those atheist 7 agnostics out there, did you can not create a fly. Do you think you make babies with your semen or it is the God that makes the sperm and egg to convert to a baby? is the farmer who sows a seed makes the crops to grow or is it God that turn the seed into a plant?
So it is not higher-IQ, it is the Bigger ego that makes people to more likely to disbelieve in God. We all know, thatone may have a BIG ego without being intelligent.

At least 50 people #fundie telegraph.co.uk

At least 50 people have lost their sight after staring at the sun hoping to see an image of the Virgin Mary, according to reports.

[Snip]

The hotelier, who has since moved, had claimed that statues of the Virgin Mary in his house have been crying honey and bleeding oils and perfumes.

condate #fundie telegraph.co.uk

(on learning that the Boy Scouts are going to be allowing atheists)

This is an absolute disgrace. To allow the enemies of all that is good and right into the scouts, destroys the purpose of the organisation.

Dele #fundie telegraph.co.uk

Jesus teaches in Matthew 18:3 that in order to enter the kingdom of heaven, we must come as a child. Without child-like faith we cannot experience the Kingdom. Children naturally trust and believe easily unless they have been hurt or abused. It is tragic to find a fearful, non-trusting, and suspicious child. These are symptoms of emotional damage.

Glenn Beck #fundie telegraph.co.uk

[On the recent terrorist attacks in Norway.]

Beck said that the Labour party youth camp on the island, where 68 people were murdered, bore "disturbing" similarities to the Nazi party's notorious juvenile wing.

Beck, a multimillionaire darling of the Tea Party movement, said on his nationally-syndicated radio show: "There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler youth. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing."

Life #fundie telegraph.co.uk

The New World Order plans to kill 5 Billion of the global population with war ,Disease, starvation and of course their old favourite...malnutrition.
So this is just a part of their Eugenics programme. You have to begin to see that the elite in this world do not think, feel or have any relationship with the energy we call love as the majority of the people of the world have...They are the NEFILIM...The Dragons of legend with a differing genetic mix than the majority...This is the reason they interbreed only with their own...
DO NOT LET THEM LEGALISE DEATH FOR IT WILL SOON BECOME MURDER...Remember Harold Shipman?

Juergen Gansel #racist telegraph.co.uk

n a statement headed "Africa conquers the White House," Juergen Gansel, a deputy in the Saxony state legislature from the far-right National Democratic Party of Germany, said multicultural America was seeking the destruction of "pure" national cultures.

Accusing Mr Obama of aiming to destroy the US's "white identity", Mr Gansel said: "A non-white America is a declaration of war on all people who believe an organically grown social order based on language and culture, history and heritage to be the essence of humanity."

Warning that "Barack Obama hides this declaration of war behind his pushy sunshine smile," Mr Gansel, whose party sympathises with neo-Nazi groups, said that Mr Obama's election was the result of "the American alliance of Jews and Negroes".

whoopn #fundie telegraph.co.uk

Let's have us a little science here, rather than uneducated conjecture as seems to be so prevalent on this post. You know...all of these answers are out there and are easily tangible if you read the bible and do a little bit of research that doesn't involve atheists and their pithy opinions.

Read this:
http://www.drdino.com/the-star-of-bethlehem-fact-or-fiction

Stop believing every atheist is smart, they are generally children looking for a place among the greats but sadly they have no greater accomplishment then trash talking what they do not understand. Nearly every great scientist was Christian: Newton, Maxwell, Legrange, and the list is huge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science).

The reason for this is they didn't spend all of their waking hours trying to disprove and everpresent fact. There is a God, He sent is Son to reconcile us to Him by taking our Sin and NAILING it to a cross.
Yes there was a virgin birth and no that is not normal.

Yes Jesus lived and died a sinless and unmarried God/man.

No the church is not perfect and never will be, in fact if you find a perfect church don't join it...you'll only mess it up.

No being Christian isn't about living your life trying not to sin, if it were then we'd all sit and do nothing so we couldn't sin. The POINT was that we WOULD do something, that we would tell the world about Christ's sacrifice so that you all can know Him.

Going to Heaven isn't about WHAT you know, its about WHO you know.

St. Peter is NOT standing at some pearly gate, the gate keeper is Christ and no one else.

And if you like to think of Christians as stupid and ignorant fools that have to leave their brains at the door when they go to church then you are sorely mistaken. To know Christ and to understand Him is the most deeply involving mental task you will ever try to undertake, and without Christ's salvation and the holy spirit living inside you one can NOT understand.

I don't judge you, I simply point out the fact that you can't stop judging others because of your own fear that everything I am typing is true and you know it.

John Bunyan #fundie telegraph.co.uk

[Regarding two male priests marrying one another]

Any priest who can sanction this evil has no Gospel to preach. Jesus taught that He and He alone can save sinners from hell. Sodomy is a sin. Unrepentant sinners go to hell. Too bad Williams is so New Age that he can't see the hoof prints of the horned one in the Blasphemy of these false teachers participating in the Eucharist. The Telegraph comments should confirm to all those who love the Truth that
a - the world has not changed -
b - the Church of England is a false Church - it is in fact the Church of the Antichrist and those who think unrepentant homosexuals will inherit the Kingdom of God are the false teachers we are warned of in Jude.
c - Christ will return soon.
The hatred for the Apostle Paul is sufficient to know that the doctrine of these men is the doctrine of demons.
Save by Grace alone. These people have now blasphemed the Holy Spirit -
remember the words of Scripture Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Woe to the priests for they have served Baal.

John Whittle #fundie telegraph.co.uk

(About the LHC)

A big CON-CERN to everyone obviously. But who's being conned eh? The big bang theory is only theory. Why waste so much precious money on theoretical wishy washy wishful thinking, which may or may not prove anything. No wonder there's so much anger in peoples' hearts when there are human beings suffering for lack of essentials. Stinks don't it? If the gnostics want some evidence of creation all they have to is read the first chapter of the Bible. There's far more facts to hold onto in the truth, than there is in theory. How much will this information cost? Nothing. Now that's something to be CON-CERN-ED about...