The fact that various people who claim to be Christians work in this branch of science [evolutionary biology] doesn't alter that one iota. Take a good hard look at the people who profess to be Christian, and ask yourself how many of them even come close to the ideals set by Jesus. Is it any surprise that they have abandoned his teachings?
[To someone who pointed out faith isn't banned from schools]umm where have you been? yes it is all banned. you cant even as much wisper the name of Jesus without being kicked out of school and sued.
then if no creator then how can their be a creation? Even in your theory the Molecules Collided....wouldnt that in theory make the molecules the creator?
If we're going to give those living the gay 'lifestyle' special rights, we must grant arsonists rights as 'fire bug' Americans, pedophiles rights as 'pederast' Americans, thieves rights as 'sticky finger' Americans, et cetera. You might as well flush the whole thing down the toilet.
Presenting the type of arguement someone may be using to that person just makes it sound like you're just trying to come of as overly intelligent and, honestly, to me makes one sound ignorant of the actual topic at hand. Almost like a diversionary tactic. You do NOT have to title someones arguement in order to debate. It sounds ignorant.
Yes, you or someone must be there to witness the event in order to record it. The Astronauts were there to record the moon landing. Are you not familiar with the 'scientific method'?
Why do you think a homosexual lifestyle doesn't hurt others? I believe a homosexual lifestyle does affect others, just like pornography, masturbation, and smoking pot hurts others. [Emphasis added]
gay marriage is an abomination. I wonder how many of you criticizing the vatican actually even go to church. Liberals are so closed minded...
The difference is that when REASON was still the order of the day (read: preDarwin) most scientists DROPPED a theory when no evidence was found to support it.
I think making love should be saved for marriage and only to make children. Inbetween our children, we have tried very hard to abstain. It's been nearly 9 months since our 4th son Malachi was born. Sex is for animals, love making for children in marriage.
You and your cohorts may have convinced yourselves that evolution is fact and in believing, you prop up your godless view of the universe which is really what this is all about, isn't it? You hate God and you hate anyone who loves Him.
Realize, however, that someone who's a true, hardcore athiest is usually so because of an emotional experience, and not an intellectual one, as this argument demonstrates. The point being, you can't fight emotion with intellect. Somehow emotion wins out every time.
You Athiests really can't handle the truth can ya. Move my thread, close my thread, and worse CAN'T ANSWER MY THREAD... how just and fair of you ATHIESTS or if I'm not spelling it write, I'll call you what the Bible rightly calls you FOOLS.
Why a big bang, why not just a bang, or a little bang... why couldn't the bang be the size of a pea. Why wouldn't the bang keep on banging, what set the paramerters of the size of this bang for it to be any size that it can be claimed to be a big bang or is that claim false, if its false why claim it to be a big bang. Sounds like a bit of spice put on something to sell me something... Well i aint buying it. i'm sure there are a lot of fools that have.
everyone seems to be missing the point so i will say it again. God created everything. evolution says that a entirely new substance was created.
... why, if she is so ill they are taking the chances [by having sex]? Yes I realize there are needs in a marriage, but when it can kill the woman or a baby why take that chance?
Addressed to all Angry, Obscene & Offensive Atheists: I am David Mathews and have come here to provoke you to reveal your anger, your bitterness, your hate, your bigotry, your prejudice and every other flaw of your dismal and hopeless soul. The more obscene and offensive you are the better. Don't restrain yourself. Let go of your inhibitions!
I realized just how poor of a job I was doing living my life. It became painfully obvious that I could not do what I should be doing on my own, I needed help... God has a way of breaking you down to make room for Him... hopefully Jesus will find you <u>in the same way</u>. [Emphasis added]
really though... i was just messing around before... i am seriously curious about the views of an atheist...
I am not in a cult. I am a born again, bible-believing Christian! That is not a cult! To all of you, I can say on judgment day that I told you that GOD was real, but you just mocked me. You will see that GOD is real when you see HIM as your judge. It will be too late for you to accept HIM then, so I urge you to please accept HIM now!
[Replying to 'Still not seeing the connection']Propaganda. I even saw a TV commercial in the past year showing someone with a bar code on their head. <u>This stuff is done to desensitize us to technology that could potentially track us.</u>
there are no....whatver the fancy name is for them...in-between-species for humans. All the so-called missing-links people find have been proven to be common monkey skulls or pig teeth or people w/ down's syndrome.
If you talk in a non religious sense you don't have the right for anything. Awww you don't get a lawyer ? Tough shit, get over it. Awww you got murdered? Tough shit, only the strong survive. You have to get religious before you start mentioning rights.
We, as Christians, have a legal right to have our employees pray. We are not violating their 'freedom of religion' (or freedom to go to Hell in some cases) by praying to Jesus.
I think you're trying to turn this into something it's not. You can't equate personally rejecting Christ with not believing the accuracy of a historical account. [...] This is apples to oranges stuff. If you don't believe Jesus rose from the dead, then you're rejecting your only hope to escape the punishment we all deserve for our sins.
Carbon dating is innacurate! I wish I could qoute the source for this but I can't. Anyway a carbon test was done on something and found to be millions of years old when it was know to be only a few hundred years old.
That seams improper to me, the more proper term would just be bang since they chose to stay with a term based on exageration i have just reason to remain skepitcal and that there are other motivations at work here. Don't be a sucker dude, there fooling you they don't want your pie to go to the chuch they wan't it to go to them. Find out the real reason why the theroy is still call the big bang...
The point of Darwins book was to prove blacks were uneaquil and thatis still the basis for sosialism.
[Replying to 'how can mentally retarded people accept Jesus?']I believe that people with disabilities that severe could recieve him by believing in him through their mind. They may not be able to communicate like me or you but they can still trust him through their understanding no matter how limited that their mind is.
Sure, REAL Christianity would be destroyed [if evolution was established]. False Christianity might continue. I'm sure the JW's and Mormons would go on. They could just join one of those.
all i have to say is: look outside!! you can't say that all of nature just came into being, just popped up out of no where. thats hard for me to believe. thats like saying whenever i want to eat the food is just goin to appear. its easier to believe in God than that stuff.
It won't do any good to quibble about how 'successful' naturalisitc science has been. This can only be attributed to pure chance.
they [humans and velociraptors] did encounter each other, but since writing wasnt very prevalent and they were considered a 'normal' animal noone wrote it down.
Have you dug up the entire earth? (I would assume not) Then how do you know that somewhere out there there aren't dino anbd horse fosils lying together. But, the only other thing would be that they lived in different habitats, or that they just didn't die together. But that doesn't bean they didn't live together, or that they didn't live in the same time period.
haven't you heard the latest scientific theory? A lot of the scientists are now thinking that the big bang theory was just a theory. And that the universe just always existed. They are beginning to rethink it because there are too many "holes" (black holes and the red shift) that can't be answered with the big bang theory. Have to keep up with this stuff you know. Sooner or later, they will discover the truth. And their worst fear is that the Bible is right.
You would essentially have to believe, or else face the consequences listed in the Bible. I would imagine you would still be bitter toward God, because he is essentially 'forcing' you to believe through proof.
With the way some atheists act alot of the time, I'm surprised they don't go out killing believers with any excuse they can. No, wait. They did! In Russia! And, of course using the atheist way of looking at things that logically implicates atheists everywhere as mass murderers! Yay!
Ignorance is not proof against God. You make yuorself look foolish when you claim someone has a "god of gaps" theory, when they don't.
Now in terms of this research? It is easy to see where this will eventually lead. ALL people who are believers in Jesus Christ (especially funda'mental'ists) will eventually be considered 'mentaly challenged' and a threat to the next stage of mans evolution. If you think not? Just sit back and watch.
let me break it down
If u call urself a democrat u believe...
Abortion is always ok
we should never use missles or go to war
no one but cops should carry guns
we should make pot legal(yes its true)
gays and lesbians can marry
If u call urself a republican u believe...
Abortion is wrong in every sense of the word
there are times for war and times to use missles
u should have a gun if u are responsable ITS OUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
all drugs are wrong period
gays and lesbians shouldnt marry nor adopt children
I PERSONNALY hate our goverment system because it is run by democrats almost and when democrats ran the country they pass all the stupid laws so yea im a republican
Radioactive dating has been refuted, and the fossil layers have also been refuted.
Why do jews go back and forth on this issue? Oh that's right, they are only a religious group when it suits them, and both when it suits them.
However, Young Earth advocates have identified quite a few Young Earth chronometers in recent years. Currently, there are approximately five times more natural chronometers indicating a 'Young Earth' than an 'Old Earth.'
Have you any children? And if you lost one would you want to believe you never again could have the chance to see that child. A soboring thorugt. A ugly world you must live.
I told them of the places in the [Harry Potter] books where it is NOT fiction - but actual spells, actual book titles, actual people that had been steeped in the occult. They sat there with their mouths hanging open, because they had had no idea.
If i could stand there personally and show you, 666 is in the barcode... its not something you can just glance at and be like 'oh hey there is 666 this bag of chips is doomed to hell!!! hahaha' If it was that obvious it probly would be harder to market. Its there though i promise and go ahead and mock me... Its ok i got no hate for ignorance just no understanding.
You seem to ignore God's mercy. You don't believe in a merciful God; He's just a myth to people like you. Because you live like animals you want to die like animals.
It don't hurt anything to believe in Jesus Christ and it ends up being a lie.
[Replying to thread started by another Christian; the topic title was provocative, but what was said was that the Bible should be respected but taken with a grain of salt because it was written for the ancients]
too long, didnt read, but i completely disagree with your thread title and it doesnt matter what you wrote, because you can never prove that your right. so shut up and stop trying to destroy the faith of the people that truly believe in the bible. your really stupid if you tink you can convince people that the bible is wrong, because its not wrong, its right because i believe its right.
Thinking without the bible is like a carpenter trying to work without his tools.