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I concede that, yes, most Americans do believe in equality. I will also tell you that most Americans don't give a rip about who is gay and who is not. Also, I'll tell you that LGBTQ activist do not believe in equality as they falsely claim while they destroy Christian businesses and lives.I will also tell you there is a world of difference between a homosexual who lives their life leaving other people and children alone and the LGBTQ activists who would turn America in to Sodom or Gomorrah in the proverbial New York heartbeat if they could ... starting with children (Ask the Boy Scouts Of America). Most Americans are sick and tired of what LGBTQ activism is doing to this country. Yes, I know there are gay people who are not involved in all that crap, but in case you missed it, I'm not talking about those folks. I also know what a pride filled, sanctimonious bully is, and every LGBTQ activist in the country is exactly that, and MOST Americans are sick and tired of the bullying crap dedicated to undermining the true strength of any stable culture, the family of one man, one woman and kids who know which one is which ... we are bone tired of LGBTQ activists telling us we have to embrace and celebrate their "pride", not to mention the repeated, intentional, money stealing and life destroying assaults on the business of Christian people for failing to do so.

I'm retired now. The reason I retired was that on my last job, in the break room, there was a story repeated every morning before work, every morning break, every lunch time and every afternoon break about a black football player who announce to the world that he was gay. I made the comment that I was sick and tired of people on the news day after day saying that it didn't matter if he is gay or not and if it didn't matter, it'd be great if they'd just move on and talk about something else. A fellow employee sitting next to me said "He's a hero!" And I said, "No, he's not. He's an opportunist whose going to make a fortune either playing football or by writing a book and playing the victim. Either way, for him, it's a win win situation and I'm tired of hearing it". For that, this individual reported me to human resources and threatened my job. I just happened to be ready to retire anyway, so I did. I made two mistakes: I failed to see the man as a hero just because he was black and I failed to see him as a hero just because he told the whole world he enjoys sexx with other men.

In addition to that, I could write volumes on how LGBTQ activists have been assaulting and undermining my country for decades now. Beginning with the coining of the falsely invented word "homophobia" which first appeared in the book "society and the healthy homosexual" where in the author asserted that men who don't embrace homosexuality are suffering from an un-natural fear of their own gender. That assertion is pure crap, but like all leftist bullies, the LGBTQ used the lie as a foundation to build castles in the air, and now they seek to make us all take up residency in that phony, fairy-tale utopian kingdom in the sky. So spare me your know-it-all crap about how loving and kind and decent LGBTQ activists are. I know better. To me, LGBTQ activists are just a bunch of bullying, subversive, morally delinquent, hetero-phobic pontificates who don't give a rip about anything but themselves. Just exactly as they are described in Romans Chapter One.

I have told you the truth, which, unlike yourself, I did not claim to be my truth, but instead Biblical truth. But you are too convinced that you know it all, you won't seriously consider any thing that disagrees with you. Like an old and foolish king who will no longer be admonished, you think your opinion is unassailable just because it's yours.

I happen to be one of those Americans who couldn't care less who is gay and who isn't .. so long as they leave me, my kids, my grand kids, everybody else's kids in the public schools, private businesses and my country alone. Honestly, do you think there is any chance of that, or do you think the rest of the country has it coming for not teaching our children to celebrate that kind of crappy "pride"?

I'll even go you one more: As a soldier back in the day, I would have preferred a gay man in a foxhole with me who would put up a hard fight than a straight man who wouldn't. Some things really are just "common sense". The problem is, like all bullying, pontificating political leftists, LGBTQ activists think common sense is a thought crime and defending it is a hate crime.

Further discussion is pointless. It makes no difference what you think you know about the Bible, how superior you think you are to it or why you think you are. Further discussion is pointless.

I'm just gonna block you. If you feel the need to argue the point more, may I suggest you do it looking in the mirror at someone who'll buy what you're handing out just because it's you handing it out.

pastoredsmith:
There is nothing in atheism except denial. Denial, when it comes to refuting the truth about God, is a religion. You worship your own logic. And, my congregation is doing well. Perhaps you should join us. God will change your miserable, imaginary life into one of purpose.

bumsmcgee:
They are not that different than you. They just add one more God they don’t believe in to the list you yourself use. Your threats are just your own paranoid revenge fantasy. You can’t handle being disagreed with.

pastoredsmith:
You don't know me, yet you continue your fake insults. Typical of an atheist who knows he can't win the argument using his own logic. Don't know who said it, but they are right...... "
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers." Had to be an atheist that said that.

bumsmcgee:
Yeah, it’s always the atheists people like you give the blame to. Anyway what I said is true. I just disbelieve one more God than you do.

pastoredsmith:
"people like you give blame to..." No, that is not true. "Blame" is not "given" it comes from actions. FFRF, the bullies you represent, are the people who are trying to stifle all voices but those who line up with them. It is atheists who want to rewrite textbooks and omit the obvious Christian influence on the formation of the USA and all the good that is being done. I've never seen an atheist hospital nor an atheist food pantry. How about an atheist version of the Salvation Army that feeds and clothes the needy. None exist. The absence of God in a life is equal to the absence of true, genuine love; for only in God can that kind of love be found. I don't hate you, although you certainly have insinuated the opposite of that here. To tell the truth is not to hate, it is to set the record straight. I pray you find your way home from your atheism before it is too late for you.

bumsmcgee:
You're just reinforcing my point. Atheism is an opinion and that's all it is. We don't form clubs and organizations, except in cases where religion oversteps its boundaries. And I know of Christians who side with groups like the FFRF on occasion because your side DOES occasionally champion political causes they have no business being involved with. If no one is there to keep your side in line, you'll get away with murder.

pastoredsmith:
Wrong. Your point is that atheists think they can command the government. You think that by sending a threatening letter to a school, you can prevent a Christian teacher from laying a Bible on her desk. You think that you can silence Christians in the public arena, but you will never accomplish that. You think that you have authority over Christians in matters of free speech, but you don't. And, it is NOT atheists job to "Keep your side in line." You are not the gods you claim to disbelieve. And, I can always tell when an atheist has lost an argument. The slander comes forth. Murder? You don't believe in the 10 Commandments, if you truly don't believe in God, then you don't believe in the Bible. So, it is not I who commits that which I believe is wrong.

bumsmcgee:
You are WRONG

Atheists have no desire to command or control the government. The point is, they strongly desire that faith-minded people like YOU don't either. You are convinced you have the TRUTH but all you have is faith, and many reasonable people disagree with the heavy-handed things you try to hammer through. People like you believe abortion is murder when it is NOT, not by the definition of the dictionary nor the definition of the law. If you had your way, people would be thrown in jail for not worshipping your holy book and homosexuals would be jailed or worse. We have the right and the desire to be protected from people like you.

pastoredsmith:
No, I am RIGHT. Atheists DO want to control and command the government. Atheists ARE trying to silence Christians. I notice that you don't focus your efforts on Muslims. Only Christians. And, I have the truth....faith in the truth is easy. All you have is faith in the vein babblings of man's wild imagination. You have no basis for morality, as you think one thing and the next guy something, so there is no base line to build on....like a building with no foundation. And, you add much to what I am as opposed to the monster you make me out to be. I believe in freedom for all; including atheists, homosexuals and the like. No, I never advocated anyone be thrown in jail for their beliefs. And, the "protection" you seek from "people like you" is exactly my point. You don't want protection any more than gays "only wanted to get married." you want to fundamentally change society to jail "people like me" who dare express the truth. All this and you still hide behind a "handle." You are a coward, stenching the world from behind your private little curtain. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..." he is only a babbling atheist. If you wish to discuss, fine, But, stop the insults. I'll talk with you, but you won't slander me further.

bumsmcgee:
We have seen pastors calling for the execution of gay people. For that reason and that reason alone we need to be protected from the likes of you. You want your faith-based beliefs to be laws. You want a woman's right to choose to be taken away, and this is strictly based on your faith. You are RELIGION, we should have the right to say NO to you and we need to be protected from you.

pastoredsmith:
You have seen confused individuals who call themselves "pastors" calling for execution because someone is gay. Why do you care anyway? Are you gay? A woman's right to choose? What about the BABY's rights? After all, you say you are a person of science who hides behind that mask, right? So, if a whale fetus is a baby whale, what makes you think a fetus is not a human baby? From conception? You are no scientist. You are a hypocrite. And, I am NOT "religion." Religion does kill. Ask any Muslim who'd love to chop off your head because you are an atheist. People are very much imperfect; even and maybe especially some who call themselves "Christians." Can you testify to the good moral character of all atheists? No, you can't. No, you don't need protection from me. That's not what you seek. You seek silence of Christians; the very people who are doing good in this culture. Silence the hospitals and food pantry's and the clothing banks and all the good things that we (I) am involved with. You have lumped us in with radical religion because there is a fringe who are idiots, such as the "church" in Topeka that boycotts military funerals. These people are not Christians and hide behind the wall of lies they put up that is painted to look Christian. Sir, you need protection from someone, I'll agree. That someone is yourself. Your own twisted mind causes you to conjure up lies about me because you *think* I'm guilty of them. You couldn't be more wrong.

bumsmcgee:
What do you mean, "why do you care anyway?" Some religious lunatic decides that all gay people should be put to death, and wants to see the government enact such craziness? There are stats that say 1 in 10 people are LGBT. I care VERY MUCH that a guy calling himself a Christian Pastor would like to have the power to basically call for genocide. And this is something you defend?

The fact you're calling a fetus/zygote/embryo a "baby" tells me you're not being entirely reasonable. Of course I don't see abortion as something that is good. The thing is, most of the women put in that agonizing position don't either. But you don't look at individual situations AT ALL. You just say it's murder (it's not) and that's that. And once again, you want the government to enforce it. Yet another very good reason why the FFRF exists and why we have the right to be protected from people like you.

If the two examples above are the "good moral character" you insist Christians have, and criticize atheists for not having, I think can I safely rest my case. People like you scare the living daylights out of me.