RE: I'm an atheist, but I'm glad Roe was overturned
I agree with you, maybe my only tangent would be with “fetal life still experiences pain and suffering”
I think the creature experiencing pain or not is irrelevant, many pro baby killing arguments say a fetus can be aborted before it’s physically able to feel pain, that’d be the same as saying someone who’s unconscious can just be killed because they don’t want to continue providing for them and they’re not experiencing pain anyways.
Beyond inflicting suffering or pain the sanctity of human life should be preserved over anything, everybody has the right to experience life and do whatever they want with it.
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Except that a fetus is not yet alive! Certainly not as an independent organism! At the point it’s (normally) allowed to be aborted still, a fetus is nothing more than a parasitic clump of cells. There is no life in it yet!
But you know what IS alive? The mother. Who can die from complications in a pregnancy, especially if she is still a minor who happened to be raped!!
Very dubious that you're an atheist, because you are ignoring science like neurology, in favor of the same taboos and narratives, like the misleading "pro baby killing", then "sanctity of human life". This reminds me of dubious testimonials in the Jehovah's Witnesses literature of people who were supposedly "evolutionists" but who obviously never understood much of biology because their conclusion is the same as the misled claims creationists make. This is called misleading propaganda by testimonial, by "concern troll".
...and are you prepared to look after all the unwanted babies as a result of Roe vs. Wade's overturning?
Or would that cause too much pain and suffering on the sanctity of your personal life, Due_Liar...?!
Y'all might rejoice over roe vs wade being overturned, but Becareful what you wish for, it may lead to rather unpleasant unforseen consequences.
Croquemitaine #134273
How does any of that make being an atheist dubious?
Just because the fundie side thinks it's fine to talk about atheism as "a (single, well defined) religion" doesn't mean we should follow and make underinformed assumptions about peoples' beliefs for vague reasons.
I keep misreading that as ‘elitist’ instead of ‘atheist’. Which is kind of true, I get a strong elitist “I’m not one of those dirty slutty sluts that sluts around and has abortions !!’ vibe from a lot of these anti-Roe posts.
Also, they keep repeating “it wasn’t in the constitution” like that means the founders gave a shit about it. They didn’t. That’s why it’s not in the constitution. It was considered a women’s thing and thus not even important to consider when thinking about the country. It became criminalized only in the late 19th century when a super religious night watchmen decided he needed to do something about all the prostitutes trying to have abortions. Not because he wanted to save them but because he weirdly obsessed with their unborn babies and decided it was just another way they were immoral. The kid was supposed to be punishment for their wayward ways. It was entirely between a woman and her midwife up to that point and that’s where it needs to stay now, between a woman and her healthcare provider and that’s it! It’s none of anybody else’s business. Not some politician’s or religious asshole’s business. Not even her friends or the rest of her family’s business unless she wants to tell them.
This is all about punishing women. All women. And fundie women, don’t you dare think you’re safe. All you Serena Joys are going to end up paying in the end right along with the rest of us.
@RisenRoysy #134298
kinda iffy on an atheistic claim for the sanctity of human life, myself. could be they mean value, and are just using theistic terms carelessly, but that also needs review. what is the atheist’s basis for this argument,, if not just parroting views they don’t really share.
no, it’s not like euthanizing an unconscious person. It would, however, be akin to removing a brain-dead person from life support, which we already do all the time with the approval of their next of kin…which in the case of the fetus, would be the mother. So whose business is it otherwise?
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