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Quote# 142901

Re: I Am an Abortion Rights Activist. I Hope the Supreme Court Overturns Roe v. Wade.

(Dale Pape)
Clearly it's a hot topic amoung politico's leftist readers looking at the comment section not a single legit comment.

Alex I would be careful what you wish for, you might just find in the 21st century the burality of killing babies in the womb might be seen as a bit stonage.

I can only imagin how you would react to some poor litter of kittens being dump on the streets of Detroit .. Oh the horror no doubt but killing a baby human in the womb well thats just fine with your ilk.

(Rob Hruska)
Do you think the State can compel you to give blood transfusions to a stranger, if it is the only way to keep that stranger alive?

Of course you don't. But you think it's OK for the State to compel a woman to do so.

The root of the anti-abortion movement is not about protecting babies (babies whom the Right is happy to throw into cages). The root is about denying women full and equal rights. Full stop. If you really cared about babies, you'd support a) free birth control, b) free pre-natal care, c) free child care and welfare for mothers. But you don't support any of those things, do you.


Wow, that is some twisted logic.

(Stan Olson)
What about the Father's rights? Of course in too many cases the Mother doesn't know who the Father is.

(Tom Genin)
The entire flaw in your logic of "choice" is that the pregnant woman didn't already excercise a number of choices to get to that point, whereas the theoretical blood donor in your scenario had no choice. Moreover, while I'm pro-life, I'm not for elimintinating the right to abortion, but the 20 week cap is reasonable.

Simply put, we as a whole are not evolved enough to value life if we'd ever consider abortion as an option for our personal benefit. That's not a knock on anyone who's made that difficult choice, it's pointing out that unless society as a whole is on the same page with that kind of care and support, you can't condemn the least capable to carry the burden of the aspirations of others.

The simplest test of our own perception is if you see a pregnant teen. The reality is that we don't separate the wonder and value of the creation of life from the act. If you look at that teen and think "how wonderful, another child" without thinking of all of the derogatory things that people may say at the same time, you're in the minority of humanity. That teen's decision on whether to bring the child to term is therefore not just a reflection of her own desires, but a reflection of society as a whole.

We can't legislate that kind of societal change to care for life irrespective of circumstance. Illegal abortions would certainly then happen, and that's not serving anyone or society. Far better to limit it to a reasonable period and aspire that we're all better about providing care for life in the future.

Various commenters, Politico 9 Comments [3/21/2019 12:33:33 AM]
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Quote# 142874

(-Authors Note: Not sure if this is "Fundie" as I have genuine sympathy for this woman as I would a victim of Stockholm Syndrome. Really this should go out to the churches who had influenced her. So if it doesn't make the cut, delete it-)

“I couldn’t reconcile the ‘God Hates Fags’ signs I saw with the idea of a God who loved me. I thought of Christians as intolerant, hateful, bigoted, and uneducated. It seemed impossible that my feelings about His people could ever change.” – Hope Harris
“Angry and unjust – that’s exactly how I described the God I was protesting at gay rights events years ago,” said Hope Harris. “I couldn’t reconcile the ‘God Hates Fags’ signs I saw with the idea of a God who loved me. I thought of Christians as intolerant, hateful, bigoted, and uneducated. It seemed impossible that my feelings about His people could ever change. “I’ve been screaming for acceptance since I was a young girl. It started when my mother was murdered in front of my eyes when I was four years old. As I moved through the foster care system, I endured both physical and sexual abuse. It seemed like God had truly abandoned me. I was raised by the same foster family I was placed with after my mother’s death.

“By the time I was in my mid-20s, I was an out loud and proud lesbian. I publicly advocated for gay rights and samesex marriage. But my world came to a screeching halt in 2006 when I was in a car wreck that almost took my life. Bedridden for a year-and-a-half, I had a lot of time for soul searching. There was a lot of friction in the relationship with my partner because I had been the workhorse of our home, and the accident took that away. I tried meditation, counseling, and other measures to deal with my emotional pain, with varying degrees of success.
“In 2008, a woman who I had a crush on invited me on a trip with her to East Texas. I remember her asking me what I most wanted in life, and I told her that I wanted peace of mind and heart. She shared the gospel with me, and I learned that Jesus gives peace that ‘the world cannot give.’ (John 14:27) I wanted the peace He had to offer, but I knew it would cost me a lot.

“On February 14, 2009, I trusted in the free gift of grace available to me through Jesus Christ. I was still in a relationship, and when I told her I had become a Christian, she asked me not to come home again. When I did return, I was shut out of both my house and bank account. I couch surfed for a while, trying to figure out what to do next. “I ended up moving to Longview, Texas – an unlikely place since I assumed Texans were politically incorrect people who hated lesbians. I sure didn’t want to go to church there, but the church secretary of a local congregation invited me. With fear and trembling I attended, and I liked it enough to eventually start volunteering at the church’s food pantry. That church turned out to be a safe place, and it immersed me into a community of Christians. Eventually, I even moved onto the church staff.

“I started coming to a discipleship ministry called Living Hope in Dallas. That’s where I met my friend, Sue Bohlin, a member at Watermark. She helped me develop the practice of reading God’s Word daily. Following Watermark’s Join the Journey Bible reading plan, I read through Paul’s letters in 2011. I had the choice to either reject the Bible or believe it was absolutely true. Through time in Scripture, God began addressing deeply-held mindsets I had regarding sexual and relational brokenness. The Lord helped me find my primary identity as His child, rather than as a lesbian.

“I read Mark 8:34-37, in The Message translation where Jesus says, ‘Self-sacrifice is the way, my way, to saving yourself, your true self. What good would it do to get everything you want and lose you, the real you?’ Through God’s Word, I learned that self-sacrifice meant surrendering the right to my sexuality and who I thought I was and choosing to believe in God, who tells me who I really am.

“While my feelings and attractions have not changed, what has changed is that, rather than living to please myself, I live to please the Lord. God’s Word is the leading force in my life. For about three years, I’ve been in a community group of women who have locked arms with me as we follow Jesus. Of all the changes God has made, walking with others who love me and point me to Jesus has been the most significant. I have learned that God is faithful, trustworthy, and worthy of our surrender and obedience.

“When I share my story with skeptics, I want them to know that same-sex attraction is really a hunger problem. I thought that relationships with other women would meet my needs, but the only love that truly satisfies is found in Jesus, the bread of life. (John 6:35) On my own, I have no power to change. Because my deepest, longings and desires are met in Jesus, my heart has been transformed.”
“Calling the crowd to join his disciples, he said, ‘Anyone who intends to come with me has to let me lead. You’re not in the driver’s seat; I am. Don’t run from suffering; embrace it. Follow me, and I’ll show you how. Self-help is no help at all. Self-sacrifice is the way, my way, to saving yourself, your true self. What good would it do to get everything you want and lose you, the real you? What could you ever trade your soul for?’” (Mark 8:34–37, The Message)

Hope Harris, Watermark 3 Comments [3/18/2019 10:05:22 AM]
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Quote# 142764

Alabama judge allows teen to sue on behalf of aborted fetus

A teenager in Alabama is suing an abortion clinic for terminating the life of his unborn child against his wishes. On Tuesday, an Alabama county court recognized the aborted fetus, "Baby Roe," as a plaintiff in the lawsuit, making the case one of the first of its kind, his lawyer said.

Ryan Magers, 19, of Madison County, claims his girlfriend got a medicated abortion at the Alabama Women's Center for Reproductive Alternatives in Huntsville in February 2017 when she was six weeks pregnant, according to legal documents, even though he urged her not to terminate the pregnancy. Alabama recognizes the personhood of a fetus, so Magers is suing on behalf of the fetus and himself.

ABORTION SURVIVORS ON NEW LATE-TERM ABORTION BILLS: 'WHERE WERE MY RIGHTS IN THE WOMB?'

“Baby Roe’s innocent life was taken by the profiteering of the Alabama Women’s Center and while no court will be able to bring Baby Roe back to life, we will seek the fullest extent of justice on behalf of Baby Roe and Baby Roe’s father,” Attorney Brent Helms said in a statement. “The time is ripe for consistency in Alabama’s jurisprudence: either we fully acknowledge the personhood of the unborn or we cherry pick which innocents we protect and which ones we trash for profit.”

Ryan Magers and Brent Helms, Fox News 13 Comments [3/12/2019 4:02:28 PM]
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Quote# 142889

Sermon 9: Modest Dressing

By Bro. Steven R.

1 Timothy 2:9 “In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array”

Deuteronomy 22:5 “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.”

Let’s talk about an important issue. I witnessed a “Christian conference” at a nearby college campus where women were wearing daisy dukes and crop tops that exposed their bellies or low cut shirts that exposed their breasts! I also saw a man in a dress!! This was some Episcopalian or ELCA thing so I shouldn’t be surprised but they claim that they are doing this in the name of Christ! Have these liberal Hillary lovers ever even picked up their bibles? Do their pastors approve of this sultry dressing and cross dressing? If they do, these pastors will be judged even more severely in Hell if they are actively promoting this nonsense in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and leading these young adults to Hell!!!!!!!

What on earth are these people thinking? These men were wearing shorts as well and tank tops even though God hath commanded His people to dress modestly! No $500 watches, no $750 iPhone XR, no $300 Nintendo Switch, no $2,000 necklace, give your money to your local church instead of these multinational companies that exploit laborers in China because China is an atheist godless nation that has zero concern for their fellow man due to following the secular religion of Marxism! Hypocrites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you ever see this mockery of Christ in a Baptist church, leave! Never go back! They don’t have the saltiness that Christ wants and saith in Matthew!!!! No more lukewarm “Christianity” that accepts sodomites and transsexuals and whores and drunkards and thieves and liars! It ends now! Don’t tolerate it any further! “Mainline Protestantism” and the “non-denominational” movement are shams meant to trick unwitting people to Hell! Get yourself into a good IFB today if you truly are a saved person believing upon the Lord Jesus Christ!!!!

Steven R., SimplyChristian 19 Comments [3/19/2019 12:51:41 PM]
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Quote# 142416

Gayism is the promotion of gay politics and lifestyle, whether its at home or in the office.

No, there is no straightism, because there is no "straight". There is only a normal sexual default, whereas Gayism is the promotion of gay politics and lifestyle as popularly promoted on the internet as a social movement.

David, Premier 11 Comments [3/15/2019 6:27:25 PM]
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Quote# 142488

[in reply to an opinion article, "Brett Kavanaugh is an Entitled Narcissist in Opening Statement", about the Senate hearing where he was accused of molesting three women]

Kavanaugh was authentic in his opening speech. He is a human being with feelings -not a zombie - and rightly outraged over the unfathomable way he and his family have been egregiously treated. It’s exceedingly shameful, unconscionable and yes, evil, how he’s been maliciously slandered, and his life has been devastated.

Ginny Bain Allen, Patheos 5 Comments [3/15/2019 6:40:14 PM]
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Quote# 142737

(Dan Reed is the director of a "documentary" (a hit-piece really) called Leaving Neverland, which is about Michael Jackson and aims to smear him as a predator based on the word of people known for lying.)

(LA Times Question): "Both Robson and Safechuck previously testified in court that Jackson never abused them, and now they say they lied because they have since come to terms with what was done to them. Were you skeptical of their stories going into this?"

(Dan Reed): When Wade told me that he loved Michael, then everything suddenly crystallized and made sense. This is difficult to say, but he had a fulfilling sexual and emotional relationship at the age of 7 with a 30-year-old man who happened to be the King of Pop. And because he enjoyed it, he loved Michael, and the sex was pleasant. I’m sorry, that’s just the reality.

Dan Reed, LA Times 7 Comments [3/15/2019 6:50:30 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 142818

For those who understand the occult and their subversive agenda for a New World Order, you know that the theme of rebellion (represented by the number 13) is commonly used in the rock music industry, particularly heavy metal. From AC/DC's song “Shoot To Thrill,” to Ozzy Osbourne's song “ Suicide,” murder and death are promoted by the bands. AC/DC's song “She'll Be All Night Long,” has almost become the national anthem in America, which promotes the woeful sin of fornication (which has become prevalent across America). Another popular song beloved by Americans is AC/DC's blasphemous, “Highway To Hell.” Music doesn't make people sin, but it inspires sinful people to commit sin, stirring unholy passions. Adulterous men make adulterous movies that inspire adulterous people! The Devil knows just how to encourage people to sin! There are certain types of music that our flesh likes, but we ought not listen to. That is why I don't listen to Heavy Metal, even though it is appealing. Rock singers and band members have often been called “gods.” Men and women throw themselves at celebrities, surrendering their will and body to them, which is ungodly!

Rock singers are liars! I heard Angus and Malcolm Young from AC/DC explaining the meaning behind their album and song, “Highway To Hell.” They said that the song merely describes hard life on the road while touring. What a bunch of liars! They have to lie, to avoid more criticism than they already receive. AC/DC lies, claiming that it's just about the music, and not promoting Satan or Hell. If that be true, then how do they explain their next album in 1980, with hit songs like, “Hell's Bells” and “Back In Black”? The lyrics to Back In Black include phrases like, “If you're into evil you're a friend of mine!” In Hell's Bells Brian Johnson sings the sinful words, “I got my bell, I'm gonna take you to hell, I'm gonna get you, Satan get you!” If you are blind enough to think this is merely about hard times, for a rock band on the road while traveling from one city to the next, you're an idiot! The lyrics praise Satan, Hell and evil! I am tired of hearing wicked groups like Ozzy Osbourne, AC/DC, Black Sabbath, Megadeth and other Satan-promoting bands, try to dismiss their Satanism with lame excuses. The entire rock music industry is saturated with occult symbols and Satanism, the god of this evil world whom they serve!

David Lee Roth is no hero, yet the ungodly modern newsmedia promote and honor these wicked celebrities, while sinfully tearing down godly preachers who uncompromisingly take a stand against sin in America! A preacher can make one mistake, and the world will condemn him for the rest of his life, and destroy his ministry; but an ungodly celebrity can sin thousands of times, and make as many mistakes as possible, and it is hardly noticed, if mentioned at all. This proves the Holy Bible to be true, confirming the Lord's teaching in John 15:19 that the world will love their own, but hate a born-again Christian, especially one who is living a godly life (2nd Timothy 3:12). When you are a Christian believer, the whole world is waiting for you to fall!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 11 Comments [3/16/2019 5:58:41 AM]
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Quote# 49989

Q. If you can find some evidence for an alternative theory (to evolution), I'm all ears. Until then, you don't have a leg to stand on.

A. Ok, my theoruy is that God made it all. The evidence is that it takes intelligence to make complex, sophisticated and intelligent design. There are NO exceptions. That proves my theory of inteliigent design od all creation. You lose.

Q. So, who designed god? Who designed god's intelligence?

A. No God is not intelligent - He is all knowing. Big difference. There is no physical brain with intelligence to design.

Crucified 2, Youtube 42 Comments [10/17/2008 6:52:34 PM]
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Quote# 142848

This was a really good Testimony of God's unconditional love and faithfulness.
I too have been set free from the homosexual life style. I don't even have same sex attractions. It's a freeing feeling to not be harassed by that ugly, twisted spirit. I really Thank God everyday. I know who I am in HIM. HIS DAUGHTER.

Julia Vank, Watermark 5 Comments [3/17/2019 9:42:43 AM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 142851

Bryan Fischer has used his perch at the American Family Association to virulently attack Islam and its adherents for years, so it was only natural that he used his “Focal Point” radio program today to weigh in on the massacre of dozens of Muslim worshippers in New Zealand, saying that while he doesn’t support the manner in which it was carried out, he does sympathize with the underlying objective.

“I hate Islam,” he said. “I hate Islam because it is a danger to everything that is important to me: My faith, my country, my liberty, Christianity, civil rights. Everything that you and I treasure is threatened by Islam.”

Fischer said that ruthlessly murdering Muslims “is the wrong way to go about it,” but added that the shooter was “correct only in that Islam is something that does need to be stopped.”

Fischer declared that those responsible for the attack should be tried and publicly executed, but noted that “vigilante justice” like this is almost inevitable because governments are not taking adequate steps to eliminate the threat posed by Islam.

“One of the things that happens to guys like this is, if they’ve got some loose wiring to begin with and they see that their government is not doing what is necessary to protect them—whether it is from illegal aliens, whether it is from jihadis, whether it’s from vengeful Muslims—if they see that their government is not doing their jobs to promote justice, to carry out justice, to protect national security, then they’re going to start thinking, ‘Well, I can’t count on the government to do it, so I’m going to have to take things into my own hands,'” Fischer said. “That’s where you get vigilante justice … and, unfortunately, I think we saw a case of that today in New Zealand.”

Bryan Fischer, Right Wing Watch 16 Comments [3/17/2019 9:58:01 AM]
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Submitted By: Kuyohashi

Quote# 142869

"What about the issues in the Old Testament with families like masters sleeping with their servants and men having many wives or even the issue of “inter-family” relationships and the like? Was it a population issue? When did the law change? Why was it okay then and not now?"

Great question! The problem is, the Bible rarely makes commentary on historical events. If it did, we would see notations like “[and this was not only sinful but STUPID because God’s plan for marriage is one man, one woman for life, and bad things happen when we disobey His commandment].”

The fact that sinful, unwise behaviors are recorded (without commentary) in the Bible doesn’t mean it was OK any more than newspapers reporting on crime means they condone it. They’re both just telling you what happened.

Hope this helps!

Sue Bohlin, Probe Ministries 11 Comments [3/18/2019 10:04:07 AM]
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Quote# 142365

@BillionBisonBucks:
Yeah, that would be the 'guns-to-heads' bit I mentioned.

Also, you are incredibly uncharismatic. Do you have any followers? Do you have any plans to develop the skills and resources to attract them? Because brother, this ain't it.

It wouldn't be guns to head. What I am saying is that the members of parliament themselves will be secret agents of my society.

What will help me gain followers will be when I marry @pomme and move to England. There I can gain supporters within the United Kingdom Independence Party. And me and Pomme's children can convince their friends to join my society. I can also get Scots to join the society by promising the Scots independence when the true king is restored, because the true heir to the throne of England is not the heir to Scotland. My society can establish a youth wing similar to the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts that can teach children about the true king. While I may not see the true king restored in my lifetime, my descendants will multiply, and the society will gradually grow larger so the plan will eventually be fulfilled.

Jacob Harrison, Kiwi Farms 27 Comments [2/10/2019 11:29:48 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 142880

I'll never understand how any professed man of God can use the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible, after being informed that at least two flaming homosexuals were on the Committee On Biblical Translation (CBT) who translated the NIV. Virginia Mollenkott and Martin Woudstra (chairman of the Old Testament committee) gave the apostate world the NIV perversion. These homosexuals were offended by the truth of God's Word, and so they removed the word “sodomite” completely from the Old Testament. So when you hear homosexuals and their wicked sympathizers attacking the Bible, saying that God also called eating shellfish an abomination; remember that homosexuals have completely removed the word SODOMITE from the Bible, which condemns them all to the eternal fires of Hell as Jude 1:7 warns.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 19 Comments [3/19/2019 12:50:56 PM]
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Quote# 142890

(concerning the Australian government blocking access to 4chan, 8chan, and LiveLeak after the Christchurch mosque shootings. Bolding is the submitter's)

fuck anyone who censors anything. This is a bigger terrorist attack than the actual shooting

ZP_NS, Reddit - r/worldnews 18 Comments [3/19/2019 12:51:55 PM]
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Quote# 142871

New Zealand Mosque Shooting

Speaking following reports of multiple shootings at two Mosques in New Zealand earlier today, Senator Fraser Anning has responded with strong condemnation.

'I am utterly opposed to any form of violence within our community, and I totally condemn the actions of the gunman,' he said.

'However, whilst this kind of violent vigilantism can never be justified, what it highlights is the growing fear within our community, both in Australia and New Zealand, of the increasing Muslim presence.

'As always, left-wing politicians and the media will rush to claim that the causes of today's shootings lie with gun laws or those who hold nationalist views but this is all cliched nonsense.

'The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place.

'Let us be clear, while Muslims may have been the victims today, usually they are the perpetrators. World-wide, Muslims are killing people in the name of their faith on an industrial scale.

'The entire religion of Islam is simply the violent ideology of a sixth century despot masquerading as a religious leader, which justifies endless war against anyone who opposes it and calls for the murder of unbelievers and apostates.

'The truth is that Islam is not like any other faith. It is the religious equivalent of fascism. And just because the followers of this savage belief were not the killers in this instance, does not make them blameless.

'As we read in Matthew 26:52, 'all they that take the sword, shall perish by the sword' and those who follow a violent religion that calls on them to murder us, cannot be too surprised when someone takes them at their word and responds in kind,' Senator Anning concluded.

Fraser Anning, Daily Mail 33 Comments [3/18/2019 10:04:42 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 142884

(Note:If there is an actual individual post for this, it sure isn't linked in the site)

Is Probe Ministries a Hate Group? A Response to the SPLC
Sue Bohlin

CNN recently released a map of the US showing the hate groups identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Probe has been on that list as an “anti-LGBT hate group” for two years. The reasons the SPLC gave a reporter for including us were patently untrue, accusing us of saying things we don’t say and don’t believe. It is mainly my writings on LGBT issues they object to. But they wouldn’t even talk to me.

We were tagged an “anti-LGBT” hate group because we don’t agree with the LGBT agenda. We align ourselves with the Bible’s standards. We believe God designed marriage between one man and one woman, and that all sex outside of marriage violates God’s good design for human sexuality. Unfortunately, these days mere disagreement is called hate. I have repeatedly invited people to identify the hate-filled words on our website so I can change them, but no one has ever identified any. I believe that is because you won’t find words of hate on our website or in any of our recorded messages.

I’m the primary writer and speaker about homosexuality and gender issues for Probe. It might be helpful for you to know that for 18 years I have also served with Living Hope Ministries, which helps people deal with unwanted homosexuality, and also serves the family members of those who have chosen to embrace a gay identity. I have walked with a lot of women as they process the reasons for their attractions and experience a shift in their beliefs and attitudes (and sometimes attractions as well, though not always). They are so very dear to me, and I love being their cheerleader and encourager.

As my pastor says, “Truth sounds like hate to those who hate the truth.” There are so many cultural lies about God’s design for sex and identity that when we proclaim God’s truth in a culture that embraces lies, we get called hateful and discriminatory.

Probe is all about helping people think biblically about a wide range of topics. We offer biblical truth — even when it’s unpopular.

We are grateful for how your support of Probe allows us to continue to proclaim God’s truth about gender, marriage and
sexuality in an increasingly dark and hostile world.

So no, we’re not a hate group. We’re a truth group, seeking to speak the truth in love. And truth haters are gonna hate.

[Editor’s note: Just this month the Department of Defense dropped citations to the SPLC’s hate group listings in its training manual — a big win!]

Sue Bohlin, Probe Ministries 10 Comments [3/19/2019 12:51:14 PM]
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Quote# 142877

Amos's headline: "THE PLOT THICKENS: SPLC’s Founder Was Fired Amid Employee Accusations Of Racism, Sexism"

https://www.dailywire.com/news/44717/plot-thickens-splcs-founder-was-fired-amid-ashe-schow

Lady Checkmate:


(image shows Southern Poverty Law Center logo with the words ANTI-CHRISTIAN superimposed over top)

Lady Checkmate:
If they weren't so Christophobic, I could tolerate them, but their hate for God and Bible-believing Christians is too much to bear.

bill 61:


(image says Southern Poverty Law Center A True "Hate Group")


Amos Moses, Disqus - News Network 17 Comments [3/18/2019 10:09:07 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 142846

The Differences Between Heterosexual and Homosexual Relationships

Sometimes you hear gays or lesbians say, “We’re just like anybody else. We have two kids, a dog, a mortgage, and we worry about the economy. We just don’t want anybody telling us who we can love.” My friend Brady, who used to be part of that gay sub-culture, calls the homosexual lifestyle “a façade of normalcy.” And it is only a façade.

Consider the huge variance in the stability of relationships. Despite a high divorce rate, 57% of heterosexual marriages last over twenty years.{5} The average length of homosexual relationships is two to three years.{6} Only 5% of them last 20 years.{7}

And consider the issue of promiscuity. In heterosexual marriages, over three-fourths of the men and 88% of the women remain faithful to their marriage vows.{8} Most sexually active gay men are promiscuous, engaging hundreds of sexual partners over a lifetime.{9}

The concept of a committed relationship is very different for the two groups. Most heterosexual couples are faithful and stable. When homosexual men are in what they call a “committed” relationship, this usually includes three to five outside partners each year.{10} Rev. Troy Perry, founder of the Metropolitan Community Church, told the Dallas Morning News, “Monogamy is not a word the gay community uses. . . . We talk about fidelity. That means you live in a loving, caring, honest relationship with your partner. Because we can’t marry, we have people with widely varying opinions as to what that means. Some would say that committed couples could have multiple sexual partners as long as there’s no deception. Each couple has to decide.”{11}

In Holland, which legalized gay marriage in 2001, the average is eight outside partners.{12} One study of gay men who had been together for over five years could not find one single monogamous relationship.{13} Not one!

Women in lesbian relationships often stay together not because they want to, but because they’re stuck financially and emotionally. “I heard one speaker say at a Love Won Out conference, “We don’t have partners, we have prisoners.” Of course, that’s not universally true, but over the years of walking toward Jesus with women who were no longer in lesbian partnerships, I have heard over and over, “We didn’t know how to do life apart from each other.”

Heterosexuals live longer, happier lives. Sexually active homosexual men live a dangerous and destructive lifestyle. They are at huge risk for contracting AIDS, and run a much higher risk of sexually transmitted diseases than straight men. The gay community experiences three times more alcoholism and drug abuse,{14} and much more promiscuity and domestic violence than the straight world.{15} Gay men can expect to live twenty years less than their straight neighbors.{16}

And finally, a home with a mom and a dad is the best possible place for children. Homosexual parents put kids at risk. The American College of Pediatrics discovered that children raised by gay parents tend to be more dissatisfied with their own gender, suffer a greater rate of molestation in the family, have homosexual experiences more often, and are encouraged to experiment in dangerous, destructive lifestyle choices.{17}

Please hear me: We’re commenting on the extremely high-risk behavior that is part and parcel of a homosexual lifestyle. That’s not the same thing as condemning the people who engage in it. A homosexual lifestyle is a façade of normalcy, but it can be changed.


Answering Arguments for Same Sex Marriage

Let’s look at several arguments being offered for same sex marriage.

The first is that marriage will encourage faithfulness and stability in volatile homosexual relationships. But the nature of homosexual and lesbian relationships is broken to begin with. Two broken people will not create a whole, healthy relationship. The best description I’ve ever heard of same sex relationships is “one broken little boy looking for his daddy, connecting with another broken little boy, looking for his daddy.” And the same is true of women. Neither a marriage license, nor the approval of society, can fix the nature of a relationship that is irretrievably broken at its core.

Another argument is that we need same sex marriage to insure hospital visitation. But it’s the patient who decides. If he appoints his partner as a health-care proxy, even if he’s in a coma that document will insure access to the hospital. We don’t need marriage for that. It’s a smokescreen.

A third argument is that we need same sex marriage to insure survivorship benefits. But that’s what a will is for. You don’t need marriage for that.

Some say that we need same sex marriage for Social Security benefits. This is an interesting argument, since Social Security benefits were created to address the financial inequity of father as breadwinner and mother as stay-at-home caregiver. Homosexual relationships are usually two-incomes. It’s very rare to have one stay-at-home caregiver of the kids, since homosexual relationships do not and cannot produce children naturally. When they do, they are borrowing from God’s plan for creating families.

Then there’s the discrimination argument. There are really two issues that fall under this argument: denied liberties and denied benefits.

Concerning the issue of denying the liberty to marry, this argument doesn’t hold water. Any person can marry whoever he or she pleases, with certain restrictions that are true for everyone. You can’t marry a child, a close blood relative, a person who is already married, or a person of the same sex. These restrictions apply equally to everyone; there is no discrimination here. The problem is, some people don’t like the restrictions.

True discrimination functions against an unchangeable identity, such as gender or color. Homosexuality is a lifestyle, a chosen behavior. Even sexual orientation is changeable. It’s not easy, but it is possible.

The other issue of discrimination is denied benefits. But benefits are granted to families because society has an interest in providing a safe place for children to grow up and be nurtured. So the government provides child-oriented benefits such as inheritance rights and tax relief to ease the financial burden of children. Insurance policies and Social Security benefits provide for the money gap between wage-earner and caregiver. These benefits are inherent to families. The essence of marriage is about building families. Homosexual relationships cannot build families legitimately. They have to borrow from heterosexual relationships or technology to create children.

Sue Bohlin, Probe 13 Comments [3/17/2019 9:42:35 AM]
Fundie Index: 5

Quote# 142856

Chechnya verdict could mark new purge of human rights activists

Lawyers and colleagues say case against Oyub Titiev was fabricated to punish him for his work

A court in Chechnya will deliver a verdict in the trial of a prominent human rights worker on Monday that could mark a new purge of activists from the Russian republic.

Oyub Titiev, the local head of the human rights organisation Memorial, has been accused of marijuana possession, as part of a case that his lawyers say was fabricated to punish him for his work documenting human rights abuses. The prosecution has asked for a sentence of four years in prison.

The case may also mark a new stage in the region’s crackdown on dissent. Chechnya’s strongman leader, Ramzan Kadyrov, has said that the government will no longer tolerate human rights activists.

“I officially declare to human rights activists: after the end of the trial, Chechnya will be forbidden territory for them, like it is for terrorists and extremists,” Kadyrov said last August in a speech to local law enforcement broadcast on local television.

Western countries applied sanctions against Kadyrov following revelations about the secret arrest and torture of dozens of gay people in Chechnya in 2017. Three people were reported to have died in the pogrom. Kadyrov framed action against human rights groups as a tit-for-tat move.

“Since I can’t go to Europe and the west, I say: their employees, the ones who call themselves human rights activists, will not have the right to travel in my territory,” he said.

Activists should have legal protections in Chechnya but in the region Kadyrov’s word is law.

For years, Chechnya has been one of the most dangerous regions in Russia for human rights activists and journalists. Natalya Estemirova, a former head of Memorial’s Chechnya branch, was abducted in Grozny, driven out of town and shot to death in 2009. In 2016, masked attackers brutally beat eight journalists and human rights activists traveling into Chechnya, and set fire to their minibus. A week later, Igor Kalyapin, the head of the Committee to Prevent Torture, was attacked in the region’s capital.

The campaign of intimidation has continued during Titiev’s case. One lawyer fled his legal team over threats. An office space and an automobile used by colleagues have been destroyed in arson attacks.

Colleagues have said they expect Titiev to be found guilty. Oleg Orlov, a senior Memorial member, wrote that the case was “fabricated” and was “effectively of a political nature”. Rachel Denber of Human Rights Watch called the case a “show trial”.

The specific reason Titiev was arrested is unclear. Memorial has always been a target for Kadyrov’s anger. The activist had been documenting cases of secret and illegal detentions of Chechens by the security forces, although according to colleagues, not the cases involving the gay purges.

The widespread condemnation of the Chechen leader in recent years, and measures such as the closure of his Instagram account, are said to have angered Kadyrov, who has sought ways to lash out at his critics.

“Kadyrov and top leaders in Chechnya have had human rights activists and investigative journalists in their crosshairs since the anti-gay purge,” Denber said in an interview in Moscow last week.

Titiev, who has worked for Memorial for nearly two decades and lives in Chechnya, was an easy target. In his closing remarks in court last week, he said he knew he would be found guilty.

“How many human rights activists can be murdered or put behind bars?” Titiev said. “When, finally, will the authorities pay attention to this?”

Ramzan Kadyrov, The Guardian 6 Comments [3/17/2019 9:58:21 AM]
Fundie Index: 9

Quote# 142878

I am God and so are you.

We are god in a certain sense, at least in comparison to normies because when you realise that morality is just a shackle we impose on our will you can pretty much do whatever you want. That guy at work who makes snide remarks about you or some foid that speaks condescendingly to you is in many ways subjected to your will, you can decide whether you kill or maim them or treat them nicely and act like a cuck, so while we can't control their actions or the consequences of your actions in almost every case you can control wether they live or die and that makes you god.

Kong Rong, incels.is 23 Comments [3/18/2019 10:09:16 AM]
Fundie Index: 7
Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 142863

Why Pol Pot was a Hero to Incels

Pol Pot was the best example of how to purge and repress degeneracy in the modern age post ww2, all of the party members of his Regime were literal subhumans and yet they enslaved all of the whores and starved them to death which is exactly what they fucking deserve in three years he killed 15% of his country, Foids needed permission from the state to have kids or marry and anyone who even kissed without permission would be beat to death, this is the best way to prevent degeneracy and why Pol Pot should be considered an Incel hERo

Jog Mansen, incels.is 12 Comments [3/17/2019 10:00:10 AM]
Fundie Index: 13
Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 142836

Until about a century ago, Christianity was taken for granted as dominant faith and moral pole star of American life. The notion that a mother had a right to murder her child, that two men could marry, or that a boy could become a girl would've been seen as sick humor at best.

Now find me a major motion picture, best selling Big Five novel, or prime time TV show not made by people who celebrate all of the above. You'll have a hard time, as the last holdouts are rapidly being exiled from the industry.

Yet more people worship Luke Skywalker, Mario, and Thor--the comics version--than worship Jesus Christ.

[...]

We can't hope to deprogram the pop cultists unless we've got something better to offer them.

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Brian Niemeier, Kairos 21 Comments [3/17/2019 9:37:02 AM]
Fundie Index: 5

Quote# 142824

Today's Laugh 3-15-19

It's the climactic boss fight of the Swamp Wars video game. You've waded through hordes of terrorists swarming across the wide-open border; defeated the demonic Moscow Media; now it's on to the lair of the Illuminati Vulture Lord! It won't be easy, because he has the traitorous Deep State at his command.



(Picture shows Brennan, Ocasio-Cortez, Schumer, and Pelosi in a swamp. Brennan has "666" on his forehead. It is a video game sequence and a child playing the game is saying "This guy keeps summoning all these freaks to protect him." A white-haired man is in the sky above them rendered as a bat, laughing. Likely this man's identity is key to the "comic" but I have no idea who he is supposed to be. Possibly George Soros. Someone here will know.)

Mick Williams:
Tribulation bait, every one of them.

Mick Williams, Disqus - Faith & Religion 9 Comments [3/16/2019 5:59:43 AM]
Fundie Index: 6
Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 142875

Alt-Left Memes & Gifs



The alt-left defined:
http://time.com/4919011/donald-trump-alt-left-antifa/

Lady Checkmate:
The alt-left is the biggest "hypocritical" hate group in the USA.

The alt-left's hate love and tolerance?

(Image shows caption "To the Alt Left, this is called love and tolerance" and picture of bleeding man on ground with "Make America Great Again" shirt being beaten by three men with signs which say "Tolerance", "Stop Hate" and "Love Trumps Hate")


(Image shows caption "This is what the left has become" and shows man clad in black (as a ninja) with a can of mace at his side holding a sign that says "hate free zone" beating a man with a gaping head wound and a "free speech" T-shirt - in the background is a raging fire where you can make out the words "Milo" and "Kill Trump" in the wreckage)


(Image shows bully holding up small man and about to punch him - large man is saying "Look buddy either you agree with me or else", caption reads "The Marketplace of Ideas")

Oxford Martyrs:

(Image shows two columns, one on the left saying alt-left, one on the right saying ISIS. Caption reads "starting to see a pattern here". Pictures in left column: men in black throwing rocks, Kathy Griffin holding a bloody Trump head, and a third undecipherable picture, pictures in right column (comparing the ones beside them): man in black hood brandishing knife, terrorist holding two decapitated heads, men with axes and hoods attacking a figure on the ground)

RightInGrey:
The dems and the liberals.........

All they have, is drama for cameras.
Their narrative seems crafted by an army of soccer moms, for soccer moms, and their wimpy children and cuckold husbands or the like.

Lady Checkmate:
It seems doubtful that soccer moms are promoting child-rape, legalizing pedophilia and beating the heck out of conservatives for standing against those things. Here is a picture of a few of the alt-left gang jumping, actually assaulting, a conservative in Berkeley...if they're "soccer moms", then their looks are truly deceiving:

(picture shows man being beaten, women in foreground watches)

But, RightInGrey), you make a good point. The alt-left frequently attempts to appeal to "soccer moms" for undeserved sympathy, financial and political support. The alt-left does not care for them or women in general, they only want to manipulate women to further their wicked agenda. Only silly women would support their foolishness.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 14 Comments [3/18/2019 10:06:54 AM]
Fundie Index: 6
Submitted By: Jocasta
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