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Quote# 117954

The Refiner's Fire Response:

Read in context, you would see that God gave Pharoah NINE CHANCES to comply with His wishes to "let His people (the Israelites) go". NINE plagues to give Pharaoh a chance to see exactly WHO was in charge! Let's take a look what these "chances" were:

First Plague: The Nile waters Turn to Blood

The Nile, the river of Egypt, was the Egyptians' idol. The Nile's waters nourished the land and determined the welfare of all the people. The Egyptians thirsted after blood when they slaughtered the Hebrews' children, and now God gave them blood to drink. Now the source that brought the Egyptians life brought death instead (Exod. 7:14-25).

Second Plague: The frogs

The frogs represented the Egyptian fertility goddess, Isis, that was supposed to help women in childbirth. Frogs were everywhere: in their houses, in their beds, and at their tables. They could not eat, drink, or sleep without their precious god. The frog that symbolized life was left to be raked in heaps of rotting piles of death (Exod. 8:1-15).

Third Plague: The Lice

The lice which came up to live out of the dust of the earth represented the Egyptians' god of the earth, Seth. Matthew Henry notes that lice were small despicable, inconsiderable animals, and yet, by their vast numbers, they rendered a sore plague to the Egyptians. God could have plagued them with lions, or bears, or wolves, or with vultures or other birds of prey; but He chose to do it by these contemptible instruments (Exod. 8:16-19).

Fourth Plague: The Flies

The stinging, disease-carrying flies ruined the land. Beelzebub, the prince of the power of the air, has been glorified as the god of flies, the god of Ekron. The fly was always present at idolatry sacrifices. It seems that the god partook of those in this manner. This fourth plague came upon the Egyptians only. It made Israel a separate and Holy People (Exod. 8:20-32).

Fifth Plague: The Disease of Livestock

A great number of cattle died by a sort of pestilence. The Egyptians made the Hebrews poor and so God caused great loss to the Egyptians. This disease afflicted only the Egyptian livestock. The Egyptians believed animals were possessed by the spirits of gods. The bull was sacred in Egypt, identified in it markings to their god Apis. This pestilence, God's Word tells us, did not affect the Hebrew livestock (Exod. 9:1-7).

Sixth Plague: The Boils

Again God demonstrated His ability to control nature. When the death of their cattle didn't convince the Egyptians, God sent a plague that seized their own bodies. And they took ashes of the furnace, and stood before Pharaoh; and Moses sprinkled it up toward heaven; and it became a boil breaking forth with blains upon man, and upon beast (Exod. 9:10). Sores in the body were looked upon as punishment for sin, a means by which to call one to repentance. None of the Hebrews had any boils. This plague was a direct attack on the shamanism of the medico-mystical processes in Egypt (Exod. 9:8-12).

Seventh Plague: The Hailstorm

Moses gave the people a one-day warning before this plague. The notice was given because the sorcerers of Egypt were also agricultural shamans who supposedly controlled the weather. Those who feared the Lord went into shelter (showing us that God had mercy on some of the Egyptians). Those who did not believe God and took no shelter died in the fields (Ex. 9:21). There was ice and fire mingled with the hail, very grievous, such as there was none like it in all of the land of Egypt. The hail killed both men and cattle, and battered down the herbs, vegetable gardens, fruit trees, and other plants. God, in His judgment, caused it to rain or hail on the Egyptians and not on the Hebrews (Exod. 9:13-35).

Eighth Plague: The locusts

By this time, Pharaoh's people, his magicians, and advisors, began to rebel. Pharaoh stood alone against God. Moses stretched forth his rod over the land of Egypt, and the LORD brought an east wind upon the land all that day, and all that night; and when it was morning, the east wind brought the locusts. And the locusts went up over all the land of Egypt, and rested in all the coasts of Egypt: very grievous were they; before them there were no such locusts as they, neither after them shall be such. The plague was then sent which devastated the land and hence the power of the gods and shamans of agriculture. Pharaoh sent for Moses and pretended to repent. He asked Moses to pray to God to take the locusts away. And the LORD turned a mighty strong west wind, which took away the locusts, and cast them into the Red Sea; there remained not one locust in all the coasts of Egypt (Exod. 10:13-14, 19).

Ninth Plague: The Darkness

The Egyptians rebelled against the light of God's Word and they were justly punished with darkness. This thick darkness was over Egypt three days, but the people of Israel had light where they dwelt. What a picture of dark and light, of being lost and saved. The children of God walked in the light while Pharaoh and his people wandered in the darkness.

This plague was an attack on the power of the supreme deity of Egypt, the sun god Re or Amun-Re. The Egyptians could do nothing but stay in their homes and consider what they had experienced up to now, regarding the power of the God of the Israelites. Even then, Pharaoh refused to yield (Exod. 10:21-29).

Tenth Plague: The Death of the Firstborn

God said in Exodus 13:2, Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.

Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary explains the importance of the firstborn: God placed a special claim on the firstborn of man and beast (Ex. 13:11-13). This meant that the nation of Israel attached unusual value to the eldest son and assigned special privileges and responsibilities to him. Because of God's claim on the first offspring, the firstborn sons of the Hebrews were presented to the Lord when they were a month old. Since the firstborn was regarded as God's property, it was necessary for the father to redeem, or buy back, the child from the priest. Early Hebrew laws also provided that the firstlings of beasts belonged to the Lord and were turned over to the sanctuary (Ex. 13:2; 34:19; Lev. 27:26). The firstborn's birthright was a double portion of the estate and leadership of the family. As head of the home after his father's death, the eldest son customarily cared for his mother until her death, and provided for his unmarried sisters until their marriages. He was the family's spiritual head and served as its priest. In figurative language, the term firstborn stands for that which is most excellent.

The significance of the death of every firstborn in Egypt, from the house of Pharaoh to the slaves and the livestock, was great. But Israel would be spared so that there would be an obvious distinction between those who belong to the YAWH and those who do not (Exod. 11:1-10).


How many chances SHOULD God haven given the Egyptians? If they couldn't understand that YHWH was in charge say, by the second or third plague, then that indicates that they probably wouldn't have listened to God after the thousandth plague!

Now, let's discuss "hardening of the heart". The following is an indepth explanation borrowed, in part, from The Christian Think Tank:

The bottom line is that God KNEW that Pharoah's heart was hardened, and so He allowed a struggle to happen: During the first 5 plagues, Pharaoh hardened his own heart without any help from God (Exodus 7:13,14,22; 8:15,19,32; 9:7). Then God does it (9:12); then Pharaoh and his officials do it together (9:34-35), then God does the rest.

The point of the hardening is given the following passages to show that God CAN perform these miracles/judgments:

Exodus 10: 1 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials so that I may perform these miraculous signs of mine among them.

Exodus 11: 10 Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh, but the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let the Israelites go out of his country.

Exodus 14: 17 But take this staff in your hand so you can perform miraculous signs with it."

The miracles/signs/judgments themselves had an end-goal: so that the Egyptians would know that YHWH was God (and therefore come into a positive relationship with him - Exodus 14:4, 17); and so that the Israelites would know that YHWH had delivered them from their oppression with power, and was therefore a God they could depend on for their needs (Exodus 10.1), and so that the whole world would hear about God - 9:16. In other words, the end goal seems to be to wake everybody up concerning the true and living God.

From Lamentations 3 we know that God "sends hardness of heart" as a punishment: 59 You have seen, O LORD, the wrong done to me. Uphold my cause! 60 You have seen the depth of their vengeance, all their plots against me. 61 O LORD, you have heard their insults, all their plots against me- 62 what my enemies whisper and mutter against me all day long. 63 Look at them! Sitting or standing, they mock me in their songs. 64 Pay them back what they deserve, O LORD, for what their hands have done. 65 Put a veil over their hearts, and may your curse be on them! 66 Pursue them in anger and destroy them from under the heavens of the LORD.

What this means is that the judgments of God were not because of the later hardenings, but that the later hardenings were judgments themselves. (This motif also shows up in Joshua, where the kings who were being evicted from the land for atrocious crimes were "hardened" so they would fight Israel. (Jos 11:19.)

refiners fire, refiners fire 30 Comments [4/6/2016 2:40:41 AM]
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Submitted By: sweetride

Quote# 142850

Amos's headline: "SHOCKED? 'DRAG QUEEN STORYTIME' READER ONCE CHARGED WITH CHILD SEX ASSAULT"

https://abc13.com/drag-queen-storytime-reader-once-charged-with-assault/5197176/

Amos Moses:
cuz we never told them .... NOT ..............

Lady Checkmate:
I'm not shocked. I'm heart-broken for those children. Those children are pawns in the social and political games of deviants and political opportunists. They are being taught lies and confusion and used as convenient and naive tools to promote what God calls evil...an exceedingly wicked agenda. An agenda that promotes the spirit of the anti-Christ and rebellion against the true and living God. God will deal with those who are causing (actually making) those children to sin*. My prayer is that laborers will come along and share Truth/Jesus Christ with those children early and that their hearts will be turned toward God and away from selfish, sinful idolatry and wickedness in Jesus name. He captured my heart as a child and He is the same yesterday, today and forever more. His Truth breaks through and destroys the lies of satan.

Amos Moses:
Albert Alfonso Garza, 32, was last seen reading to children at the Montrose Library in September 2018.
Montrose is the homosexual side of Houston .....

Lady Checkmate:
So, they're not running sexual-assault/pedophile background checks on those men? They're creating an environment for children to be indoctrinated and molested on the spot??

tsitala:
Question marks not needed. If I had children of school age today, which thankfully I don't, and could keep them out of public schools, it wouldn't even be a question as to whether I needed to do that or not. Immediately, and yesterday wouldn't have been soon enough.

Lady Checkmate:
I imagine a lot of people feel that way. Good parents know they need to teach their children the word God and raise them to reverence, love and obey God (not teach them about sex before they can walk or count to 10). I wish I could adopt some of the children no one wants...that's in God's hands.

Amos Moses, Disqus - News Network 16 Comments [3/17/2019 9:57:58 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 142636

(concerning a Kiwi Farms thread about a violent animal abuser who was caught sexually abusing and killing animals.)

This is really immature behavior from adults I would expect kids to be the main people bullying others but I guess it's just you guys stop acting like a 1 year old having a temper tantrum and act your age

Kero the wolf made a mistake no one's to far from redemption keep just has that interest but never acts on it so stop bullying people and leave him alone

I cant wait to see the activity on twitter and other social media when the news gets out that Kero was arrested for Zoophillia


I cant wait to see the activity on twitter and other social media when the news gets out that Kero was arrested for Zoophillia


12535, Kiwi Farms 10 Comments [3/2/2019 3:39:28 PM]
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Quote# 142864

(OP: Talks about how in awe they are of Chelsea Clinton for handling herself with class in the face of someone yelling at her, blaming her for the shooting in Christchurch, pointing out that what Rep Ilhan Omar said about Jews is dangerous, and that we need to unite to stop white supremacist terrorists)

Ilhan Omar didn’t say anything anti-semetic, she criticised an organisation that lobbies the most powerful country in the world to aid and abet a racist apartheid state in a campaign of ethnic cleansing.

Smearing her as racist for doing so makes you a piece of shit.

And when a woman who is a victim of that ethnic cleansing says she’s not comfortable with someone who supports it and led a hate mob agains a black woman for calling it out crying crocodile tears at a vigil for victims of the same racism, she’s entirely in the right.

Fuck you

volcels-of-fire, Tumblr 4 Comments [3/17/2019 10:00:17 AM]
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Quote# 14614

I am currently sitting in the Fayetteville Public Library, online, and outside my window in the other room, there is an older hippy woman, in a red hat, glasses, black, loose hippy clothes and sandals with her feet perched up on the table, I mean how rude, this is a Library. She's probbaly looking up Democrat, anti-American, and other far leftist websites, I can't see her computer screen from the angle I am sitting at. I usually don't come to this Library b/c of all the hippies and other far-leftists I see here, and the fact that I have to put up with them almost daily, but it's the only Library opened today. Just wanted to vent some frustration.

proudrepublican81, IMDb 43 Comments [9/6/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 142868

(This person is mocking critics of the metal band Arghoslent, who are talented musicians, but have lyrics glorifying slavery.)

eww....but eeewww...their lyrics aren't socially neutered and haven't been filtered thru the zionic stratagem....ewww...I cant like this band...im an indoctrinated spineless weasel millennial twerp.....

steve disgustipate, YouTube 2 Comments [3/18/2019 10:03:56 AM]
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Quote# 142837

(context: Chelsea Clinton was blamed for the attack in Christchurch)

Neo-Liberal pathology. These people will find every conceivable fault in black women, and women of color, but god forbid a rich fail daughter heiress is actually intellectually, ethically, and morally worthless. Say it with me everyone!

YOU DON’T NEED TO LICK THE BOOT OF RICH LIBERALS WHO DON’T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT YOU!

scumbag storm trooper, Tumblr 3 Comments [3/17/2019 9:37:16 AM]
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Quote# 142844

"I am a high school student writing a paper for English over some hatred issues across America and I was wondering if you would answer some questions about marriage equality, gender issues, etc.

Why do you, personally, dislike homosexual behavior?"

For the same reason I dislike heterosexual behavior (like using pornography or unmarried or extramarital sex) that is outside of God’s plan and purpose for our bodies and souls: it is harmful to the person(s) engaging in it. Sex is so powerful, like electricity, that it needs to be contained within the safe confines of marriage between a man and a woman who have committed to each other for life. Outside of that containment, the power of sex is more like lightning, which does damage instead of being channeled into serving us.

But homosexual behavior is not just about sex. There is also a lot of emotional dependency in same-sex relationships, especially between girls and women, when their friendship has overflowed the banks of what is healthy. Emotionally dependent relationships are intense (which becomes exhausting), chaotic (which drains people further), controlling and manipulative (which is hurtful to the people and to the relationship). I dislike this behavior because it is harmful to the people engaging in it as well. I love people and hate to see them get hurt. That’s why I dislike the behavior that contributes (eventually) to heartache.

"If anyone of your family members became homosexual, how would you react?"


That already happened, when one of my relatives was seduced into lesbian relationships and started seeing herself as part of the LGBT community. I continued to love her, encourage her, delight in her . . . even though we don’t talk about her relationships or her involvement in LGBT.

I have two grown sons, though, which is the closer kind of family I think you may be thinking of. If either one of them announced they were gay, I would weep that he had been deceived by our spiritual enemy into thinking falsehoods about himself, and I would pray every day for his eyes to be open to the truth, even as I continued to love him like I do now.

"Why do you think God doesn’t love homosexual people and their behaviors?"


I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that God dearly and tenderly loves those who struggle with same-sex attraction, those who have embraced a gay identity, and even those who have fully immersed themselves in the LGBT world. I’m thinking of one young man in particular who went on a two-week bender, prostituting himself for gay sex so he could buy drugs and keep himself high. I know that his decisions grieved God’s heart deeply (especially when he became HIV+ during that 2 weeks), but He never left the man or stopped loving him, and was there waiting patiently for him to come to his senses . . . which he did. And now their relationship is stronger than ever.

If God loved people, ALL people, enough to send His only Son into the world to be nailed to a cross, taking our place and paying the penalty for our sin and then raising Him from the dead, then I think He continues to love all of us in our messy, sinful rebellion. But He never endorses or accepts our sinful behavior, though He fully accepts US. Acceptance and approval of choices and behaviors are not the same.

You may have noticed I went from talking about homosexuals to US . . . because we are all in the same predicament: messy, sinful, rebellious people who desperately need God. There is no us/them differentiation—we are all alike in our need for God, and we are all alike in the fact that He loves us more than we can imagine.

"Do you believe in abortion, and why?"


I think it is a heinous thing to murder a baby, whether he or she lives inside the mother or outside the mother. Abortion is taking the life of an innocent child, and it’s wrong to murder.

"And do you consider Probe Ministries a hate group?"

Absolutely not! We were tagged a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center because we don’t agree with the LGBT agenda. We align ourselves with the Bible’s standards that all sex outside of marriage violates God’s commands for human sexuality. Unfortunately, these days mere disagreement is called hate. I have repeatedly invited people to identify the hate-filled words on our website so I can change them, but no one has ever identified any. I believe that is because you won’t find words of hate on our website, or our podcasts, or any of our recorded messages. (And I do know what hate sounds like. Westboro Baptist Church makes me sick.)

I’m the primary writer and speaker about homosexuality and gender issues for Probe. It might be helpful for you to know that for 18 years I have also served with Living Hope Ministries, which is a Christian organization that helps people deal with unwanted homosexuality, and the family members of those who have chosen to embrace a gay identity. I have known and grown to love more people than I can count, people who are my heroes as they fight their feelings and instead, pursue intimacy with Jesus Christ. I have watched so many people’s hearts change over time, and I have walked with a lot of women as they process the reasons for their attractions and experience a shift in their beliefs and attitudes (and sometimes attractions as well, though not always). They are so very dear to me, and I love being their cheerleader and encourager.

That’s the opposite of hate. That’s what love looks like, and that’s what is the foundation of everything I write and say on this issue.

It might also be helpful for you to know that I have run everything I write and say through the filter of trusted friends who were once part of the LGBT community, asking them to identify anything that is unintentionally hurtful or rude or even untrue so I can change it before it becomes public.

I’m glad you asked, and I am thankful for the opportunity to provide you with some answers.

Have a good day.

Warmly,
Mrs. Bohlin

Sue Bohlin, Probe Ministries 11 Comments [3/17/2019 9:40:52 AM]
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Quote# 119748

You cannot mix Christianity with other religions. The moment you do it's no longer Christianity.

Would you drink a tall glass of fresh cold water if someone dropped just one tiny drop of sewer water in it? What about two drops - or three?

You say no: yet that is exactly what many of you do by mixing other religions and forms of spirituality with your Christianity. You're mixing sewage with fresh water. And this is why so many of you are spiritually sick.

If you're a Christian who thinks it's okay to fornicate a little bit (or a lot) and still think you're okay in God's eyes: you're a sick Christian. If you believe it's okay to tell little lies, slander others or spread gossip about them - you're a sick Christian.

If you think it's cool to bow to Jesus and yet still practice yoga, live by horoscopes or dabble in the occult - you've been drinking cups, not just drops of sewer water! And your spirituality stinks to high heaven.

You need a spiritual detox!

God wants His children to live pure lives. He wants us to be holy like He is holy. Only then can we demonstrate to the world that our faith, our beliefs and our religion carries the power of heaven in it to transform lives and destinies here on Earth for good.

It's our difference from the world that makes what we have so unique and interesting: not our similarities with the world.

It's time for you to recalibrate! Get back onto the right frequency - the Jesus Christ frequency. Tune away from sin and tune back into holiness, without which no man can see God.

When you take God and His Son Jesus seriously, only then will God start revealing Heavens secrets to you.

I can always tell when someone who claims to be spiritually deep is a fraud. I just check their lifestyle. Because I know God never reveals His secrets to someone who is not living holy.

Let's get back on track saints. Massive awesome power awaits us the moment we begin to live out a pure expression of our Christian faith. God wants to work wonders through our lives. But He wont do it until we start living right.

Mack Major, Facebook 21 Comments [6/14/2016 2:06:32 AM]
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Quote# 142859

Ima say it say it straight up, if Chelsea Clinton had miscarried as a result of being talked to (yes talked to, that's where we're at) by rightfully angry activists, the activists would have done us a double service. Speaking truth to power and ensuring there'll be one less Harvard airbrushed prick walking on this earth.

Bananapish, Tumblr 7 Comments [3/17/2019 9:58:33 AM]
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Quote# 142826

For every ten thousand Ruths there is one abortionist: icy; conscienceless; remorselessly perverting his medical skills; defiling his ethical charge; and helping, nay seducing, with his clinical calm, his oh-so-comforting professionalism, women into the act that comes closest to self-slaughter. It is no accident that the next step in the perverse mutation of medical skills is to be played where physicians are endowed by the state to assist, always in the name of compassion, in the act of suicide. How the world would have been changed had some misguided "expert" in the calculus of suffering climbed up on the cross and fed Jesus a dose of hemlock within an hour of His crucifixion.


Bernard Nathanson, Hand of God: A Journey from Death to Life by The Abortion Doctor Who Changed His Mind 6 Comments [3/16/2019 6:00:19 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 142835

People have always demonized the weird if they start challenging the norm. The "Pedo" rumor is just another invention made by people who couldn't understand that the guy was just genuinely carefree and didnt care if he was childlike.


Originally Posted by Stinger Fan
You're defending him a little too strongly in this thread . One of the lead detective states they found books of children naked in his home ,which were legal as they weren't pornographic but , don't you think that's odd for a man over 30 to own? This detective also went onto state that one of the kids who alleged sexual misconduct , was able to accurately describe what Michael Jackson looked like naked, how is that possible? Jackson admitted he'd have "slumber parties" with under-aged children and sleep in the same bed with them. Don't you find any of this odd? Would you defend him if he wasn't famous? Let me ask you this, would you honestly feel comfortable allowing your own under-aged child to sleep over at a grown mans home if he gave you his word that it was "just innocent"? Let's not forget, he settled out of court, which innocent people don't typically do. You can't ignore the allegations made against him because he's famous, that is not a defense as they aren't incapable of being horrible human beings.



These are exaggerated from everything i'm to understand. The books were fanmail he was sent as a prank be people who thought he was guilty, and the children didn't sleep "with" him. He supposedly slept on the floor whilst the children took his bed. Weird? Yes. Criminal? Unproven.

beatles123, Wrestling Forum 2 Comments [3/17/2019 9:36:56 AM]
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Quote# 142832

AGAINST ALL SCIENCE

In general it is true that
(as to specific particularities, see declaration overleaf):

Science
is in effect the ignominy and shame of Auschwitz, of Hiroshima, and all the scientific trash and waste have already formed garbage dumps even in space (satellites etc.).[b]

That this must be imputed only to the wrong use of science? You must be joking. Technical progress, comforts for the "masses", welfare, medical achievements, … and in exchange for all that there it is, the price to be paid for it: the price itself, the prices, the high and low prices, all prices, prizes and praises, and the price also as value (equivalent, in German: scheissegalgesund, Verwurschtelegalscheiss!*) Shit or health, it makes no difference; or, frankly said, it’s all the same shit! The whole matter has got in a muddle that is equal to health/shit, even as the holy of holiest, i.e. as HEIL-health, as GeSSundheit, that is as precisely that animal-like-Nazi-foolish figment of the mind that is too well known up to puking and by far not only here, in these parts, -: human sacrifices, since the times of the very first and the very last medical priests. Was that really only pre-scientific or pre-empirical, the sacrifices of humans, the highest price, supposedly to praise the Gods? More and more actions of mass extermination since then, in times of war and peace (not more than 3 weeks since 1945!), show the contrary: scientific progress – –. They were planned and executed by the medical classes of the time, while illness was their pretext, and their justification every time afterwards. That is the price to be paid for (what kind of?) progress, especially since you too, dear reader of these lines, are certainly carrying something "ill" all along with you in your "genetic equipment"; yes, you too, and all the others.

* This word is to spare the readers several thousand pages of philosophical-political literature, which they don’t like to
understand anyway, let alone so much as to even read them, not even in the UK or the USA; yes, it’s an ugly word
that comprises the meat and sausage processing mincing and muddling and mixing up in food plants (factories) as
well as anthropomorphical issues and the systemic automatisms of trade market on the base of the iatrocapitalistic
system, by putting them altogether into one, so drastically as unappetizingly, but appropriately; perhaps one should
learn also elsewhere, just for the sake of change, to spell suchlike words, which are more than of common use in
chemistry, in physics, in engineering and elsewhere, letter by letter und read them aloud with a raised voice (vox alta),
in order to learn anew in favor of understanding that every single word in all sciences is sharpening one’s awareness of
the various myths, lies and cock-and-bull stories that, with the regard to history and its results as a whole, link by link,
constitute one single chain of live-damaging action and destruction. Taken literally or letter-by-letter, and in application to
the facts here exposed, it means that millions of people stigmatized by etiquettes are being killed of course any moment,
and that goes without saying as commodities are being sold and bought on the market.



It’s already in its bases that science is precisely the stuff that in all times has made us into throwaway merchandise and, vice versa, turned wares (money, credit) into idols. Scientific basic research? A silly joke. Science has abdicated a long time ago. But far from resigning definitely it is pushing its way forward, more and more (trade with organ banks, genetics = biotechnological genocide). All of us have been inoculated with all that as logic (logo! okay!) since thousands of years. And all of us, be it as scientists and humanists (i.e. as scientists of the science of nature and of the humanities), or be it as the so called physically or mentally "less well-offs" or "less illuminated" in consequence of poverty or whatsoever, in brief: as "idiots", "cripple-idiots", or be it only as "dimwits", we all have adapted to that murderous nonsense to such a degree that it has become to us the guarantor, the base (still another "basic research"!) of our pride and of our philanthropy (humanism). All are guaranteeing, we too, nothing. But a part [SPK/PF(MFE)] has succeeded at least in proving shame for all that. By the force of illness, offend those who are offending you. How else but by your action you can dissociate yourself from this murderous logic, change the conditions, and change yourself?!

What has caused the opportunity we took for the following statement? You might forget it. It was just an opportunity, and by no means the cause, the reason (Ur-Sache): your and our relation to illness. We are, for reason of that cause and on occasion of all the caused opportunities (contradiction in the identity of illness and capitalism), absolutely and decisively in favor of illness (revolutionary moment). But it’s not we that are at stake; as we are already very well off thanks to the forces of illness, for us all doctors can get lost, and that since several decades. And what about you? Should we, at least, still feel sorry for you? Or is it you that, in top secret, should at least feel sorry for yourself? It is said that things like that might happen.

The following declaration was distributed to hundreds of people. Against all sorts of party-fractions and fragmentations (e.g. against a meeting organized in Vienna by students of medicine hostile to patients), and in so far against an insignificant fragmentation of the White Army, or, as you might say as well, against a little bit White Army Fraction (WAF – – ). But even at this regard the repercussions were astonishing and flabbergasting, and a few people, who, in the beginning, had thought of our declaration printed overleaf "to be perhaps a little bit exaggerated" were shocked at those reactions. A doctor’s car for emergency calls which, called on for help by the doctors and medical students, had hurried to the doctors’ aid and succeeded in rescuing a few of them. Rescuing them from what? From the following sheet of paper (see declaration overleaf). It’s precisely the same declaration that has been distributed to hundreds of people, and other hundreds have asked us, within the first three days, to allow them to reprint and distribute this declaration unchanged on their own expense, and so they did.

((Overleaf))

As to the specific particularities:
Subject: Symposium Viennese from the 5th to the 7th of November 1998
(Or: From the Cup of Poison to Genocide-Cannibalism)


Declaration

As to me, K. S., I, too, am not partaking in this Congress, although I’ve been invited by Mr. Spann, PhD, to organize a bookstand.

Last time it was in January 1998 that I have given my opinion here, as a front-patient of the Patients’ Front. On that occasion, reports were published in the print-media, broadcasting and TV, CNN live included. From January till now no one of those present at that time has learned something new and, according to the schedule of today’s congress, no one of those who has come along since then has learned something new.

Iatrocracy’s international army, the army dressed in white, and their followers and supporters here too, being tied to their interests, can not be taught because they are incorrigible. It goes without saying. At most it’s from the Nazi, against whom they line up here as they say hypocritically, that they can learn something more.

Each and every science, and even and properly the most exact science, as mathematics and the science of nature, has been always the same, right up from its very origin and basics, and even before the Nazi showed up: that is, the murder-market’s logic of the excluded contradiction. What? How that? Nota bene: The Identity-dogma of each trade and change, from monet-Aryan-alike up to … and anyway logic (logo!, okay!): holocaustologic logically! "Authentic identities", from Aristotle and Thomas, the Saint of Aquino, and the stakes (Scheiterhaufen), up to, and it could not be otherwise, could it?: Just take a look on the schedule of this Congress: True, true, true, true = authentically true, exactly as prayer wheels that run at top, Aryan-alike, medico-alike, archiatric-ally, nature-ally, liter-Aryan, and, logically, holo-logically, holocausto-logically!: In the past monet-Aryan-alike, at the present digit-ally, in brief: logistic-Aryan-alike (cf. B. Russell), authentically and identically, but true!

History as science has been ever since that of the winners, who make and fake and patchwork together the "histories".

Ethics and Morality became and remained the matter of single elites nut-cases, instead of being the concern of each and all, originally: defeat of Gods and Idols!, that is against those puffed up blossoms of the swamp and all sorts of ethic-casters.

In brief: all past and future science plus all the congress-garbage belonging to it, all scientific approach and methods, remain as such iatro-capitalistic science, and such ones as Hitler as its henchman is always available. In its basics and its effects, its oppressive actions and its shirking, all of it, from physics to philosophy, with medicine as the crown of all these creations and of this act of creating (doing away with the "ballast-existences" and with the in-equivalent, that is the unworthy, unhealthy lifes), with the genocidal genocide as its last extra gain for the time being.

This is why I’m fighting, and why I’m learning by fighting, ever being willing to learn, but exclusively orientated to Diapathics and Pathopractice in Utopathy, me too.

Off with all the medical fraud!

Put the Doctors’ Class on Diet-zero!

Free yourselves from them and them from themselves!

From the Patients’ Class to the Human Species
through the New-revolution by the Force of Illness!


(Emphasis original)

Patients' Front / Socialist Patients' Collective (H), Patients' Front / Socialist Patients' Collective (H) 16 Comments [3/16/2019 6:02:40 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 142838

Freaking white liberals can’t even pretend to give shit about muslims long enough. Here they are teaming up with MAGA and attacking young Palestinian woman for daring to call Chelsea Clinton out for helping to instigate and support Islamophobic attack on Omar. Calling out Israel and their crimes against Palestine and those who support it like Aipac makes you an anti-semitic and unAmerican.

Here are white liberals on twitter with their friend MAGA acting like telling Chelsea off is as tragic as that terrorist attack in NZ.

Y’all can take your fake allyship and crocodile (sorry crocs) tears and shove it up your behind. You don’t fool anyone. You also don’t get to control emotions any muslim is feeling right now.

(Screenshot of Tweet 1 by Rob Rousseau reads, "Chelsea Clinton sided with a bunch of deranged bigots and helped incite an islamophobic outrage mob against a member of Congress like two weeks ago, so she and the liberal dipshits defending her shouldn't be surprised that a grieving muslim woman wasn't happy to see her today.")

(Screenshot of Tweet 2 by irish beto o'rourke reads, "tonight my thoughts are with the true victims of the christchurch massacre: chelsea clinton & her unborn child. sources say a young peasant woman was rude to her and likely forced a misscarriage.")

blog-sev, Rob Rousseau, irish beto o'rourke, Tumblr 3 Comments [3/17/2019 9:37:20 AM]
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Quote# 142842

As pro-LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) voices and values grow louder and more insistent in the culture, what about those people of faith who experience same-sex attraction and don’t want it? What are they supposed to do with feelings and desires at odds with their faith? How are they supposed to learn to reconcile their faith and their sexuality?

The cultural narrative has become, “LGBT represents normal, healthy variations in human sexuality, so everyone should support and celebrate all forms of sexual diversity. And if you don’t, we’re going to punish you, shame you, and squelch your voice.”

Part of the punishing and shaming includes outrage over “Conversion Therapy.” A growing number of states outlaw it. What makes it so bad and why are people so angry about it?

What is Conversion Therapy?

Conversion Therapy is usually defined as therapy designed to change a person’s sexual orientation. But is that what it really is? Therapy is a shortened form of the word “psychotherapy,” which means the treatment given by a licensed mental health professional such as a psychologist or psychiatrist, a social worker, or a licensed counselor. So Conversion Therapy isn’t therapy without a professional counselor of some kind, with the goal of changing someone’s sexual orientation.{1} But do a Google search for organizations being labelled as doing (or even promoting) Conversion Therapy—which will include a number of churches—and you’ll find neither element happening.

Conversion Therapy is the current buzzword that instantly communicates something that smears hate, shame, judgment and probable suicidality in those who undergo it, forced or not. It is not acceptable to say there’s anything wrong or unhealthy about any form of “sexual diversity.” Those that do—for example, anyone who holds to a biblical, traditional view of marriage and sexuality—are labeled as haters, bigots, prudes, outdated . . . and wrong.

Anne Paulk, director of Restored Hope Network, describes it as “an ideological term used by the GLBTQ activist community and their supporters who seek to link compassionate spiritual care and talk therapy with horrible, clearly disreputable practices.”{2}

These “disreputable practices” include stories of some extremists who used torture, pain and punishment to try and exorcise homosexuality from people. Most notably and recently, the movie Boy Erased purports to show the true story of a teenage boy whose parents sent him to a strict camp that left heartbreaking wounds on his soul. (It should also be noted that the producers took a number of creative liberties to produce the most dramatic moments of the film, none of which actually happened per the book.) The cultural narrative lumps extremists with all those engaged in helping those with unwanted homosexuality, painting them all with a broad brush of condemnation.

Helping Those Who Want the Help

A number of ministries and churches actively seek to help those who don’t want their same-sex feelings or their discomfort with their gender. Or, even if they don’t fight against their feelings, they want to live lives honoring to God despite their desires, which means not giving into them. These ministries and organizations neither offer nor promise conversion of homosexual attractions into heterosexual ones. That would be like offering to make someone stop loving chocolate and start loving kale. Not gonna happen, right?

But they can teach what God’s word says about sexuality, discipleship, and living a life pleasing to God. They can help people (note: choose to, not be forced to) submit every area of their lives to the lordship of Jesus Christ, including sexuality. There are many who define and identify themselves by their sexuality; God’s word calls us to define and identify ourselves by our relationship to Him.

Human sexuality is a complex, many-layered issue comprised of a lifetime of experiences, perceptions, habits, and ways of thinking. There’s nothing simple about it. It has also, for every one of us, been impacted by the Fall and the pervading presence of sin.

But Is Change Even Possible?

Ever hear the pejoratively-used phrase “Pray away the gay”? That’s as effective as praying away fat. A prayer like, “Please Jesus make me stop wanting people/things/food I shouldn’t” has never worked because He doesn’t have a magic wand. He says to all those who want to be His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me” (Matthew 16:24). That means saying no to ourselves and to our flesh, the part of us that operates independently of God. The apostle Paul instructs us in Romans 12:2 to “be transformed by the renewing of your mind. . .” Cooperating with God to renew our mind means submitting our thoughts and habits to Him, “taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ” (2 Corinthians 10:5). The call to surrender every part of us, including our sexuality, as the way to obey and honor God, is a difficult one, and it takes community. It takes the support of other Christ-followers to walk alongside us, pray for us, speak God’s truth to us, encourage us, challenge us, restore us when we stumble and fall, and help us keep going.

Change is not only possible, it is the mark of things that are alive. And it is the fruit of the gospel. Lasting change comes not from human effort but from supernatural transformation as we surrender to the work of God in our lives. We experience change as we are transformed into the image of Christ (2 Corinthians 3:18). Christlikeness produces change in how we think, what we believe, how we see ourselves and others, our behavior, and finally—like the caboose on a train—our feelings. But there’s no point in trying to change the feelings apart from the rest of the process.

Discipleship is often what’s happening in ministries and churches that are smeared with the label of “Conversion Therapy,” being lied about and attacked by people who can’t abide any position other than their own.

Next time you see the term “Conversion Therapy,” know that it’s not about shutting down bad therapists. It’s about shutting up people who agree with God about sexuality.

Sue Bohlin, Probe 7 Comments [3/17/2019 9:40:45 AM]
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Quote# 142845

Sue Bohlin takes a look at the arguments for same sex marriage and finds them lacking from a Christian, biblical worldview perspective. She explains that those pushing for same sex marriage have redefined it into something it never was and was never intended to be.

What’s Marriage For?

In any discussion on same sex marriage, we need to start at the beginning: What is marriage is for, anyway? Marriage begins a family. The family is the basic building block of society. It has always been this way from Adam and Eve down to today.

Man did not invent marriage; God did. He invented and ordained marriage as the foundation for all human society when He gave Eve to Adam and pronounced them man and wife. Marriage is one of those institutions that is found in every human culture. Across the globe and across the ages, marriage has always been defined the same way: one man and one woman in a committed relationship, providing a safe place to bear and raise children. I would suggest that since this pattern for marriage applies to all cultures and all times, this indicates that God is its inventor and creator. It’s such an intrinsic part of the way we relate to each other that even those who have lost track of the story of the true God (the non-Judeo-Christian cultures) still practice marriage according to the pattern God designed: one man and one woman in a committed relationship, providing a safe place to bear and raise children.

God has woven “marriage into human nature so that it serves two primary purposes throughout all societies.”{1} The first is the way men and women were created to complement each other. Marriage balances the strengths and weaknesses of masculinity and femininity. Women help civilize men and channel their sexual energy in productive rather than destructive ways. Men protect and provide for women—and any children they produce together.

Marriage is built on a basic building block of humanity—that we exist as male and female. The strong benefit of marriage as God intended it is that males and females are designed with profound and wonderful differences, and these differences are coordinated in marriage so that each contributes what the other lacks.{2}

The second purpose of marriage is producing, protecting, and providing for children. Marriage ensures that children have the benefits of both mother and father. Each gender makes a unique and important contribution to children’s development and emotional health, and marriage provides the best possible environment for children to thrive as they enjoy the benefits of masculinity and femininity.

Those who are pushing for same sex marriage don’t see marriage this way. They seek to redefine it as a way to get society’s stamp of approval on their sexual and emotional relationships, and a way to secure financial and other benefits. Both of these reasons are about the adults, not about children. Both reasons are driven by the philosophy of “How can I get what I want? How can I be happy?” It’s a very self-centered movement.

Many homosexuals want the right to marry only because it confers society’s ultimate stamp of approval on a sexual relationship—not because they want to participate in the institution of marriage.


Why Same Sex Relationships Are Wrong

Let’s look at several reasons (though not an exhaustive list by any means) that same sex relationships are wrong.

First, homosexuality is an attempt to meet legitimate needs in illegitimate, ungodly ways. We all have God-given heart hungers to feel loved and known and validated—to feel that we matter. God intends for us to have those needs met first by our parents and then by our peers, but sometimes something goes wrong. People find themselves walking around with a gaping, aching hole in their souls, longing to make the connections that didn’t happen when they were supposed to, earlier in their lives. From both the women and the men that I know who are dealing with unwanted homosexuality, I hear the same thing: “I just want to be held, I just want to be known, I just want to be special to someone.” But turning to homosexual or lesbian relationships to get those needs met is not God’s intention for us.

Second, same sex relationships are outside of (and fall far short of) God’s created intention for sex. God made us male and female, designed to complement each other physically, emotionally, and spiritually. Two men or two women coming together can never live out God’s intent for His creation. The biology of our gender shows us that same sex relationships don’t work, but opposite sex relationships do. It is unwise to ignore the obvious about how the pieces fit, or don’t fit, as the case may be.

Third, marriage is an earthbound illustration of the mystery of Christ and the church.{3} There is a mystical unity of two very different, very other beings coming together as one. Only the profound differences of man and woman display this mystery. “If the man represents Christ and the woman represents the church, then a male to male partnering would be, in essence, a symbolic partnering of God with Himself apart from His people. Likewise, a lesbian relationship would become a symbolic partnering of God’s people without Him. Either option is incomplete, unnatural, and abhorrent.”{4}

Fourth, same sex relationships are idolatrous. In Romans 1, Paul describes the downward spiral of people who worship the creature instead of the Creator. When God says intimate relationships with people of the same sex are forbidden, and people insist on pursuing them anyway, they have elevated something else to the position of a god. It could be the other person, or sexual pleasure, or even just one’s own feelings, but all these things become idols because they are more important than anything else, including God.

Homosexual and lesbian relationships are wrong because God designed us for something far better. The nature of the gospel is to bring transformation to every aspect of a believer’s life, and many people have discovered the “something better.” (See my article, “Can Homosexuals Change?“)

Sue Bohlin, Probe Ministries 8 Comments [3/17/2019 9:42:32 AM]
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Quote# 142831

Liberal law center demonizes Christian foes of LGBTQ agenda as ‘hate groups’

August 18, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) — In the vast array of leftist lies, one of the most dangerous is that groups and people defending historic Judeo-Christian sexual morality are somehow guilty of "hate." The main perpetrator of that “big lie” these days is the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which has turned smearing and demonizing social conservatives fighting the homosexual-transgender agenda into a very profitable business.

The SPLC is attempting to pull off one of the nastiest and most audacious “bait-and-switch” propaganda coups in history — equating the Christian-conservative led effort to defend biblical morality against the aggressive LGBTQ lobby with vile racists, Neo-Nazis and anti-Semitic extremist groups.

The Birmingham, Alabama-based SPLC’s “hate” campaign is helped along by lazy, biased journalists and online “social justice warriors” who delight in using its past anti-racism credentials to advance the Left's immoral and deviant sex-gender agenda.

CNN lends legitimacy to SPLC

Yesterday, CNN shamefully assisted the SPLC’s bogus “hate” narrative by running a story featuring its “hate map” under the initial headline, “Here are all the active hate groups where you live.” It was accompanied by a graphic of the SPLC’s “hate map” of alleged “hate groups,” which includes, under Illinois, my organization, Americans For Truth About Homosexuality (AFTAH). We have been slandered as an SPLC “hate group” for the last several years.

On the SPLC ‘s Illinois map, AFTAH and other Christian pro-family groups are listed alongside a KKK group, a "white nationalist" outfit, and some affiliates of the Aryan Nations Sadistic Souls MC, another Nazi group. This is the SPLC’s vicious handiwork, treated as “fact” by the media.

After protests by those miscast as “haters,” CNN changed its headline to "The Southern Poverty Law Center’s list of hate groups.”

Similar stories featuring the SPLC’s bogus “hate map” have popped up across the country, including one in the The Boston Globe headlined, “Where hate calls ‘home’ in Massachusetts.”

The following pro-family groups join Americans For Truth in having the distinct “honor” of being lied about by the cunningly deceptive, sleazy and, yes, downright evil SPLC:

Abiding Truth Ministries (Scott Lively)

Alliance Defending Freedom (the SPLC recently attacked Attorney General Jeff Sessions for addressing this group)

American College of Pediatricians (Dr. Michelle Cretella)

American Family Association (Tim Wildmon)

American Vision

Center for Family and Human Rights (C-FAM; Austin Ruse)

Citizens for Community Values

Conservative Republicans of Texas (Dr. Steve Hotze)

Family Research Council (Tony Perkins)

Family Research Institute (Dr. Paul Cameron)

Heterosexuals Organized for a Moral Environment (H.O.M.E.)

Illinois Family Institute

Liberty Counsel (Mat Staver)

Mass Resistance (and its chapters in various states; Brian Camenker)

Mission: America (Linda Harvey)

Pacific Justice Institute (Brad Dacus)

Pass the Salt Ministries (Coach Dave Daubenmire)

Pray in Jesus Name Project (“Chaps” Klingenschmitt)

Public Advocate of the United States (Eugene Delgaudio)

Ruth Institute (Jennifer Roback Morse)

Save California (Randy Thomasson)

Traditional Values Coalition (Andrea Sheldon)

World Congress of Families/Howard Center for Family, Religion and Society (Allan Carlson)
As you can see, this is quite a large group, representing many millions of Americans and including some of the most accomplished and effective pro-family leaders in the United States. Who knew that these great Americans were the moral equivalents of neo-Nazi Stormtroopers and the Ku Klux Klan?

Hating truth

They are not, of course. Not even close. Could it be that leftists who deliberately conflate mere opposition to the LGBTQ agenda — a revolutionary sin movement that has destroyed the sanctity of marriage in the law and is leading the assault on citizens’ right to live according to the dictates of their faith with hatred— are the ones truly guilty of hate-mongering?

Common sense and logic tell us that those who resist a deviant-sex movement that has produced such profound evils as “pregnant men”; perversion-positive “Christianity”; and teaching little children that they can “become” the opposite sex though medical manipulations of their young bodies, are motivated not by malice or bigotry but rather a heartfelt desire to ward off the social destruction that comes from celebrating unnatural behaviors.

There is a popular saying in Christian, pro-family circles today: “Those who hate the truth call truth hate.”

I believe that at some level that is true, because when “journalists” cavalierly repeat politically calculated tripe like the SPLC’s “hate” smear as if it is authoritative and meaningful, they demonstrate contempt for sincere people of faith simply trying to follow God.

Besides, one of the “old school” rules of “fair” journalism is that in covering a cultural debate, you do not rely on one group’s biased characterization of its opponents, to preserve the ideal of a disinterested, neutral news story. Of course, those days are long gone as most media have shorn any pretense of objectivity and are increasingly fanatical cheerleaders for Big Gay and Big Trans. (What’s next, Big Poly?)

Go with the Big Lie

And so we behold a Fourth Estate very much interested and dutiful in advancing the “narrative” of one side of the “culture war” over homosexuality and “transgenderism,” using the noble-sounding cover of “civil rights.” Most media don’t even bother anymore to get viewpoints of the “other side” on this issue, or if they do, it’s often just a token quote to help reporters feel like they’re being fair.

This makes the SPLC’s goal of advancing its bold, pro-LGBT “hate” lie much easier than it should be.

It turns out that the “Big Lie” tactic attributed to Hitler was something he accused “the Jews” of doing in his 1925 autobiography, Mein Kampf, years before he led a demonization- and then genocidal government campaign against them. But history records that the mustached Nazi dictator and his henchmen (most notably Nazi propaganda minister Josef Goebbels) became masters of the tactic, ultimately using it as part of their horrifyingly evil program against Jews, Poles, and other “undesirables.”

Hitler wrote: “For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.”

Today’s leftist liars understand this harsh reality and know that their “end justifies the means” approach toward delegitimizing pro-family conservatives as “hateful” bigots yields big political and cultural dividends — and scares the media away from featuring conservatives in their stories.

So rather than oppose pro-family groups civilly on public-policy issues concerning homosexuality and gender confusion (transgenderism), the Left resorts to a sophisticated version of name-calling. It began in the post-Stonewall ‘70s, as radical “gay” activists held up signs equating prominent religious opponents of organized homosexuality, like Anita Bryant, with Hitler.

From there it went to tarring their foes as “homophobes,” a term invented by pro-“gay” psychologist George Weinberg, who neatly flipped the pathology from homosexual behavior itself to opposing homosexuality.

Ultimately, the SPLC “codified” that Big Lie, as it were, with its “hate-labeling” strategy that preposterously mixes Christian, pro-family groups opposed to the LGBTQ (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer) Lobby with vile neo-Nazis and white race-warriors.

The SPLC claims it is not demonizing moral and religious opposition to homosexuality but only the methods that the above conservative groups use to oppose the LGBTQ movement, but this is an absurd technicality. In another column, I will expose the arbitrariness of the SPLC’s “criteria” for determining which groups belong on its “anti-LGBT” “hate map.”

‘I’m not a hater?’

And yet, despicable as the SPLC’s hate-smear campaign is, it is highly effective. Making the spurious charge against morality-defenders as “haters” is far easier to do in our post-Christian, morally dumbed-down culture than defending oneself against the loaded accusation.

Indeed, forcing conservatives and Christians to plead defensively, “I’m not … ” is part of the SPLC’s propaganda strategy. We have become a society of simplistic slogans, like “Love is love” and “marriage equality.” In such a culture, accusing good-hearted Christians and conservatives of “hating gays” merely because they oppose (very unhealthy) homosexual behavior, “gay marriage” and creating sin-based “rights” is par for the course.

Denying that you are a “hater” when the most powerful forces in society — media, corporations, academia — are matter-of-factly echoing the SPLC smear — is sort of like denying that you beat your wife. You would never beat your wife — you are called to love her sacrificially as Christ loved the Church — but suddenly you are accused of having abused her, by an organization lionized by the press. A cunning, well-funded organization masquerading as a “civil rights” champion whose allegations are repeated far and wide with an air of moral authority and respectability.

Your pleas about the falseness of the outrageous smear are shared by friends (some similarly accused of beating their wives) but together you are drowned out by a chorus of enemies who have won the sympathy of the corrupt media.

Your only hope for justice is that a large and growing army of people — aided by some counter-cultural media leaders — comes to your aid and exposes the hateful slanders and the wicked organization behind them, so that nobody will ever believe its lies again.

This is how we must counter the SPLC’s calculated, cynical “Big Lie” against people of faith who humbly set out to speak truth, in the love of Christ, about one of the most difficult issues of our age.

Next: The shoddy research, irrationality and arbitrariness of the SPLC’s LGBT “hate group” lie.

Peter LaBarbera, Lifesite News 13 Comments [3/16/2019 6:02:32 AM]
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Quote# 142866

Chelsea Clinton is so fucking annoying. She openly condemned Ilhan Omar for speaking negatively about Israel, actual monsters, and tried to play it like Anti-Semitism, spoiler its not. Now she’s crying because Muslim’s are rightfully mad at her for pretending to care about them.

em, Twitter 8 Comments [3/17/2019 10:00:22 AM]
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Quote# 98149

Male bastard children should be sterilized by age nine and the mother sterilized at the birth of her first bastard child.

Society does not need bastards making more bastards, or even birthing more legitimate children.

Most bastards have a propensity to become social criminals and hate God's do's and don't laws.

Occasionally a bastard will break loose from the hell-bound plunge its mother has sent him on and will choose to serve God in mind, soul and body.

If this happens God expects the saved bastard to lead others of illegitimate birth into holiness living for Jesus.

R. Michael Hands, Profitable Doctrines from an Endtime Prophet 54 Comments [12/10/2013 4:06:53 AM]
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Quote# 142477

If you’re reading this post, you may be well aware of the ongoing pressure to conform and accept anything other than heterosexuality and heterosexual marriage and to affirm it. This is well known to the Christian community today, particularly through things such as the heavily publicised Asher’s Bakery lawsuit, and Tony Campolo’s heavily debated open letter about homosexuality almost two years ago. But in the last day, a new Facebook seems to be getting started.

I woke up this morning to a notification on Facebook of someone who goes around on various Christian Facebook pages for the purposes of trolling having posted a gay pride GIF on a public post of mine. Generally my posts are only available to be viewed by my friends and are not public, but certain posts are public and it is those posts that have been targeted.

This short post has been written to flag this up for any Christians out there who read this and may possibly encounter this. If this happens to you, I would encourage you to delete the post. It’s really just a means for these trolling characters to try and push your buttons and make you react, don’t give in to them. Just delete the post. You don’t need that kind of attention on your personal profile.

Sometime in the future I will be releasing a post on sexuality which will aim to look at the possible reasons from this kind of behaviour, as it is also seen in some Christians as well unfortunately. But for now, keep your eyes peeled and don’t let you personal profile be overrun with trolls posting these GIF’s on your personal profile. It’s just a means to take a stab at you and your beliefs.

Mark Jones, Theology Review 4 Comments [3/15/2019 6:36:09 PM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 142814

[RageFuel] Incels and autists are nothing but cheap labour to society

Society doesn’t care about us in any other way than our ability to perform simple, repetitive tasks for little pay. Once we lose that ability of get tired, our value goes down to zero.

-In highschool I was always the observer
. An observer of people in relationships, watching people kiss, standing in corners while normal kids experienced victory, friendship, happiness travel and all the majestic things normal people get to experience. In groups I was always the one who never said anything, infact nobody knew I was even there

Fast forward to age 23: All anybody cares about is my ability to hold down a job. As soon as I began experiencing medical symptoms, my co-workers went from somewhat nice and acknowledging of me to cold and mean. After being invisible in my youth, I’ve lost what little value I have to people; my ability to lift things and clean things

Actually Autistic, incels.is 7 Comments [3/14/2019 5:32:29 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 142830

GenETHICS = GENOCIDE

The equals sign corresponds to the iatrocapitalistic principle of equivalence, for instance: 1 kg ham = 12 US $, or 1 labor force = 60 US $ per day, or 1 kidney = 24.000 US $, travel expenses and transplantation included, or 1 pair of imported eye cornea = 4.500 US $.

The genETHICS („bioETHICS“) gets its prattling nonentity paid with 5% of the Human Genom Project’s budget.

Each science with its „heads and tails“ (i.e. with the one and the other side of the coin respectively), from the most exact science to the ethics, has been ever since and continues to be from its very foundation and long before the Nazis appeared: a murder-market’s logic of the exclusion of contradictions … fundamentalist dogma of the identity of all commerce & ex/change, doings and dealings, from monet-Aryanism to euGENazics, no matter under which sign whatsoever, positive or negative alike, it makes no difference. We pointed out those relations already two years ago, in Vienna, because of then current events, and the doctors had to call for the ambulance and were forced to take their leave in the French manner, to the astonishment of the international participants of the conference.

This bioETHICS is one of the many marsh plants of the capitalist production process in which [b]production is identical to destruction of life. Since the years of 1970/71 in the Socialist Patients’ Collective (SPK), we have denounced this process as differential euthanasia because of its permanent, methodical and systematic character of selection of its victims. „The products are valuable only because they contain life being destroyed, the lives of the exploited being used up. They are, therefore, murder weapons and valuable because they have blood on them. The exchange of products is equivalent to the exchange of life being murdered by installments, is equivalent to the exchange of illness“ (SPK-Dokumentation II). What counts are the economic necessities that is the ravenous hungering for surplus value, at the advantage of only a few people. The one who is not efficient or capable of producing surplus value is selected either for being repaired (what they call „healing“) or for being definitely rejected as unfit. During a public discussion (20.2.1970, thus shortly after the first self-organized plenum of patients in world and history on 12.2.70) one week before the foundation of the SPK, in February 1970, professors of Medicine of all medical specialization had to admit unwillingly in front of the public that „physicians do not certify and treat illness but incapability to work, and therefore they do not exercise any medicine but rather carry on some kind of tool making business, and that from the childbed to the dissection table“ (Huber, founder of the SPK: „Der vollständige Krankheitsbegriff“ in SPK-Dokumentation III).

Scientific progress is unstoppable? Nobel Prize Winner Werner Heisenberg 1970: „The Patients’ Front in the SPK cannot at all be overtaken“, Nobel Prize Winner Werner Heisenberg 1970 in Heidelberg (remembering his scientific contributions to atomic damages). REVOLUTIONARY ILLNESS THE ONLY BASIC MATTER AND MEANS OF KNOW-HOW AND CHANGE.

„Health“ is a nazi-biologist figment of the mind, meaning simply that the symptoms are situated in such a way that the sick fits in with the process of exploitation without difficulties. By consequence, „healing“ is the process of alienation and expropriation of illness, and being „healthy“ means being dead alive.

No matter whether being repaired or sorted out, the doctors’ class has a firm grip of the labor force, of yours too and of each and every one. Just as Huber put it, in 1976:

„The specific, species-creating characteristic of the human species which, by the scholastic-patristic tradition, was covered up as atomon eidos and differentia specifica and handed over to the responsibility of the therapists who, unfortunately, did not limit themselves to split only hairs and such alike [in the Greek ecclesiastical doctrine the term therapeutes means cleric (German: Pfaffe)], and which was determined biologically by L. Feuerbach but discovered and generalized as labor only with Marx, this specific, species-creating characteristic of the human species has now become entirely the medical profession’s secret cause. …
Medicine does not only just program the human species in general and in particular –: all medicine is industrial medicine. Every one takes part and contributes to it, and more than only taxes. And where does that journey go to? … Where automation and computer technology are leaving the species-creating principle labor to the past, more speedily in Capitalism and more thoroughly in Socialism, there Iatrocracy (the medical doctors’ dictatorship) needs no longer restrain itself to find its limited fulfillment in the treatment of sick labor force (medicalized industry, industrialized clinics). Iatrocracy is setting itself up as the species-creating principle, is becoming labor of labor, labor as such, the one and only labor. It finishes off (German: „schafft“, here with the sense of „erledigt“) Man: as a test-tube cross-breed in its own image, finishing planetary imperialism up to brain-imperialism, and makes the productive proletariat go to the dogs via its cock (German: über den Schwanz auf den Hund) by the means of coercive differential euthanasia. Just as before. Dying without end is a politically programmed species-universality, if not under the venture’s trade mark of the staff of Aesculapius so under the MO Chief of Staff (medical officer in command)“ (SPK-Dokumentation III).


The statements of medical doctors and of their bioethical accomplices about the structure of the cell nucleus („good / bad genes“, „desired / undesired genes“, „worthy / unworthy“) are actually and always implying a selection pursuant to medical criteria: the loading platform of Auschwitz in the clinic and in the test-tube, without the victims’ sobs and screams of pain, and without their resistance too – EuthaNAZIa / EugeNAZIcs.

Talking about fighting „hereditary diseases“ means obscuring and covering up the facts, that is the extermination on a huge scale of their carriers and the preventive death penalty against them. It’s exactly this difference that those obscurantists in their white coats try to keep hidden.

Under the false pretense to „heal humanity from its slavery caused by the genes“, the eugenETHICist doctors are promoting the geneticallization of the whole society, of the whole planet. In order to get everybody’s consent, they transform the „hereditary defect“ Iatrocapitalism, the only hereditary defect which really exists, into a „genetic defect“ of the persons themselves, into the „inevitable fate“ of those „afflicted by a genetic defect“. In this way they try to make us all accomplices of our own exploitation and alienation, in order to make us to lose sight of the fact that the only possibility to liberate ourselves from Iatrocapitalism is to turn into action on the basis of illness as a protest against the iatrocapitalistic relations of production.

Talking of the „free will“ of those concerned („we don’t force anyone“) – and all of us are affected – in a class society under the dictatorship of economic necessities is demagogy and medicynical mockery of the victims. – The proof to the contrary is the enemy’s concern. We have decided, for a long time already: in favor of illness.

Abortion – in favor of or against it? Behold those of the doctors’ class who are aborting cheerfully the human species even before it has come into existence. And without questioning as to whether it is the human species that is missing. And there is lacking even the idea that species is lacking. Or do you know anyone, be it an average citizen or a university philosopher, who has raised that question, let alone give an answer to it? Bring him up, if you have one! You can be sure of the gratitude of future generations; or should one call them clones meanwhile instead of generations, in order to keep up with the times?

In this iatrocapitalist system, in which the ruling law is that of the economic strongest, that is the genetically strongest, it’s always illness that is in the right. Illness can’t be eradicated like weed, can’t be brought into line with the mechanisms of exchange and of value concepts.

Those who genETHICally justify the anticipation of death by euthaNAZIa or through „genetic intervention“ cling to an allegedly „social demand“ (i.e. the market, see above) in order to „avoid an evil“, to end „a life which is not worth being lived“, be it „on demand“ of the affected ones or of their next of kin or be it without even asking the „affected ones“ who have not been born yet. Apart from being the basis of production, „demand“ itself, in order to be „demand“, is depending on a certain object being produced, i.e. „demand“ is a product itself, the result of the production process. – If someone suffers from an „incurable“ disease or from „unbearable conditions“ of illness, e.g. for being the victim of a car accident, then this is not an unfathomable fate but the consequence of a preliminary decision of economic and political „nature“ taken by those in power. If someone dies of cancer, this is due to the fact that long before his birth already the course of his life has been set in such a way that his life is kept on low heat in order to fit with economic necessities that serve only a few people. But a life kept on low heat is susceptible to all sorts of damages provoked by external influences. And it is exactly medical „experts“ who determine the „threshold value“ for the daily portion of poison which we are forced to embody. „Unfathomable fate“? „It is you yourself that is to blame“? „Hereditary disease“? Go, ask the doctors and their bioethical accomplices! They will answer to you that, examining the cell nucleus under the microscope, they have not yet seen such a thing as Capitalism, and even more unlikely such a thing as Iatrocapitalism. Narrow-mindedness or are they protecting their professional interests and acting in self-defense? – We have read their articles very carefully, indeed. Did you, too? Did you understand everything? What are the interests that you are pursuing? The interests of patients or the vested interests of your profession? Be aware that your interests as patients carry thousand times more weight than any other interest, because once your „genetic defects“ will be discovered, the one or the other of your promising professional careers will be destroyed. Then you will get a fat pension, or may be you will not. The doctors’ class with its auxiliary services is following you, as long as you live, at every step, from the closet to the consultation hours at the out-patient’s department. They are waiting, with patience or not, for your consent to your death (euthaNAZIa). Who is just about losing his patience first? For this you can eagerly wait in suspense. But then it will be too late for any protest, rebellion and revolution. Because the world doesn’t have time for everything eternally.

The question whether „you want to continue to live“ you have answered positively already by reading this pamphlet. But have you asked yourselves already if you want to continue to live that way? The decision is all yours!

TAKE ILLNESS IN YOUR OWN HANDS !
CONFRONT THE DOCTORS’ CLASS WITH THE PATIENTS’ CLASS !

Clones? No, not at all!
But generation of a Patients’ Class against the Doctors’ Class,
revolutionary generation, generation by generation!
SPK, the very first beginning.

Create Patients’ Collectives, everywhere!

TURN ILLNESS INTO A WEAPON !


(Emphasis original)

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[Serious] I respect modern day criminals.

Most criminals are in reality incels who try to make a living, I've applied for 100's minimum wage jobs and have been to several job interviews and I got rejected every fucking time. I suppose many criminals are like me, short and ugly and are not accepted in the system... Naturally they will find other means to make a living... I hated criminals at first because of the NPC/Normie indoctrination, the truth is that criminals are incels who are trying to make best out of life. I don't hate criminals anymore.

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rene jax: How many more thousands of children will suffer at the hands of a medical profession with these Nazi-esque experimental procedures before they are called out for what they are? Why does your medical profession allow these treatments for a condition they do not know the cause of? Giving cross sex identity confused children these drugs, when there has been NO proven research as to the actual cause of the condition is nothing short of child abuse. It is experimentation worthy of Dr. Mengele. Keep up the good work Turban, your name will go down in history books with Josephs.

Jack Turban MD MHS: I'm afraid you are misrepresenting history here. The Nazis sadly destroyed institutes in Germany that provided medical care and support for transgender individuals. The Institute of Sex Research in Berlin was one such target. Magnus Hirschfeld, director of the institute, was one of the earliest advocates for gay and transgender rights. With the rise of the Nazis and the destruction of his institute, he ultimately went into exile in France. His books supporting transgender and gay rights were burned along with those of Jewish authors, those that discussed evolution, etc.

rene jax: Mr. Turban. Once again your LGBT politics is blinding you to reality. The only thing that separates your TS hormone therapy and SRS from the work Joseph Mengele performed in the camps is a signed consent form. There is no valid science behind the "science" of your medical treatments for people with this condition. Simply following your medical predecessors line of treatments, and regurgitating their beliefs that gender confusion is not a treatable/curable condition shows intellectual laziness and an unimaginable hubris. While your education background is impressive. My knowledge comes from a half century of living as a transsexual and the now clear knowledge that the medical profession's propensity toward writing scripts for hormones and sexual mutilation is false. Even Stoller had to eventually come to grips with the fact that SRS outcomes were a failure. They and yours are all inline with those very same ideas that Hirschfeld, Benjamin, Mengele, Money and Freeman promoted and ruined the lives of so many. Let's agree to disagree.


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A recent email from a friend: "Sue, I'm seeing more and more 'evangelical' churches come out in support of gay marriage. Also, Christian friends are changing their views on the validity of the LGBT lifestyle being acceptable for a Christ-follower. I start worrying that I'm missing something, and even start questioning my beliefs."

No, my dear friend, you are not missing something, but it is a good time to question (not doubt) your beliefs so you can be more convinced than ever that the Creator God has not changed and neither has His word.

I think there are two big reasons so many confessing believers in Christ have allowed themselves to be more shaped by the culture than by the truth of God's word, drifting into spiritual compromise and even into apostasy (abandoning the truth of one's faith). This is not a new problem; the apostle Paul urged his readers in Rome, "Don't let the world around you squeeze you into its own mold, but let God re-mold your minds from within. . ." (Romans 12:2, Phillips).

Reason One: Rejecting the Authority of God's Word

The bitter fruit of several decades of shallow preaching, teaching and discipleship is that many believers have been especially vulnerable to Satan's deceptive question to Eve in the Garden of Eden: "Did God really say . . .?" When Christians ignore or flat-out reject the unmistakably clear biblical statements condemning homosexual relationships, they are playing into the enemy's temptation to justify disobedience by making feelings and perceptions more important than God's design and standards.

There are now two streams of thought on same-sex relationships and behavior, the Traditional View and the Revisionist View. The Revisionist View basically says, "It doesn't matter what the Bible actually says, it doesn't mean what 2000 years of church history has said it means, it means what we want it to say."

People are redefining the Bible, gender and marriage according to what will let them do what they want, when they should (in my opinion) be asking the insightful question posed by Paul Mooris in Shadow of Sodom, "[A]m I trying to interpret Scripture in the light of my proclivity, or should I interpret my proclivity in the light of Scripture?"

The Bible:
Traditional View
The Bible is inspired by a Holy God and is inherently true and trustworthy. The Bible is written by men, but divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit and is sealed by a God of truth and authority.
Revisionist View
The scriptures which traditional Christianity understands to condemn homosexuality [such as Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; 1 Timothy 1:9-10] have either been mistranslated, yanked out of context or were only appropriate to the culture of that time. Therefore, we no longer have to follow passages we don't like.

Sexuality:
Traditional View
Sexuality and sex are God's good gifts to men and women. While sexuality is an essential attribute of human nature, our Creator did not intend it to be the defining characteristic of humanity.
Revisionist View
Sexuality—the feelings and attractions one feels for other people—is God ordained, diverse, deeply personal and morally permissible. One's sexual orientation, whatever it is, should be celebrated as one of God's good gifts.

Gender:
Traditional View
God created both male and female in His image, and each gender reflects different aspects of the imago Dei. God's sovereign choice of gender for every person reflects His intention for that person's identity; it is one of the ways in which he or she glorifies Him as Creator.
Revisionist View
We are free to make a distinction between sex and gender. Sex is biological maleness or femaleness at birth, and gender is how one feels about their "true" maleness or femaleness internally. Based on Galatians 3:28, "there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Marriage:
Traditional View
Marriage is God-ordained between one man and one woman in a lifelong, monogamous, covenantal relationship. The Bible begins with the marriage of Adam and Eve, and ends with the marriage of the Lamb (Jesus) and the Bride (the church). The complementarity of husband and wife express God's intention of both genders in marriage.
Revisionist View
Homosexual behavior is appropriate within the confines of a committed, loving, monogamous, lifelong, Christ-centered relationship.

Both individual Christians and churches have drifted into endorsing same-sex relationships because it always feels better to follow one's flesh than to follow Jesus' call to "deny yourself, take up your cross and follow Me" (Matt. 16:24).

Reason Two: Snagged by the Gay Agenda

In addition to those several decades of shallow preaching, teaching and discipleship I mentioned earlier, many believers have not been submitting themselves to the truth of the Word of God. By default, then, they were easily shaped and swayed by the six points of a brilliantly designed "Gay Manifesto" spelled out in a book called After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90s. Originally published as an essay called "The Overhauling of Straight America" that was published in a gay magazine, the authors laid out this plan which has been executed perfectly in the United States. (The quotes below are from the essay, found here)

1. Desensitization and normalization of homosexuals in mainstream America. Talk about gays and gayness as loudly and often as possible.

"The principle behind this advice is simple: almost any behavior begins to look normal if you are exposed to enough of it at close quarters and among your acquaintances.

"In the early stages of any campaign to reach straight America, the masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed and gay rights should be reduced to an abstract social question as much as possible. First let the camel get his nose inside the tent—only later his unsightly derriere!"

2. Portray members of the LGBTQ community as victims. Indoctrinate mainstream America that members of the LGBTQ community were "born this way."

"In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be cast as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to assume the role of protector."

"Now, there are two different messages about the Gay Victim that are worth communicating. First, the mainstream should be told that gays are victims of fate, in the sense that most never had a choice to accept or reject their sexual preference. The message must read: 'As far as gays can tell, they were born gay, just as you were born heterosexual or white or black or bright or athletic. Nobody ever tricked or seduced them; they never made a choice, and are not morally blameworthy. What they do isn't willfully contrary - it's only natural for them. This twist of fate could as easily have happened to you!'"

3. Give protectors a just cause: anti-discrimination

"Our campaign should not demand direct support for homosexual practices, should instead take anti-discrimination as its theme."

4. The use of TV, music, film and social media to desensitize mainstream Americans to their plight as gay people

Over the past 25 years, gay characters, on TV especially, have captured the hearts of American viewers because they were attractive, funny, smart—the kind of characters viewers would like to be. No one was shown the dark underside of gay bars and bathhouses, or same-sex domestic violence, or having to get one's HIV+ status checked.

5. Portray gays and lesbians as pillars in society. Make gays look good.

"From Socrates to Shakespeare, from Alexander the Great to Alexander Hamilton, from Michelangelo to Walt Whitman, from Sappho to Gertrude Stein, the list is old hat to us but shocking news to heterosexual America. In no time, a skillful and clever media campaign could have the gay community looking like the veritable fairy godmother to Western Civilization."

Use celebrities and celebrity endorsement. And who doesn't love Ellen DeGeneres?

6. Once homosexuals have begun to gain acceptance, anti-gay opponents must be vilified, causing them to be viewed as repulsive outcasts of society.

"Our goal is here is twofold. First, we seek to replace the mainstream's self-righteous pride about its homophobia with shame and guilt. Second, we intend to make the antigays look so nasty that average Americans will want to dissociate themselves from such types.

"The public should be shown images of ranting homophobes whose secondary traits and beliefs disgust middle America. These images might include: the Ku Klux Klan demanding that gays be burned alive or castrated; bigoted southern ministers drooling with hysterical hatred to a degree that looks both comical and deranged; menacing punks, thugs, and convicts speaking coolly about the 'fags' they have killed or would like to kill; a tour of Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed."

This is how I see how we got to this place where so many people have been deceived. They didn't anchor themselves to the Truth of the Word of God, and they opened themselves to the cultural brine of Kirk and Madsen's plan to overhaul straight America.

And it worked.

I will close with three personal observations about this situation:

Christians have bought into the culture's worship of feelings over God's unchanging revelation
People love how being a protector of the underdog makes them feel
Not enough of us Christ-followers are living lives that demonstrate the beauty and satisfaction of abiding in Christ
To my sweet friend who asked the question, let me say: God's good gift of sex and the intimacy of the marriage relationship is still intended ONLY for one man and one woman for life. In the beginning, one (Adam) became two (when God formed Eve from Adam), and then the two became one again. That is a deep mystery that makes all variations and deviations on God's intention wrong.

I am indebted to Hope Harris for her insight and analysis of this question.

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