[This is in response to the question should Evolution and Creationism be taught in school]
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It's so simple, so why can't fundies understand this: teach religion in churches, teach science in schools.
If you really want religion taught in schools, start a class called Comparative Theology, and let the bloodbath begin.
but i think if one is taught so should the other one.
Bullshit. Or do you mind your children being taught about the world being made from the carcass of a giant slain by Odin and co. Or that the world is in fact on the back of a great turtle? Or...or...or... You're not shooting for equal time, you're shooting for YOUR time.
I think perhaps you should go back a few years, and learn grammar, spelling, punctuation, and composition. Once you've figured those out, come back, try again, and then I'll simply answer that the schools are there to teach facts, not lies. Therefore, evolution over horseshit.
What Brain_ said.
Also, in the best interest of EQUALITY, you will learn all the other three thousand creation myths.
Science will continue to be science, with reproducible results and world-wide expert consensus on the main points.
It's not an either/or situation. It's not science one one side and biblical creationism on the other. There are literaly thousands of religious creation myths out there, and no matter how much you throw around the word "equality", I doubt that you would want all of those myths taught in school on an equal footing with your own.
Even if the theory of evolution can be scientifically proven to be wrong that doesn't mean that creationism is automatically true. Science isn't about equality, it isn't about majority rule, or democracy, It's about proof and the ability for that proof to be reproduced by anybody who takes the time to do the experiments
What college is that, again? Bob Jones? I admit, I think both evolution and creationism should be taught in school, but in their proper places. Evolution in science class, and creationism in a religion class. I wouldn't want to go to a calculus class to learn about the history of the Roman Empire.
Here's how to teach all creation stories with the equality they deserve (as done in Australian schools):
2. Assign the class a homework assignment in which each and every person in the class must choose a different creation story to study and then present an explanation of that creation story to the class the only condition is that you must have a source on that creation story from actual believers of that creation story (e.g. xtian one from the bible, Islamic one from the Koran etc). Note that this can be any creation story! (I personally did pastafarianism Hail the Noodly Appendage!).
3. By presenting all these creation stories from student research (therefore not being taught as true or false by a teacher) side by side with evolution it also assists the teaching process by showing these stories all to be as silly as one another.
4. The science textbook also specifically debunks young earth creationism and acquired traits theory by looking at scientific history in which some past scientists have succeeded and failed in their methodologies. e.g. it mentions an experiment in which rats tails were cut off for 10 successive generations to see if the trait would inherit. And it mentions the specific experiments that show unequivocally that the earth is older than 6000 years.
In my science textbook (which I had in year 9) in the physics section it also has a series of parts that debunk theories of the flat earth after the fun fact that people used to think the earth was flat.
Anyway that's what Aussies do to keep the Fundies quiet.
If I were Prof. Howard and I read this from one of my students, I would resign my chair and hide myself away.
If Howard is the one that Zimmer found, then he is an ecologist. His internet entry makes no mention of Jesus as far as I can see. Perhaps he is a good teacher, but one whose students, if poohbear is anything to go by, may not have the ability to think rationally. It must be very disheartening.
Can't he send his students back to remedial classes to learn how to write in English, and to think for themselves? Must try harder, Professor!
fergus
I don't know Mr. Howard, but his being a "science professor" and a "Strong Believer in Jesus" proves absolutely nothing about his stance on creationism (though you seem to imply he believes in it). The fact that he is your "science professor" rather than something more specific says to me you have likely have little basis (and probably even less understanding of the concepts you do have) to determine whether or not creationism is "equal" to evolutionary theory.
Fundie fucktards always bitch about how those ebil libruls are always pushing stuff they don't like and calling it equality.
Then again, self-awareness is anathema to a fundie, so this is par for the course.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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