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Quote# 137452

(full exchange posted here quoted is the other poster)

Marriage makes someone your family. All the griping about how gays need marriage without even knowing what is, smdh


I mean your spouse is close family, even closer than your parents. That's what marriage means, that's the whole basis of the "hospital visits" people said were so important

Yeah I got that
The bringing in the gays part

I mean liberals who demanded so loudly for gay marriage, often don't even know what marriage is. Marriage is a lifelong commitment, a serious responsibility. Divorce is a perversion, a wrong, an evil. Making perversion the norm and responsibility the exception, as the OP advocates, stems from a complete absence of distinction

The Parkus Empire, nationstates 16 Comments [3/24/2018 3:25:21 AM]
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Submitted By: zyr

Quote# 137451

There have been historical examples of polygamy but that doesn't make it a true, committed, intimate relationship between a man and a women. The marriage ideal is a total commitment to the opposite sex spouse. That is impossible with...... say six spouses.
My point is that once you open hell's gate by condoning homosexual marriage how can you then limit any other bizarre preferred relationship. No I haven't lost, it is you that has lost by condoning unnatural, unhealthy, and yes sinful sex acts.
Honestly this topic is becoming toxic and boring. I will never be convinced a subject as 'dark' as homosexual sex is 'light'. I have had literally scores of replies, mostly negative, but far far more 'thumbs' up in number, indicating there are vast numbers that hold exactly the same position as I yet are not as vocal, as politically terroristic as the homosexual community.

Boxlock, Politico 10 Comments [3/24/2018 3:24:27 AM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 137450

Christians aren't insisting that. We just want to be left alone, and not have homosexual perversion pushed into society as normal because it isn't. It is a sick perversion. You know it, I know it and everyone knows it no matter how much they lie about it.

Boxlock, Politico 11 Comments [3/24/2018 3:23:45 AM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 137448

(about Stephen Hawking)

I won't be a regular contributor to the board anymore, but wanted to see what was going on after I learned of the spinach man's sad passing. I'm sorry to hear he expired, Moose, and I sincerely hope the little munchkin repented and got to know his awesome God before he crossed over into the afterlife. If not, well... you know. Boiled spinach, right?

His4Life, FSTDT comments 10 Comments [3/24/2018 3:22:23 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 137447

People stop homosexuals from marrying each other, or try to oppose homosexual practices, not because they have sin in their hearts, but because homosexuality is a sin and the people caught in it should not be encouraged to continue in it or allowed to lead others into it. Opposition to homosexuality is not because homosexuals are special or fabulous. In fact, being caught in the sin of homosexuality doesn't mean that you're automatically special or fabulous. That's just not logical. There are dullards and douchebags in every segment of society, including the gay one.
There's good reason why the bible forbids homosexuality. Just look at what's happened to society as the biblical moral restraints have been relaxed more and more. People are getting involved in ever more perverted sexual practices and general lawlessness, and it's bringing down the whole of society.
I've yet to read the links that purport to show how the bible allegedly doesn't teach that homosexuality is a sin, but I'm expecting a lot of scripture-twisting and logical fallacies and appeals to emotion and love. (yeah, like love should never be tough aye?)
One thing I wonder about, are all these gay christians happy to remain completely celibate until they've found and married their life partner? (And choose to remain married for life too of course.) Or, since they feel that homosexuality is biblically OK, it's therefore also OK to be sexually promiscuous and engage in fornication and adultery? Since the homosexual lifestyle is so much about hedonism, promiscuity, and fornication, I suspect it's the latter.

I've read the arguments for gay relationships and sure enough there's a bit of scripture twisting going on. Drawing rather a long bow by claiming gay relationships for David and Jonathan, and Ruth and Naomi, the Roman centurion's and his servant, and that the Ethiopian enuch was gay, NONE of which are clearly and unambiguously stated but that is merely the inference preferred by gay people because it suits them. And what is initially postulated as "might be" and "could be" later magically transmogrifies into cold hard fact, upon which the rest of the house of cards is built. Then they go on about the hebrew words for shrine prostitutes (both male and female) and imply that therefore Leviticus 18:22 is not talking about homosexual sex but about sex with shrine prostitutes. Trouble is, Leviticus 18:22 does not use the words for shrine prostitutes, so if it's meant to be speaking against sex with shrine prostitutes why doesn't it simply use the words for shrine prostitutes? Answer: Because it's not talking about shrine prostitutes but about men having sex with men, plain and simple.
One must also ask why the one book in the bible that deals almost exclusively with erotic love (Song of Songs) does not depict any relationship EXCEPT that between a man and a woman. If the bible is supposed to be pro-gay, why the glaring omission in Song of Songs?

So, no, I'm not convinced.
I'm horrified that people would interpret scripture so permissively that it ends up saying something totally different from what a straightforward reading of it suggests. It's like looking at a black dog and saying well because of X, Y, and Z we have to conclude that it's really a white dog. And then staking your eternal destiny on that. Yikes! I think it's wiser to step back from the line, not over it.

Jo Brown, Patheos 9 Comments [3/24/2018 3:22:08 AM]
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Quote# 137446

(The top half of the image depicts a gun pointed at someone's head and the label "The State"; the bottom half depicts a handshake and the label "The Market")

#libertarain #voluntaryism #consent #freeblr #free market

moralanarchism, Tumblr 7 Comments [3/24/2018 3:21:51 AM]
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Submitted By: Thanos6

Quote# 137439

With each passing day, the ramp up of the Trump administration to a pro-Israel position is astounding. The pick of John Bolton to replace H.R. McMaster as National Security Advisor, in light of the upcoming May 14th 70th anniversary of regathered Israel, is something right out of a Left Behind novel. You could not ask for someone who is more pro-Israel, and pro-Jerusalem for the Jews than John Bolton. The end times prophecy table is almost completely set now, nearly all the players have taken the stage, all we need is for the Lord to flip the switch and call us up and out of here. Flight #777 on Titus213 Airlines is now boarding...all eyes on May 14th.

Geoffrey Grider, Now The End Begins 5 Comments [3/24/2018 3:21:21 AM]
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Quote# 137425

I received an e-mail to help fund a webseries about polyamory and one of their catch phrases is “any choice is valid as long as consent is involved”…. Like no. Consent isn’t magic and doesn’t make everything you do “valid”. What kind of idiots are these people. But again they’re making a webseries about polyamory, so i’m not that surprised.

Why do people who advocate for new sexual identities and gender identities sound abusive and rapey nearly all the damn time. You have to stop.

#polyamory #consent #txt

youareboring, Tumblr 4 Comments [3/24/2018 3:18:07 AM]
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Submitted By: Thanos6

Quote# 137417

I guess they think it is a clump of cells before the 1st pill, then a baby in the toilet after the second pill, but if they reverse the first pill, the clump of cells is a baby?!?

Pro-abort "logic" is so very confusing!

WorldGoneCrazy-NotMurderedYet, Live Action News 8 Comments [3/24/2018 3:17:35 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 137386

The important distinction is that Seattle and Portland are obnoxiously PC because they don’t have many NAMs (or haven’t traditionally, though NAMs are migrating to the cities South of Seattle). There is an inverse correlation in obnoxiousness to one’s distance from a problem. Southerners are least obnoxiously PC because daily observable reality makes PC peter pan-ism too great an exercise in cognitive dissonance. In Seattle, with a black population of just over 7% and an Hispanic population just over 6%, your average Seattle SWPL need have no real contact with undesirable blacks and thus has fewer daily experiences that would disabuse them of their peter pan beliefs. Southerners, by comparison, have no real way to avoid coming into contact with undesirable blacks. It is also worth noting that northern blacks are, on average, more intelligent than southern blacks. Likely because the smarter of the group figured out how to leave Dixie back in the day.

Curie, Lion of the Blogosphere 3 Comments [3/24/2018 3:13:36 AM]
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Quote# 137385

Lady Checkmate's headline: "LGBTQ-P?? YEP! They're Finally Adding 'P' for PEDOPHILE /pedosexuality to the LGBT Acronym"


Lady Checkmate:
Come quick Lord. Prayers for ALL victims of pedophilia.

Matthew 18:6 (KJV)
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

It's been obvious for years that the alt-left seeks to legalize child-rpe, BUT God forbid!! This is what they subject children to at their "pride parades":

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 10 Comments [3/24/2018 3:10:32 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 137384

NYC is a zoo and it is, given the fact that there is a large NAM population mixed in with a White demographic.

All of us normal New Yorkers will come to grips that our city under the Giuliani and Bloomberg eras was only a status climbing phase, not that of a status de facto one.

A guy whom I encountered recently, who was from San Diego visiting the Big Apple for a month, told me that NYC is an overpriced dump, with large pockets of mediocrity at best, and larger pockets of dysfunctionality, as he was referring to Manhattan and the NAM areas surrounding it.

The only 2 SWPL friendly cities, free from liberal perversion are San Diego and Minneapolis.

TUJ (The Undiscovered Jew) will probably change his tune about our town, when more NAM problems begin to surface, making NYC a less desirable place to live, all thanks to Bill de Blasio.

How about SWPLs settling in neighboring Indianapolis, which is a basically the prole version of the Twin Cities?

There aren’t many desirable areas left in America; you have to put up with bad weather, proles or NAMs, and in the big liberal cities, a dose of everything that makes your day.

JS, Lion of the Blogosphere 6 Comments [3/24/2018 3:10:14 AM]
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Quote# 137382

The “Read this” school of revolutionary thought

Is so far removed from what we actually need today that I sometimes wish rightists had been successful in suppressing all previous Leftist thought.

We should really burn every Leftist book, erase the pdfs, and purge the quotes. Every single idea we have taken from the past is an impediment to creating a better future.

If you want a revolution, speak to people in terms of their lives and conditions today and their plans for tomorrow.

All publications are banned until further notice.

terminalpolitics, Tumblr 10 Comments [3/24/2018 3:09:00 AM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 137381

[From "The Deuce and a Half is now our official “Truck of Peace”"]

We have people EVERYWHERE. Take note.

A sergeant in the Tennessee State Guard has been reprimanded after engaging in a conversation on social media alluding to running over anti-fascist activists with a military cargo truck.


The Tennessee Department of Military confirmed that Casey Gillespie, who apparently took part in the public discussion with another man on Gillespie’s personal Facebook page, remains a sergeant in the volunteer arm of the department.

As he should be. Sgt. Gillespie was obviously just referring to Tennessee’s proposed legislation SB0944:

Tort Liability and Reform – As introduced, provides civil immunity for the driver of an automobile who injures a protester who is blocking traffic in a public right-of-way if the driver was exercising due care. – Amends TCA Title 19; Title 20; Title 29, Chapter 34; Title 54 and Title 55.

Currently, SB 944 is awaiting the approval of the Senate Judiciary Committee. It is the urgent wish of this author that the State Bill pass immediately before the next antifa rally.


It is the sincere wish of this author that all Tennessee State Guardsmen travel in Deuce and a Half Trucks at all times. You never know when antifa might try to, “block traffic in a public right-of-way.”

Antifa trans-ponies better stick to the sidewalks lol,

JC Hinson

JC Hinson, Occidental Dissent 4 Comments [3/24/2018 2:48:18 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 137445

So the world's science idol Stephen Hawking is dead. Sad to say, all the brains, scientific ideals and his outright atheism got him no closer to Heaven than six feet under. He's burning in Hell right now if he never accepted Christ. What a wasted life, deceiving and being deceived.

God Almighty will not be mocked. He sent His only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, to earth to die on the cross and take away your sins. Sadly Mr. Hawking was a God-hater, but now he wishes he could have one drop of water to cool his tongue. I'm certain that he believes in Jesus now, but alas, it's too late for him!!

Don't waste your life denying Jesus. He loved you enough to shed His precious blood for you. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.

Silent Witness aka kingjameswriter1965, Google Plus 15 Comments [3/23/2018 11:26:55 AM]
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Quote# 137444

Muslim prayer in the education of the Catholic private-gymnasium

PI-NEWS has asked a theologian for an opinion on this affair. According to his view the following arguments are to be held against the proceeding of that school:

* A Catholic school is not allowed to proceed in opposition to the 1st commandment, which says clearly: "I am the Lord, you shall have no other Gods".
* "Allah is not the Christian God" - The God of the Qu'ran us a fully different God from the trinity of God as Father, Son and Holy Ghost. The Qu'ran says that Jesus is a prophet.
* The Bible says in John 14, 6: "I am the way to the truth and life, nobody come to the Lord but through me (Jesus)". Islam knows no baptism.
* In Book Daniël 3 the believers are clearly being asked, not to praise the Gods of Nebukadnezar and to prefer dying in a fire oven.
* Only the awakening of a proyer is in the truth of a child a participation to the prayer. To level this down to pure respect is something that straightens my hair that especially later in school life will be remembered by no one.

Further the following can be said:

* Many parents - especially those around 15km do put their kid with awareness to a Catholic school and expect for good reasons to raise their kid to the one Catholic faith. Who practices the equality of religions confuses the children and raises the kids - whether or not he wants it - to a world relativism far removed from religion. "If the Catholic school allows this, the faith in Allah can't be wrong and my faith loses its uniqueness and importance."

Atheists and agnostics would smile at this point, but we have to respect that to many people faith plays an important role. In the opinion of the author engaged conservative Christians win value and importance as counter pole to the always expanding Islam.

Original German:
Muslimisches Gebet im Unterricht an katholischem Privat-Gymnasium

PI-NEWS hat einen Theologen um seine Meinung zu diesem Sachverhalt gebeten. Aus seiner Sicht sprechen folgende Argumente gegen die Vorgehensweise der Schule:

• Eine katholische Schule darf nicht entgegen dem 1. Gebot handeln, in dem es ganz klar heißt: „Ich bin der Herr dein Gott, du sollst nicht andere Götter haben neben mir.“
• „Allah ist nicht Gott im Sinne des christlichen Gottesbildes“ – Der Gott des Korans ist ein
gänzlich anderer als der Dreieinige Gott aus Vater, Sohn und Heiligem Geist. Der Koran billigt
Jesus lediglich zu, ein Prophet gewesen zu sein.
• Die Bibel sagt in Johannes 14, 6: „Ich bin der Weg und die Wahrheit und das Leben, niemand
kommt zum Vater denn durch mich (Jesus)“. Der Islam kennt keine Taufe.
• Im Buch Daniel 3 werden die Gläubigen ganz klar aufgefordert, nicht Nebukadnezars Götzen
zu huldigen und lieber den Tod im Feuerofen in Kauf zu nehmen.
• Allein das Aufstehen bei einer Gebetshandlung ist in der Wahrnehmung eines Kindes
eine Gebetsteilnahme. Dies zur reinen Respektsbekundung herabstufen zu wollen, ist
Haarspalterei, die vor allem später im Rückblick auf die eigene Schulzeit niemand so in
Erinnerung behalten wird.

Darüber hinaus ist aus weltlicher Sicht zu sagen:

• Viele Eltern – gerade aus dem 15km-Umland – schicken ihre Kinder bewusst an eine
katholische Schule und bezahlen hierfür immerhin auch Schulgeld. Sie erwarten zu Recht
von dieser, ihre Kinder zu dem einen, katholischen Glauben zu erziehen. Wer hier
Gleichstellung der Religionen praktiziert, verwirrt die Kinder und erzieht – ob er es will oder
nicht – zu einem religionsfernen Werterelativismus. „Wenn diese katholische Schule das
zulässt, dann kann der Glauben an Allah nicht falsch sein und mein Glaube verliert seine
Einzigartigkeit und Wichtigkeit.“

Atheisten und Agnostiker mögen an dieser Stelle schmunzeln, jedoch muss man respektieren, dass bei vielen Menschen der Glaube eine wichtige Rolle spielt. Nach Meinung des Autors gewinnen engagierte, konservative Christen als Gegenpol zu dem sich immer weiter ausbreitenden Islam zunehmend an Wert und Wichtigkeit.

EUGEN PRINZ, PI News 5 Comments [3/23/2018 11:26:50 AM]
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Submitted By: hydrolythe

Quote# 137441

Taylor Swift's November 2008 interview with Ellen Degenerate ended up on YouTube, the video has had 982,811 hits; but when Rep. Ron Paul spoke in July of 2009 about The Immorality of Taxpayer Funded Abortion, the video only had 1,732 hits. Isn't that sad? Congressman Ron Paul's video exposing the evils of abortion didn't even have 2,000 hits; but that wicked lewd girl's interview gets nearly 1,000,000 hits!

Taylor Swift is further corrupting the morals of our nation . . .

While her second album, Fearless, hit shelves the previous calendar year, she held the #1 spot on the Billboard chart for three weeks in 2009 and at one point had eight songs on the Hot 100 chart. After performing at the Grammys with friend Miley Cyrus, Swift embarked on a sold-out 52-city North American tour. Among her many accolades, she won album of the year at the Country Music Association Awards and artist of the year at the American Music Awards.


Miniskirts are sinful for women to wear (1st Timothy 2:9). Proverb 7:10 speaks concerning “the attire of an harlot.” Do you think God wants Christian women wearing “the attire of an harlot?” Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus and all the other lascivious harlots of Country Music today are committing evil, corrupting America's youth and are the cause of much sin in our nation. It's high time for born-again, God-fearing, Christ-honoring, sin-hating, soul-loving, soul-winning, Christians to get mad! Tell those whores to go put some clothes on!

I'm talking about good old-fashioned Biblical Christianity. I realize that few people today understand what that is, but America is dying for a lack of God-fearing Christians. Ironically, Taylor Swift attended and graduated from a so-called Christian high school in Tennessee. What kind of morals did they teach there? Somehow, professed Christians all across America have got the notion that it doesn't matter how a woman dresses. It DOES matter to God!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 16 Comments [3/23/2018 11:24:49 AM]
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Quote# 137438

Pedophiles have the exact same ability to develop romantic feelings for children — to fall in love with them — as any other person has for the people they’re attracted to. Of course, a pedophile will have to be in a position where he can have a (completely appropriate) relationship with the child enough to get to know him or her in order for that to happen, and that is not always the case. Many pedophiles choose to avoid being around children for a variety of reasons, ranging from a concern that they will offend — a self-inflicted doubt instilled by the internalization of the prevailing and stigmatizing narrative that all pedophiles are child molesters or ticking time bombs waiting to explode — to a paranoia that others will find out about them if they look a little too long or awkwardly at a child, to simply wanting to avoid the pain of unrequited love, which can be hard to bear. And yet a lot of pedophiles find themselves in a situation where they have fallen in love with a child, and all they can do is suffer it in silence.

In summary, a pedophile’s attraction to children is virtually indistinguishable from a heterosexual man’s attraction to women or a homosexual woman’s attraction to other women. Of course there are variations in the way pedophiles experience their attraction to children, but not in a greater or lesser degree than there are variations in the way others experience their own attractions. For some it is more visceral, more physical/sexual, while for others it is much more emotional, and even paternal in many cases. Pedophiles can certainly obsess over children, but not in any higher degree than any other person can obsess over someone they are attracted to. And of course, pedophiles can behave inappropriately with children, making unsolicited and unwanted sexual advances, but once again, there is no evidence that this would happen at any higher rate among pedophiles than people of other sexual orientations.

Assuming that a pedophile’s attraction to children is inherently perverse or evil is wrong and only contributes to further the stigmatization and vilification of people who, as a group and by definition, are not criminals or desire to harm anyone in any way. Acknowledging that there’s nothing inherently wrong about being attracted to children, given that it’s not something a person was ever given a choice about, in no way excuses anyone from behaving inappropriately with a child. Accepting that there isn’t anything inherent to pedophilia that makes anyone do anything they don’t want to do, or that impairs anyone’s ability to know right from wrong, also doesn’t excuse child sexual abuse.

Ender wiggin, Medium 4 Comments [3/23/2018 8:02:29 AM]
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Quote# 137437

i’m a Youth Worker, I’m a Paedophile
The idea of a paedophile working with children is, perhaps understandably, pretty controversial. This is the story of how I realised my attraction, learnt to live with it and why I’m going to keep working with kids.
I grew up in a coastal town in the UK with two very loving parents and my two younger siblings. I never had many friends and I was bullied a lot, but every week I went to a youth group. I always felt welcomed there. It gave me a safe environment in which to learn, grow and develop as a person, especially in my self confidence. My time there influenced me as a person more than anything else.

I’d already decided by age 10 that I wanted to give back and volunteer there as an adult. I took up a volunteer role when I turned 14 and it’s the best decision I ever made. Sure it’s a lot of work, sometimes it’s like a full time job and it’s only voluntary, but now I get to help children to grow and develop. I couldn’t ask for more than that.

Shortly after starting in my volunteer position I realised I was a paedophile.

My sexuality developed pretty normally at first. I started to notice other boys my age when I was 8. Around 11 years old I figured I was gay. Fortunately at the time public attitudes toward homosexuality were changing pretty quickly and my close family was pretty openly accepting of gay people, so I was able to accept myself relatively easily.

But a year later I started to notice something was up. I was still attracted to boys six?—?or sometimes more?—?years younger than me. Why? It didn’t make any sense to me. Fortunately I was still attracted to enough of my peers that I could ignore it. So that’s what I did for two more years.

It wasn’t until I was 14 that I really started to realise the nature of my sexuality. I’d been getting older, but the boys I was attracted to hadn’t got older with me. In fact by this point all the boys I was attracted to were younger than me. I couldn’t ignore it anymore, I had to start accepting that this was the way I am.

To this day my attractions haven’t changed, I’m still attracted to boys from 4–13. I had no choice in the matter, I was born this way, but I did choose never to act on it and never to harm a child.

I was always a pretty scientifically minded kid. When I realised I was gay I asked myself why I was that way, what it was that made me different. Asking those questions it was pretty obvious to me that my sexuality was an unchosen and unchangeable part of myself. If it can’t be changed and it isn’t hurting anyone then I should just accept it and make the best of my situation.

I went through a very similar thought process when I realised I was a paedophile, so accepting it was pretty easy for me once I stopped trying to deny it. As long as I never hurt anyone what was the problem?

But there was a problem. My only knowledge of paedophilia was based on what society had always told me. Society was constantly telling me that I was doomed to be a monster. I knew I wasn’t a monster; I didn’t want to hurt a child and I knew I never would.

I went online to see if I could talk to others like me. Unfortunately the only other paedophiles I could find were pro-contacts, people that believe children can consent. I knew they were wrong, I’d heard about the damage CSA caused, I didn’t want to be like them and I didn’t want to associate with them, but I was bullied, depressed, suicidal, had no friends and desperately wanted someone to talk to about my attraction. So I talked to them. For many years they tried to push their beliefs onto me, but fortunately I never believed it.

I’d be lying if I said I was never tempted by them though. The idea that it’s okay to act on your attractions and that it’s society that causes the harm can be quite appealing. Especially to a young, depressed, suicidal teenager. Fortunately I always knew that what they were saying was wrong; I couldn’t ignore what I knew to be true: CSA causes devastating lifelong harm.

There was always the fear that someone would find out. What if someone did? I’d be hated by everyone, not even my family would accept me. I’d seen plenty of news stories about what people do to paedophiles. Harass them, beat them, even burn them alive just on suspicion of being a paedophile. If someone found out my life could be in danger. I had to keep this hidden from everyone in my real life. I couldn’t risk losing everything if someone found out. Even now, no one in my real life knows.

One day, early this year, I came across an article about people who called themselves “virtuous paedophiles”. This was a group of people like me that were paedophiles but were against all sexual contact with children. I started doing some reading and after a couple of weeks decided to join VirPed. I’d finally found a community that understood my attractions and shared my views. It was quite a relief; if only I had found them when I was 14.

Turning this into something positive
I’ve accepted my attractions and I know I will never harm a child, but now I’m in a position to help others. I’ve now joined a number of online communities for non-offending and anti-contact Minor Attracted People (MAPs), to help people trying to come to terms with their attractions, to show them that they aren’t monsters.

The hate, death threats and suicide bait non-offending MAPs see every day is staggering and sickening. Young teenagers are seeing those messages, internalising the belief that they are monsters; sometimes the hate pushes them over the edge. They often either kill themselves or get indoctrinated by pro-contacts which can lead to them being abused themselves, abusing kids or viewing child pornography. I want to show them that there is another way, before they get indoctrinated by pro-contacts, or give in to the hate.

Hopefully I can educate a few people along the way too and help to reduce the stigma surrounding paedophilia. When you are constantly told that you are destined to hurt a child it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Contrary to popular belief, helping paedophiles accept themselves is helping keep children safe from abuse. The current stigma just forces paedophiles to hide and prevents them from seeking help if they need it, just increasing the risk they might offend. Demonizing paedophiles might make you feel good, but it’s not helping anyone.

Should I still work with kids?
Most people would say that a paedophile should never be around kids because we are just looking for opportunities to abuse them. That’s completely false. I’ve been working with kids since before I even realised I was a paedophile. I do it because I enjoy it.
I have no ulterior motives. I know that my main job is to protect the children in my care and keep them safe; that is what I do. The absolute last thing I want is for a child to be harmed.

Being a paedophile doesn’t mean I lack the normal, protective instincts people have towards children. This is a very common misconception, but if anything, my protective instincts towards children are stronger than most people’s. I find I care more about them and I’m more interested in their well-being.

I love kids, I love working with kids, I’m very good at what I do, I do it because I want what is best for them and I want them to become the best people they can be.

Dean, Medium 14 Comments [3/23/2018 8:02:25 AM]
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Quote# 137435

A psychiatric perspective on pedophilia
(it applies to all paraphilias, but since the discourse is mostly focused on MAPs I’m doing it about that)

There is a spreading misunderstanding about paraphilias and specificly about pedophilia. People keep mixing and cofusing concepts, calling mental illness to things that aren’t or the opposite, trying to turn healthy people in mentally ill in some kind of twisted idea of “therapy”. So I just want to make clear the three basic concepts and how therapists work over this.

Also, I have seen tons of antis (bringing this from Tumblr, but it’s the same outside there) saying MAPs they should seek therapy but at the same time they claim that if a MAP doesn’t hate themselves then they is gross and nasty. This shows how little antis know about actual psychiatry and how therapy works, so I would like to help everyone here to understand therapy and achive with that a better understanding of sexuality, mental illness and improving our work towads increasing the number of healthy, happy people and decreasing child abuse in all its ways. So here we go, the three basics concepts:

-POCD: This is NOT pedophilia. The person doesn’t feel attracted to minors, just have intrusive thoughts that are egodystonic and totally unwanted. They know they aren’t going to hurt children but they feel awful about their thoughts and have to do compulsive actions to feel better. This is just as any other OCD, it doesnt matter what are the thoughts about, csa, get an infection, kill your family… The important thing here is treat the OCD (what sadly is really hard), but nothing to do with pedophilia. These people aren’t MAPs and this isn’t their sexuality, this doesn’t have anything to do with pedophilia, but some people mistake it for “pedophilic disorder”, another concept I’ll explain later.

-Pedophilic sexuality (or pedophilic sexual orientation): This is just the sexual attraction towards children (<13 y/o in DSM V terms). It just implies a person who has this specific sexuality. They feel aroused for children, but that doesn’t mean they are going to act over these feelings irl. In this case we consider pedophilia just as any other sexuality. It isn’t a disorder and it doesn’t have treatment. We have a person who is aroused by children but doesn’t feel bad about it and never acts over it in real life. They DON’T have a disorder and they don’t need therapy. Pedophilia is not a mental illnes, but it isn’t a moral degeneration or abomination either. It is just a variation of human sexuality, normal and never a problem itself. In fact, quoting Dr. Fred S. Berlin (associate professor in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, at The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine):

[…] the American Psychiatric Association (APA) has stated its intention to remove the term Pedophilic Sexual Orientation from the diagnostic manual.2 Removing that term in response to public criticism would be a mistake. Experiencing ongoing sexual attractions to prepubescent children is, in essence, a form of sexual orientation, and acknowledging that reality can help to distinguish the mental makeup that is inherent to Pedophilia, from acts of child sexual abuse.
This is the source, really interesting and informative, I encourage you to read it. Also, the DSM V stated clearly the difference between a pedophilic sexuality and a pedophilic disorder.

-Pedophilic disorder: Here we have a person with a pedophilic sexuality (so, a MAP) BUT who also feels distressed about it (hates themselves, feels anxious, depressed, thinks they are awful and going to hurt children even if it isn’t true…) OR have self-control problems or some distortion that leads them to actual abuse. On DSM terms:

A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).
B. The individual has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.
C. The individual is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.
Note: do not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old.
In first case I mention you need to treat the distress. The goal of therapy isn’t change or lesser the attraction, as some people think. And for sure, it isn’t teaching pedophiles that they are terrible and awful and should hate themselves either. Pedophilia is just a sexuality and sexualities can’t be cured (trying that is conversion therapy and that doesnt work at all). So what you try in therapy is to teach these people that their attractions are ok, treat the anxiety and depression, help them to accept themselves and have a healthy sexuality without harm anyone (like, masturbation with fantasies, consensual sex with adults if they aren’t exclusive MAPs, rp, simulated cp is used in some countries and it has showed to decrease irl csa, so that is used too, etc).

Most of these MAPs are scared of themselves and even when they know they won’t never harm a child they can be afraid to lose control due to a depressive cognitive distortion (that does not indicate a real loss of control, but an obsessive thought over loss of control itself) so you have to work over that too. And about the second group, if they have self-control problems you work in therapy and maybe with some drugs over it. Also, if they have already abused an actual child then therapy focused too in self-control and sometimes lesser their libido, but that is forensic psychiatry field, not just psychiatry and doesn’t have anything to do with non offending maps, the ones I’m focusing here.

So basically, to summarize, people who are MAPs and feel bad about it should and deserve get help. But the help is only going to treat their distress, so the goal is turning a pedophilic disorder in a pedophilic sexuality, never change the attraction, that is always going to be there. We should remember that most child abusers aren’t even MAPs, they dont feel attracted to children (2/3 child abusers are “opportunistic” offenders, so pedophiles aren’t the actual cause of csa), and the ones who are MAPs have different brains that the NOMAPSs (offending MAPs show more lack of self control, empathy, understanding of consequences of their acts, cognitive distorions… While NOMAPs don’t show this, so they dont have the main risk factors for csa).

Tumblr MAP community is really a good thing that therapists should support and encourage. Universalization is a kind of therapy, in fact (this is the awareness that their sexuality is a state shared with other human beings and that it is compatible with mental health and not offending). MAP community doesnt’ say children can consent or that we should abolish AOC or something like that. No, they are just MAPs who are trying to accept themselves and living their lifes in a harmless way. They are working to treat their pedophilic disorder (not their pedophilic sexuality, that, again, can’t be treated) in a support group, what is really good and positive. We can’t forget that MAPs are a high suicide risk group, specially minors, and they deserve support and positivity. People can’t choose their feelings, but they can choose their actions. A MAP doesn’t choose feel attracted to children, but they can choose never harm a child and have a happy life, and that is what therapists and the ones who works in csa prevention try.

If we want to talk about the actual risk factors for csa this aren’t pedophilia. Risk factors for abuse, all kind of abuse, are lack of self-control, low empathy, cognitive distortions, sadism… Sexual attraction is not an actual risk factor because people have morals and another traits that help them to understand what is wrong irl even if they like it in fantasy. So if we want to take really effective actions to prevent csa and protect children we need to work over the actual risk factors and try to understand pedophilia as much as we can.

Hating and attacking MAPs and the MAP community is not going to help anyone, only cause harm. NOMAPs who don’t have these risks factors aren’t going to abuse a children under any circunstance, so we have to help them to understand that too and love themselves, so they can have a plenty, healthy life as we fight all together against the real problem of child abuse. Throwing innocent and mentally ill people under the bus while the actual abusers (again, mostly not pedophiles, just opportunistics) keep harming children without anyone paying attention is not going to help children.

Demonization and misunderstading aren’t going to help children. Understanding, universalization, actual knowledge, acceptation and the right therapies are the things that are going to help us to save children and that we should use as weapons on this, not the visceral, hateful speech without base that antis like to use.

Please, educate yourself in these important issues before get into them or you could be more harmful than helpful.

Aleska Kolja, Medium 2 Comments [3/23/2018 8:02:19 AM]
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[Note: This is from May 2017]

The chief rabbi of Israel on Saturday night appeared to suggest during his weekly sermon that secular woman behave like animals due to their immodest dress.

Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel Itzhak Yosef also lamented that the non-religious community is unaware of how much respect religious Jews supposedly have for women.

In other comments, he advised religious IDF soldiers who find themselves at army events where women are singing to remove their eyeglasses and conspicuously read from a book to demonstrate that they are not participating.

“If the secular knew how much we respect the woman; everything we do is for a woman’s dignity,” Yosef said according to a Sunday report by the Hebrew-language Kikar Hashabat website that serves the religious community. “A woman is not an animal, she has to keep her dignity. To be modest [in her dress] is her dignity.”

Religious demands for modest dress and behavior by women is a cause of friction in the religious-secular divide in Israel with the latter seeing such requirements as sexual discrimination.

In advice to soldiers, Yosef noted that due to his position he is sometimes required to attended official ceremonies that include singing performances by women. Recalling an event he was at that was also attended by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Reuven Rivlin, Yosef said that when the women started singing he made an obvious display reading from a book that he held up in front of his face to show that he wasn’t listening.

“That way they could all see that I am not listening, my head is in the book, close to what matters,” he explained and instructed religious soldiers to do the same under similar circumstances.

According to religious tradition, if is forbidden for men to hear a woman sing solo, or at all if it is outside of a religious service.

The exclusion of women from musical performances to satisfy religious sensibilities is a controversial subject in Israel, with religious groups often pushing to have women barred from performing in public.

Yosef’s father, Ovadia Yosef, also a chief rabbi, was also known for making controversial statements at his Saturday night sermons, including derogatory comments about Arabs, Muslims and Holocaust victims.

Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef , The Times of Israel 11 Comments [3/23/2018 8:01:43 AM]
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Submitted By: Yossarian Lives

Quote# 137430

According to two leading scientists, the human brain is, in fact, a ‘biological computer’ and the consciousness of people is a program run by the quantum computer located inside the brain that even continues to exist after we die.

As experts explain it; “after people die, their soul comes back to the universe, and it does not die.”

The debate about the existence of the soul and whether it is immortal or dies with the person is an endless story that for centuries has occupied the time of the great thinkers of universal history. Its mysterious nature continues to fascinate different areas of science, but now a group of researchers has discovered a new truth about it: the “soul” does not die; it returns to the universe.

Since 1996, Dr. Stuart Hameroff, an American Physicist and Emeritus in the Department of Anesthesiology and Psychology, and Sir Roger Penrose, a mathematical physicist at Oxford University, have worked in a Quantum Theory of Consciousness in which they state that the soul is maintained in microtubules of the brain cells.

Their interesting theory says that the human heart is being contained by the brain cells in structures inside them called microtubules.

The two researchers believe the human brain is, in fact, a biological computer and the consciousness of people is a program run by the quantum computer located inside the brain that even continues to exist after we die.

Furthermore, both scientists argue that what humans perceive as ‘consciousness’ is, in fact, the result of quantum gravity effects located within the so-called microtubules.

This process is named by the two scientists “Orchestrated Objective Reduction – (Orch-OR).”

The theory indicates that when people enter a phase known as ‘clinical death,’ the microtubules located in the brain lose their quantum state but maintain the information contained within them. In other words – as experts explain it after people die, their soul returns to the universe, and it does not die’.

Speaking to the Science Channel’s Through the Wormhole documentary, Dr. Hameroff said:

“Let’s say the heart stops beating, the blood stops flowing; the micro-tubules lose their quantum state. The quantum information within the microtubules is not destroyed, it can’t be killed, and it just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large. If the patient is resuscitated, revived, this quantum information can go back into the microtubules, and the patient says ‘I had a near-death experience.’ If they’re not revived, and the patient dies, it’s possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body, perhaps indefinitely, as a soul.”

According to this theory, the human souls are more than just ‘interactions’ of neurons in our brain and could have been present since the beginning of time.

Peace Quarters, Peace Quarters 5 Comments [3/23/2018 7:59:39 AM]
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Quote# 137429

This discussion has been going on since Einstein proposed the THEORY OF RELATIVITY [which has yet to be unproven]. It goes even further when people around him speculated that he was actually looking for the God Particle [The God Particle refer to the Higgs boson, a particle in physics] the subatomic particle that has brought a Nobel Prize to Francois Englert and Peter Higgs, is so small that its discovery took 40 years. May Physicists have become believers in an intelligent creation based on the fact that our concept of everything tangible and intangible has a beginning and an end but the notion that NOTHING CREATED SOMETHING is still troubling to scientists. If you want to spend the time, there are lots of resources to prove that eternity is a principal that is till baffeling great minds.

Lou Ploch, Peace Quarters 10 Comments [3/23/2018 7:59:16 AM]
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Quote# 137424

The left is a cult that can only survive by cutting off information.

I was reading an askreddit thread about people who have left a cult "What was your oh**** moment?" If you go read that thread over there you will see one thing in common in all the cults. You are not allowed to think differently and to stop you from thinking differently they shut off all information from the outside. The left does exactly this. They are trying to silence conservatives to keep information away from their followers in the cult. If you think any unapproved thoughts you will be shunned from the group.

The left is a cult.

Edit: I went to sleep and came back. This post blew up. I am glad people see what the left really is. Also I saw a comment about how it is ironic to post this in a sub that censors leftists. What a ridiculous contradiction. We are on a completely leftist platform that censors right leaning subs, has special rules for our sub only, and removes gun subreddits. We are literally in the belly of the beast and you cult members want to come in to every single thread and try to brainwash us with your cult crap. Sorry but we are turning away the door knockers. We are here to try and save the people you are brainwashing. We are trying to pull people out of your cult. No we don't need to hear your 5000th anti-Trump post for the day here. You have a thousands subs to discuss that on. We have one. You have even taken over conservative subs in the past. If you want to argue your point of view go to askthe_donald. We have a dedicated sub for discussion.

Fun fact: Democrats also are far more likely to have mental health issues.

Fun fact: People in cults also are far more likely to have mental health issues.


Thus, cults can be seen as an organized group or a solitary person whose purpose is to dominate cult members by using psychological manipulation and pressure strategies.

CuckedByTRUMP, r/The_Donald 22 Comments [3/22/2018 1:48:24 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 137423

Tim Matter:
You don't deserve more rights than everybody else. Either keep your evangelists out of school, or allow everybody elses in too.

Guest Verified:
Who is talking about more rights? You are. You want all rights taken away from Christians and all rights given to haters and persecutors. You want it wiped out. Christians can't bake cakes, can't work as florists, can't serve in government, can't live their faith in the work place or classroom. That's persecution. Why don't you ask Muslims to take off their burkas or hijabs, or to stop praying three times a day?

Guest Verified, Christian News Network 15 Comments [3/22/2018 1:48:17 PM]
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