[In response to a description of the well-documented effect of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_birth_order ">fraternal birth order on homosexuality</a>, where the more older brothers a male has, the more likely he'll be homosexuality]
Another person might see a quite diiferent reason for a statistical correlation than was seen by the original researchers. so here goes with an upsetting alternative analysis . . .
. . . the boy with more older siblings is more likely to be molested by one of them. The more older siblings, the less merry. I regret suggesting this alternate explanation but I am sure that this is the case.
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My relatives on my Dad's side exhibit that pattern, actually. My second oldest uncle (5th out of 7 kids, all the elder siblings male) is gay. Suggesting that some sort of hormonal effect on my grandmother caused this would make me nod thoughtfully, and say "sure, that sounds reasonable." On the other hand, suggesting one of my other uncles molested him would make me go "Wow, you're an asshole" and punch you in the throat.
Do you have any evidence of this older brother molestation trend?
Hey, this person is right! I was molested by all zero of my older siblings. Obviously, being molested by the inexistent made me not only gay, but also transsexual. Great job.
Granthodges would rather think that millions of boys around the world are being molested by their brothers than admit homosexuality is natural. Very well said, and a very good point.
It's funny how I don't remember being molested. Here's yet another net.clairvoyant who, despite never having met me, "knows" more about my life than I do. Oh, you've just blanked it out because it's too horrible to remember. Or can you prove you've not been molested? [fundie mode off]
Only that there is no correlation, either, between molestation and homosexuality. Moreover, nobody has found a single piece of evidence just to justify your bigotry.
The fraternal birth order effect seems to show that some male homosexuality has sociologal causes in addition to the well-documented genetic causes, however, you'll have to show me some scholarly, peer-reviewed articles showing a link to fraternal molestation before I will accept your assertion.
The correlation holds true even when the younger brother gets adopted. Besides, there's no correlation between being molested and being gay. In fact, Aaron McKinney, the Wyoming guy who's serving a life sentence for beating a gay guy and leaving him tied to a fence to freeze to death, even tried to use being molested as a defense, claiming it caused a lifelong hatred of gays.
Genetic course required. If there were a correlation molestation homosexuality, obviously the study wouldn´t have referred to biological brothers, they would refer to any large male-only community(all-boys board school, military, summer camp....). And they would be SOCIOLOGIST. And I´m tired of that shit. First it was the theory of fatherless kids being gay. That theory bite the dust, because the largest number of homosexuals should have been born after the Second World War or any war, for that matter. Now, molestation, same story, NO EVIDENCE. Why can´t they accept that maybe there is no way to change one´s feelings?
Other posters have drawn attention to the fact that the study analysed whether the effect carried over into adoptive situations, demonstrating pretty clearly that the effect is biological, not social.
Having worked with many victims of childhood sexual abuse, I really struggle with the idea that abuse changes orientation. It makes no sense at all. The one exception to this is with bisexual people, who as adults tend to prefer partners of the opposite sex to their abuser.
Ok, so these older molester brothers, they're not gay? Do I have it right, the little boys who are victomized become gay, however, the older brothers who choose to force the younger brother into gay sex are not gay?
Being molested by a male does not make you gay.
Your logic is terribly flawed all over, but this is the point that really gets to me.
Oh, you should know that you are, in a roundabout way, promoting contraception.
And we all know how fundies feel about THAT.
They are speaking about BIOLOGICAL BROTHERS, not brothers in general. And of course, who molested the first brother, if I may ask?
Molestation causes trauma and confusion, not homosexuality.
SaneChick wrote: Granthodges would rather think that millions of boys around the world are being molested by their brothers than admit homosexuality is natural.
QFT.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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