["post-abortive syndrome doesn't exist ... the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association do not recognize PAS as an actual diagnosis or condition, and it is not included in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders DSM-IV-TR or in the ICD-10 list of psychiatric conditions."]
It's not there for the same reason the Gosnell slaughterhouse went 17 years without an inspection. The acknowledgement of Post Abortive Stress Syndrome (PASS) by the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association would impact a mother's 'right' to kill her unborn son or daughter. Political concerns within these associations often result in the real impacts of human abortion being swept quietly under the rug. [...] Remember, these mothers have come to the realization that they have KILLED their once living children. Don't delude yourself into believing that it's 'just regret' and has no lasting mental health impacts. At least face the reality of what you advocate for.
Abortion kills one and wounds another.
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I think this supposed PAS is just another form of PTSD.
I don't know, but it seems like a known phenomenon not restricted to abortion.
The acknowledgement of Post Abortive Stress Syndrome (PASS) by the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association would impact a mother's 'right' to kill her unborn son or daughter. why exactly would it have an impact on that? It would simply mean we need psychologists to deal with women who abort. And if it's really another sort of PTSD as Goomy pls says, wouldn't that mean we have to outlaw wars too?
Remember, these mothers have come to the realization that they have KILLED their once living children.
I've only known a handful of women who have had abortions (that I'm aware of), but none of them ever seem traumatized by it. Of course one can't really know what a person truly feels inside, and at least one seemed to be feeling a little guilty about it, but most of them just claimed to feel relief after it was over.
The greatest sources of PTSD are soldiers in combat, firefighters and police officers. So, according to cultureshift's way of thinking, soldiers, firefighters and police officers should be able to refuse any duty that could result in PTSD. Yeah, that ain't gonna happen.
Oh, and cultureshift, have you adopted any children? Given money to support parentless children? Provided daycare to a woman who has to work or attend school while raising a child? Helped out a mother or fathers medical bills? Helped buy a child clothing, shoes, food and school supplies? Or is it all "women are baby factories, so they better get used to it!"
My mother had an abortion years before either me or my sister were born. She doesn't seem to have any traumas about it. Maybe if there weren't so many people telling them they're evil, dirty murderers, they wouldn't have issues about it.
If this PAS or PASS was a thing, I bet that it would be acknowledged in Ireland and Poland, where abortions are illegal, but everyone knows they happen anyway.
You're not a mother until you have given birth. It's called expecting a child for a reason, ya know.
... and if you're not immediately traumatized by it, manipulators are standing by to Velcro a scarlet letter to your chest. Act now, and we'll send you a second scarlet letter free! Just pay additional postage and handling.
It's not listed as a diagnosis because lying anti-choice zealots made it up. EVERY LEGITIMATE STUDY has shown that the vast majority of women who have abortions continue to feel that they made the right decision, even many years after the fact.
This has held true for all of the women I've known who have aborted; not a tortured soul among them. All went on to have families when they were better able to emotionally and financially provide for them.
No doubt any tiny minority of women you could dig up to try to prove your point have become traumatized by accusations of murder by you and your ilk, not by any independent "realization" on their part.
Nobody feels guilty over having an abortion unless the anti-abortion crowd gets to them. I personally knew a girl who had an abortion, and her Catholic parents made her go to some "retreat" for women who had abortions where they made them give their aborted baby a name and had a funeral service for them. Talk about laying on the guilt. Last I heard this girl was messed up on drugs.
Please, tell us more about this conspiracy.
Actually, I'm sure many women do have all kinds of emotional problems before and after an abortion, but it would be hard to determine what distress was due to guilt, and what was due to having the kind of screwed up life that results in an unwanted pregnancy. Could be the realization that your boyfriend is a heel, that you can't afford a child, confronting a genetic disease of birth defect, or a host of other serious issues.
The acknowledgement of Post Abortive Stress Syndrome (PASS) by the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association would impact a mother's 'right' to kill her unborn son or daughter.
The acknowledgement of PostPartum Psychosis by the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association would impact a mother's 'right' to birth her unborn son or daughter.
Oh, wait... it doesn't, does it?
As for what PAS is... http://www.postabortionsyndrome.org/ even they say it's PTSD, and as such can be treated just like every other bit of PTSD... bet you're against that, eh?
There's a lot of wiggle room in how they define disorders.
If a pattern of characteristics exists out there and can be categorized and the case can be made that it should be treated as separate from other disorders then something can potentially be considered a disorder.
You can't filter out personal opinions and feelings in this process. It's just not possible. You can try but in trying to do that your personal opinions and feelings will interact with that part of the process.
That being said even if this was a real condition and I don't doubt there are some women who suffer from anxiety and depression brought on by guilt following an abortion, it's her mental health to put at risk not the state's. There are many things people choose to do that some people will regret to the point of finding the experience traumatizing.
Right no one is denying that PAS exists or not, it does its just PTSD which has multiple causes. Birth itself could be the cause of PTSD as well, any potentially traumatic experience has that potential.
There simply is no reason to seperate it from PTSD.
Right. It's a conspiracy. WooOOoooo!
These nut jobs would do well to read women's personal accounts of getting an abortion. Or possibly even talk to a real living woman who had an abortion. And educate themselves on what happens to women who resorted to getting unsafe abortions. And learn what women go through when they have babies they don't want. Hell, women who have babies they do want get postpartum depression. They really think it's a picnic from women to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term?
These liars should also realize that all women who consider abortion get counseled so they understand all their options. And they also get support after the abortion. But the anti-choice scumbags simply want women to feel like murderous horrible people who should be guilt-ridden and full of anxiety forever.
Remember, these mothers have come to the realization that they have KILLED their once living children.
If they didn't have PASS before, I'm betting you'd make sure they got it by harassing them, and calling them murderers, and such afterwards.
"It's not there for the same reason the Gosnell slaughterhouse went 17 years without an inspection. "
It's not there because it doesn't exist, the same way eating pork causing homosexuality doesn't exist.
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