Todd Strandberg #fundie

Todd Strandberg #fundie raptureready.com

The Bible makes clear predictions, and there has never been a case when one of its prophecies has not come to pass. The Good Book has been so successful at foretelling the future, I believe people who scoff at it are making a "Sucker's Bet." They fail to realize that 87 percent of end-time prophecy is already in an advanced state of fulfillment.

The accurate prediction of the rebirth of Israel is Bible prophecy’s most stunning achievement. The Word of God also said that China would rise to be a world power; Europe would form a single government; the world would someday have a globally integrated financial market; and that there would be a diplomatic struggle (which we’re seeing today) over who should control Jerusalem.

There is no need for blind faith in what God has said in His Holy Word. I trust in the Bible because it has proven itself through prophecy.

113 comments

old comment by ScrappyB

I remember seeing a documentary on the death and supposed resurrection of Jesus on the History Channel a long time ago. This was before it degenerated into the Reality Show and Woowoo Channel.

It talked about early Christian beliefs from the time before the New Testament was written down and was still passed on as an oral tradition. They interviewed a bunch of historians, and the consensus about Jesus (provided he ever existed as a real person) returning in the lifetime of his followers probably meant he was alive when he was sealed in the cave and had arranged for some of his followers to break him out.

Sorry raptards, you're about 2,000 years too late.

old comment by Atheissimo

The Tyre prophecy. It was predicted that Tyre would be destroyed and remain forever desolate. It was never completely destroyed and remains a thriving city to this day.

Israel was re-created BECAUSE of Biblical prophecy. People actively set out to fulfill the prophecy, which isn't really the same thing.

The Bible says nothing at all about China, beyond some bizarre apologetic mental gymnastics that I'm sure you've come up with.

Europe hasn't formed a single government, not that that's even in the Bible. Not only is a large amount of Europe not in the EU, but the 'government' you refer to has very little say in anything the individual national governments do.

There was diplomatic struggle over Jerusalem when the Bible was written too. hardly a massive leap of imagination.

old comment by louislois

"The Bible makes clear predictions, and there has never been a case when one of its prophecies has not come to pass."

O rly?

Ever hear of Tyre, Lebanon? Your precious Buybull states:

"And they shall destroy the walls of Tyrus, and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her...and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water...And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD" (Ezekiel 26:4,12,14)

Thou shout built no more on it, huh?

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Oh, yeah! Sure looks like a crumbling ruin that no one has built on ever again, to me....

Dumbass.

old comment by Horsefeathers

"The Bible makes clear predictions, and there has never been a case when one of its prophecies has not come to pass."

Tyre. That's all I really need to say.

"The Good Book has been so successful at foretelling the future, I believe people who scoff at it are making a "Sucker's Bet." They fail to realize that 87 percent of end-time prophecy is already in an advanced state of fulfillment."

Really now, 87% you say? By my calculations it's precisely 0% and I trust my math more than I trust yours.

"The accurate prediction of the rebirth of Israel is Bible prophecy’s most stunning achievement."

Yeah, right. Since nobody involved in it was at all aware of the "prophecy" in any way at all.

"The Word of God also said that China would rise to be a world power"

Your Wholly Babble doesn't mention China. It doesn't mention anything outside the immediate area it was written in, Egypt, and vaguely the Roman Empire (which the writers probably weren't even aware of the extent of).

"Europe would form a single government"

It said no such thing, and Europe doesn't truly have a single government. All members of the EU still govern themselves.

"the world would someday have a globally integrated financial market"

Cite that one for me, please.

"and that there would be a diplomatic struggle (which we’re seeing today) over who should control Jerusalem."

Yeah, because that wasn't happening at the time or anything.

"There is no need for blind faith in what God has said in His Holy Word. I trust in the Bible because it has proven itself through prophecy."

No, it hasn't.

old comment by the_ignored

to louislois at #1458162

I've heard them try to dodge the Tyre prophecy example below, too long for a quote:

http://rr-bb.com/archive/index.php/t-119894.html

However, it seems that what is said in that first post there is shot down here.

http://etb-biblical-errancy.blogspot.ca/2012/04/ezekiels-prophecy-of-tyre-failed.html

Tyre, as obvious reasoning would suggest, and we may include some archeological exploration here, lays beneath the modern city on the island and, more generally, beneath centuries of ruble on the old, island portion due to a more or less continuous occupation. Wind-blown sand has also contributed to the burial of parts of the old city. That parts of the old, southern ("Egyptian") port may be observed by divers, and that some artifacts may have been cast into the sea, can hardly be interpreted to mean that Tyre, itself, has sunk into the depths of the waters! Tyre most certainly has not! The debris for Alexander's causeway came from the abandoned, mainland settlement--which was not Tyre. Wind-blown sand and later landfills widened the original causeway so that the whole resembles a peninsula today.

Oh well.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"The accurate prediction of the rebirth of Israel is Bible prophecy’s most stunning achievement. The Word of God also said that China would rise to be a world power"

Chapter and verse please, Toddy-boy. And no, vague 'allusions' & 'metaphor; no 'Gog/Magog' bollocks allowed. Only exact, verbatim direct mention of 'China would rise to be a world power', or be proven that your 'God' - as 'inspiring' his ghost writers - isn't 'omniscient' (certainly about future events/geopolitics etc) therefore he's not God, ergo, he doesn't exist. Q.E. and D., bitch.

"Europe would form a single government"

Turkey. A member of NATO. Who want to be a member of the EU. 'European'? Ever watched the Eurovision Song Contest, Toddy-boy? 'Eurovision', as in Europe? Israel takes part in it. Presumably, Egypt will be wanting to join in too; amirite?!:

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Oh no more, please Mr. Wilde, I am bereft of ribs!

"the world would someday have a globally integrated financial market"

Unless Dow Jones, FTSE, Nikkei, Hang Seng, NASDAQ et al agree to trade in, say, the $£ (DollarPound), as per the currency mentioned in the BBC Sci-Fi comedy series "Red Dwarf", S$ (Space Dollars) as per the anime series "Coyote Ragtime Show" (Pirate King Bruce's treasure that Mister & co, and Madame Marciano & her android 'SISTERs' are lookimg for) or Mega-City One Creds in "2000 AD"'s comic series "Judge Dredd", then that's about as likely as your precious (C)Rapture coming to pass.

"and that there would be a diplomatic struggle (which we’re seeing today) over who should control Jerusalem"

Way before the Arab Spring, and previous Israel-Syria/Lebanon/Egypt/etc conflicts, there's always been the little matter of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem. Major fights between Christian clergy have been sparked off by merely one of them sweeping a part of the floor that another member thinks he shouldn't, and encroached into; even accidentally. You're in no position about 'diplomacy', when you can't even agree about doctrine; no wonder there's thousands of Christian denominations, yet you dare to think about Israel being 'divided' (Disputed Territories; Gaza Strip & so on)?!

"I trust in the Bible because it has proven itself through prophecy"

Seems then, that the likes of Boutros-Boutros Ghali, and Ban Ki-Moon* have been throwing spanners in your 'prophecy' machinery. Nope. Not seeing any mention of the UN in the 'prophetic' Bible.

*- If the Bible is 'prophetic', then chapter and verse, re. UN Secretary General Moon referencing fellow countryman & K-Rapper PSY, and how his musical phenomenon is a cultural force for [i]good[/i].

'Heyyyyyyy Sexy Lady!'

Never mind the Beatles, "Oppa Gangnam Style" - with nearly 500 million views on YouTube - is bigger than God.

old comment by farpadokly

The Israel thing is a self-fulfilling prophecy. In other words, people read it and decided to fulfil it. Surely that's obvious. If it happened, and then the prophecy was only discovered afterwards, that would be more impressive.
But that's not how it happened. Instead, the idea of a rebirth of Israel was absolutely ingrained in Jewish and Christian thought because that bit of scripture was so well known.
The Bible says absolutely nothing about the other things, and it's scope is a lot less wide than you think. The people who wrote it were probably only concerned with things that were happening in their own time, because even then they thought that Armageddon was imminent.
And, even if it had made prophecies that came true (which it hasn't, except for the self-fulfilling variety) that wouldn't be sufficient reason to accept the rest of its claims.

old comment by Mister Spak

"They fail to realize that 87 percent of end-time prophecy is already in an advanced state of fulfillment. "

That claim was made about 130 years ago. Did someone hit gods pause button?

@his4lif4:
"My understanding is that the prophecy against Tyre specifically applies to Satan, and not to the literal, earthly city."

Your understanding is based on brainwashing applied by a con man trying to make you think a bible prophesy came true when it in fact it did not. The supposed infallibility of the bible must be supported at all costs, else how are con men going to convince people is was produced by a giant man who lives tn clouds. Thus arbitrary meanings are assigned to words to make them prophesies "true".

old comment by Anon-e-moose

Oh look who - with selective amnesia - has deigned to return with her Attention Whoring; who seems to have forgotten about what I warned would happen if she dared do so again, and not leave FSTDT permanently:

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Especially after abandoning these previous threads (and thus - via omission, as per the debate rules in a certain flowchart - admitting that we Atheists are always right in everything we say, and she & everything she says/does/thinks/'belives' is wrong in perpetuity. By her omission, she admits it):

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=89789&Page=3

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=89561&Page=2

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=89597&Page=2

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=89336&Page=3

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=89878&Page=3

Basically creating drama, and not contributing constructively to discussions. But when there's a thread based on a [i]direct[/i] quote by her, then does she dare appear there to justify her BS? [b]Does she, my left bollock![/b].

You, a 'Christian'? I've worked with Christians. I know Christians. My best friend is a Christian. Dearie, you're [i]no[/i] Christian. [/Lloyd Bentsen]

'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

-Mohandas K. 'Mahatma' Gandhi

You are an Attention Whore. Nothing more. And this message will appear whenever you dare infect this place with your inferior presence again, you proven troll.

old comment by Canuovea

His4Life,

If memory serves...

Antiochus the 4th or some other number. Was supposed to die in front of the gates of Jerusalem, but instead he ended up dying somewhere in Persia while raiding a Persian temple.

The book of Daniel looks convincingly like it was written at the time it was "discouvered" and used as a prophesy from that point. It was a common practice back then, apparently.

For instance, it pretends to have predicted the fall of Jerusalem and the Hebrew nation to the Babylonians... but it actually got the date wrong. It claimed the city was captured by the Babylonians during the reign of one Hebrew king, but instead it was captured during the reign of that king's son. And, to be clear, that information is given in another book of the Old Testament as record. There was an earlier attack, but I think it was beaten back.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

Dr.Shrinker (emphasis added)

"I for one don't believe anything you claim anymore. I have no more reason to believe you are black than to believe, oh I don't know, that Jesus makes guest appearances at t your church

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Ali G. Borat. Brüno. A black man, Anti-Semite, and Gay man, respectively.

With his One Schtick Pony, isn't Sacha Baron Cohen afraid of (and not just everyone knowing who he is, and what he does, thus losing the basis of his material) becoming another Peter Sellers? And - psychologically - he ultimately didn't know who he was.

Law Of Diminishing Returns. Same goes for personal credibility. Keep grating* on people, you lose it. Just as 'she' did ages ago.

*- Dom Joly. Because he simply wasn't getting the reactions from the British public he was wanting - with his people in fursuits fighting, and shouting into a huge mobile phone etc - in his 'Candid Camera'-esque Tv series "Trigger Happy TV", he had to take it Stateside. Humour? About as funny as (P)Ricky Gervais, and his example of Emperor's New Clothes Syndrome that was "The Office". Toe-curling doth not equate with funny. The only way Gervais would make me laugh, is if he played Russian Roulette - with a .50 cal. Desert Eagle.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"I trust in the Bible because it has proven itself through prophecy"

Jesus' return in the lifetime of his disciples. Tyre.

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=89336&Page=6*

@Troll/[b]Attention Whore/Nuts4Life

"You're asking me to change my beliefs"

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=75182&Page=4#1399249

Yes. As per the quoted 'following Jesus word' in the above linked thread, your own 'Word of God' - via 1 Thessalonians 5:21 - orders you to.

Jonathan Edwards did. Was he 'asked' to by anyone else...?

*- Oh, and Canuovea, we presented 'her'** with all the evidence that proves that there was never any so-called 'Global Flood' (ancient Egypt, China; existed before, after - and during), thus no 'Ark', therefore no Noah, ergo the Bible is lies, and God doesn't exist. QED. Thus we were freed from any debate responsibility (therefore it was impossible for we in FSTDT to 'abandon' the debate). It's not our fault if this educationally inferior fundie was so 'faith'-blinded by BS fiction - the Bible - if 'she' couldn't realise that, after 'she' & 'her' Bible being proven wrong in every conceivable way.

As per that debate flowchart, 'she' abandoned the argument, thus peroving we Atheists are right, and 'she' & 'her' so-called 'beliefs' are wrong in every conceivable way. After all, it didn't do long-time Christian Jonathan Edwards any harm when he admitted his beliefs were wrong; no faith-destroying debate with an Atheist required, neither (merely via his own critical thinking faculties). As it says on the rules on that flowchart:

'You are deemed to have conceded all opposing arguments up to this point'

So who abandoned the argument? We in that thread - and many other like it previously - were still prepared to argue the toss, based on the faith-annihilating, impossible to counter Reality-based proof (via evidence) we'd presented. Is it our fault 'she' refused to see Reality, even if it would've left 'her' no alternative but to admit we Atheists are right, and 'she' & 'her' 'beliefs' are wrong, thus 'her' having to recant 'her' so-called 'beliefs', and become an Atheist 'herself'? Had we Atheists - as per 'God and Pharaoh' - hardened her brain, resulting in zero neural activity (as does Absolute Zero, re. molecular activity)...?

**- As per Dr.Shrinker, re. her supposed 'race' (which 'she' has always relied upon as an excuse, just as an argument-avoiding measure), for all we know, 'she' could be a spotty 12-year old basement-dwelling (thus the trolling behaviour & attitude) white boy, for all we know.

old comment by Canuovea

Anon-e-moose,

If even the Catholic Church admits that the story of Noah's flood is pretty much certainly allegory/myth and not reality (or if so, not involving a worldwide flood), and still manage to consider themselves Christian, then I don't see how doing that here is going to crush His4Life's belief system.

There are other more serious contradictions in the bible though. I consider asking this question when discussing the bible. "Does God punish the children for the sins of the father? Give biblical support."

Abandoning the argument doesn't make one necessarily wrong, just either too tired to continue or not with enough knowledge to continue. Since religion is based on faith, not evidence, one could say "well, I don't have the knowledge to refute your points, but that doesn't mean that knowledge doesn't exist."

And to be fair, debates often lack substance.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

@Filin De Blanc

"His4Life has gone back to threatening rape. Charming."

Not for the first time, neither:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=88726&Page=9

@Jordab the Folf

"Aaannnd you resort to rape. Again.
"I will try to answer you every point in a logical, rational manner."
You're a fucking disgrace upon humanity. You're not even amusing to make fun of anymore. It's just depressing that you even exist."

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=88726&Page=4#1431207

"I am not taking glee in anyone's fate"

Yet, on the other hand:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=88726&Page=5#1431845

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=89336&Page=5#1446086

"Anonemoose, I don't want to get into a tit-for-tat with you"

"I'm advoiding ad hominems - can you guys please try to be mature enough to do the same?"

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=75940&Page=3

"Steven Hawkings is a spinach man."

"I am not taking glee in anyone's fate"

"LOL. I can't wait to see you guys flop headfirst into hell. When you start screeching and trying to get out, I'm gonna be laughing my butt off in heaven."

"When you're burning alive in hell and being sodomized by demons, do you really think you'll care what color my skin is and whether I'm male or female?"

I love it when someone (who is a pathological liar, as proven above) resorts/is reduced to threats. Particularly empty threats. Especially when in a discussion/debate/logical argument, and they have nothing to counter any & all facts put before them/abandon such (because they know they can never win, due to they having nothing to present to the contrary). Thus is demonstrated the depth of their FAIL, specifically how they behave when someone won't come to their way of thinking, thus their need to threaten someone with their 'Believe what I say, or DIE!/Turn or Burn' attitude (as per their nonexistent sky pixie's own hyper-tyrannical method of being 'Loving'. 'Loving'? More like a spoiled, petulant child who pours boiling water into his ant farm, just because they're not behaving as he thinks they should; or purely for the demonic glee of seeing creatures in his charge die. Nope, not seeing Lucifer doing anything wrong in your so-called 'Word of God', thus the 'Mystery' of the Bible explained: he's the good guy in all of this, and, as proven in Isiah 45:7 & Amos 3:6, your 'Loving' God is the Evil One).

It means that I have already won.

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=67911&Page=4

"I am not tying to be mean and i am sorry if may attitude has turned anyone itnoff"

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=67654&Page=9

"LOL. I can't wait to see you guys flop headfirst into hell. When you start screeching and trying to get out, I'm gonna be laughing my butt off in heaven."

You, a 'Christian'? I've worked with Christians. I know Christians. My best friend is a Christian. Dearie, you're [i]no[/i] Christian. [/Lloyd Bentsen]

'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

-Mohandas K. 'Mahatma' Gandhi

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=45089&Page=1

@Jman

"Why try to convince anyone to believe what you believe?"

Question: If - like the above fundie - you have no 'agenda' yourself, 'dearie', why are you here?

Ah, such is the Attention Whore. No matter their race, gender, or age; by their own actions/thinking, do they exhibit their inferiority and immaturity, when faced against their intellectual superiors:

"Anonemoose, you can call me whatever you want. I do not care if you think I'm white, black, or blue. When you're burning alive in hell and being sodomized by demons, do you really think you'll care what color my skin is and whether I'm male or female?"

"I do not care"

...but you do, to continue to Attention Whore yourself here, though. Nope. No Contradicting Yourself there, nosiree!

(*Pats Troll/Attention Whore/Nuts4Life on head*)

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Yes, that's nice. Now you go back to your Fuzzy Felt© 'My Little Hell: Look! I Can Be A Revenge Fantasist Too!'® Playset, and your plastic bridge & plushie goats dear, the adults are talking.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

@Troll/Attention Whore/Liar4Life

"I never said anything about "rape." That's your word, not mine."

Never...?:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=87232&Page=5#1402214

"As far as the question about sodomy goes, I don't want to dwell on it"

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=88726&Page=7#1436424

"(____________(________________) <--- Anon-E-Moose's fate in the afterlife."

"I'm not "gleeful" about anyone being sentenced to hell. But I'm not going to sugar coat reality either. How do you think Ben Franklin feels now that his lard ass has been burning for more than 200 years?"

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=88726&Page=5#1431225

"I'm not "gleeful" about anyone being sentenced to hell."

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=67911&Page=4

"I am not tying to be mean and i am sorry if may attitude has turned anyone itnoff"

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=67654&Page=9

"LOL. I can't wait to see you guys flop headfirst into hell. When you start screeching and trying to get out, I'm gonna be laughing my butt off in heaven."

At least The Doctor retains his past memories/experiences whenever he regenerates. 'Selective' amnesia, and - Anon, as I pointed out previously, and as this now conclusively proves what I said then - Mental handicap: Schizophrenia (as well as hallucinations; 'seeing Jesus in church') and Multiple Personality Disorder.

'In technical terminology... (s)he's a loon'

Filin De Blanc?:

'I never said anything about "rape." That's your word, not mine.'

"Have fun with that defence in court.

His4life doesn't believe forcible sodomy is rape, but remember, it's gay people who are the depraved perverts!"

The prosecution rests.

old comment by His4Life

Filin, of course I am challenged by the biblical doctrine of hell. It stretches my belief in God to accept that hundreds of people I know and love will suffer for eternity because they did not obey the gospel. But this is the reality we're confronted with in the Bible. We can choose to accept it and respond to God's offer of grace through Jesus Christ, or we can reject it and live with the consequences of that choice. What we cannot do is hide from it, unfortunately.

I was a little crass above, but my point is, from the viewpoint of eternity, does it really matter if I'm black, white, or green? At the end of the day, you still have to deal with the reality of a God who will judge you for your sins, but who has also extended an offer of grace in Christ. How you respond is up to you, and whether or not you like me has nothing to do with it. If you're so concerned about this issue (which is a minor point in the bible and fairly trivial), then maybe you need to make some decisions about eternity.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

@Troll/[i]Liar/Loony4Life

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=83496&Page=3#1328481

"Yes, I have damaged my credibility here and I deserve your rebuke. However, my comment, while an exaggeration, was biblically based, as the Book of Daniel does teach that the unsaved will be sodomized on the day of judgmenet"

In doing some detective work, re. the so-called 'Book of Daniel', I came across (no pun intended!) this. You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes or Prof. Stephen Hawking to figure out who that linked post is by, even before one clicks the link. And click on the 'He's well off base, as you...' sub-link on that page. Classic. 'Context'? In that reply by the CARM Forums member 'Trumpeter', Loony4Life & her so-called 'pastor' gets torn a new one, argumentally. By one of her own kind, no less. Now we know why Troll/Liar/Loony4Life - a.k.a. 'Marissa' - has to keep Attention Whoring herself here. Like a certain Canadian fundie spam monster (who - like a certain Dark Wizard - Shall Not Be Named) our resident LOLcow has most probably been banned - and most likely on a regular basis too - from other boards/forums for spewing her fundie trolling bullshit.

But I digress...:

http://fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=88997&Page=4#1436529

@His4Life

"I never rejoiced about anyone being raped in hell."

...but you do:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=77605&Page=5#1229819

@His4Life

"AnoneMoose, I'm seriously starting to hope the devil pops a hard one off in your sorry ass before you get tossed into the flames.

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=67654&Page=9

"LOL. I can't wait to see you guys flop headfirst into hell. When you start screeching and trying to get out, I'm gonna be laughing my butt off in heaven."

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=67654&Page=7

@Dr.Shrinker

"And, as for your infantile threats of hell, I would caution you to beware of the boogeyman. If you don't sleep with a nightlight, the boogeyman will come and steal your breath while you sleep. True, I cannot prove the existence of the boogeyman, but you cannot disprove him, so that makes him real. See, I can play your silly game too."

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=90078&Page=3#1459974

"and being sodomized by demons"

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=88726&Page=9#1439809

@His4Life

"I never used the word "rape" though or implied anything sexual. I resent that."

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=87232&Page=5#1402214

@His4Life

"As far as the question about sodomy goes, I don't want to dwell on it"

...but:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=74017&Page=3#1171580

#1171580
@His4Life

"I can't believe the blasphemy of the title of htis post. Unbelieveable and disgusting. Enjoy having a demon's finger up your butt for eternity, bitch"

@Distind (FSTDT's admin)

"@His4Life

Actually it's accurate, God and Joseph, both fathers to him."

@GigaGuess

"@His4Life

Enjoy having a demon's finger up your butt for eternity, bitch
We love you too, sweetheart! ^_^

What is it with trolls and their complete and utter anal fixation...?"

#1171749
@His4Life

"That wasn't from me. Someone is hijacking my name. But it isn't too far from the truth, and you are a bitch."

@Distind (like I say, FSTDT's admin)

"As a note,
http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=74017&Page=3#1171580
and
http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=74017&Page=3#1171749
Come from the same computer."

Not taking into account your lie about 'I never said anything about "rape."' or 'implied anything sexual', your lie about 'That wasn't from me. Someone is hijacking my name' reminds me of this time you claimed the same:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=88726&Page=8

@His4Life

"_THIS IS JESUS_||__
|.;.Saint Paul||__ __||
.holiness'||
.'.||.'. OR (__________(___________)THIS IS YOUR BUTT
.'.||.'. the book of Mark
.'.||.angels.'.

Which will it be? The Bible only gives us two choices."

('Choices'?! From your 'Loving' God?! Yeah. Right):

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(We know who he chooses - his own kind: murderers, rapists, [i]liars[/i] like you, and paedophiles as proven above; yet, for the infinitely worse crime than murder: 'Disbelief', he tortures them for eternity. Yep. That's proof of a 'Loving' God, alright. [/hyper-sarcasm])

@His4Life

"Sorry, the butt post was not from me. One of my kids posted it last night."

@Jordab the Folf

"Aaannnd you resort to rape. Again."
'I will try to answer you every point in a logical, rational manner.'"

Not 'mentioning rape', even though that's what you want to happen to us (despite it not said in plain language in the Bible; one can 'interpret anything one likes from such, though!). A case of 'Six of one, half-a-dozen of the other'. 'I will try to answer you every point in a logical, rational manner'? Yeah, right. [/snark]

In conclusion:

1- You are a self-admitted liar. Liars go to [i]Hell[/i], you know.. On occasions uncountable - via you not answering our questions to our satisfaction, even though we have presented all the evidence which proves you & your 'beliefs' & the basis of such wrong, resulting in you having no choice but admit we Atheists are right in everything we say, and everything you say/do/think/'believe is wrong in every conceivable way, thus you having no alternative but to recant your insane & unjustifiable 'faith' and become an Atheist.

2- You are a Troll. Your own behaviour, despite your claim to 'answer every point', and demand that we don't resort to ad-hominems, you do exactly the same. And worse, besides.

3- You are an intellectual masochist. With your record of antagonism with your Bible-based inanities (and insanities), pushing the 'Truths' of that book of fairytales, claiming they are fact, despite the 'faith'-destroying Reality-based evidence to the contrary, proving that the Bible - and thus your so-called 'beliefs' are nothing but lies, without fail, you abandon these debates. Because, again, if you acknowledged that your Bible's so-called (fantasy-based) 'Truths' were nothing but lies, you'd have no choice but to recant your insane 'faith', and become an Atheist. Just as Jonathan Edwards did; no 'beliefs'-annihilating debate with an Atheist required, neither. But no. You just come back in another thread as if you've 'conveniently' forgotten about the logical destruction of your 'Truth' (which is proven to be Lies, and nothing happened. Almost as if you love being beaten in discussions, being kerbstomped intellectually. You are an intellectual masochist.

4- You have a strange form of amnesia: Selective. As if 'If I leave a discussion, and show up in another, to be antagonistic again, people will somehow forget about what I'd done previously!'. Reality doesn't work that way, I'm afraid. We Atheists have extremely long memories. As does FSTDT's server. As most other forum/board's admins do, no doubt Distind religiously [/irony] backs up FSTDT's thread archives. And it's 'Search' facility works perfectly. Only too well, when it comes to exposing your lies, bigotries, and hypocrisies.

5- You are Mentally Handicapped. Yes, Anon, I'm right when I say that our resident LOLcow is: Schizophrenia, as proved via your claim to have 'seen' Jesus in your church. And Joan of Arc just claimed to have heard voices. And worst of all: Multiple Personality Disorder. Linked with your 'Selective Amnesia'; One time, saying that you'll 'answer every point', being supposedly 'sane' and logical in a discussion, then when the debate heat get a a bit too much for you, you switch to your 'Revenge Fantasist', with your insipid - and immature 'My Dad (God) will hurt you' threats**, and/or your own God Complex; as if your nonexistent sky pixie had delegated his 'mercy' aspects to you personally, and you're his personal judge, jury & executioner. Or, a simple case of which deity ceased to exist, and made you Lord God Almighty?!. Then at another turn, you're all 'apologetic' (especially re. Prof. Stephen Hawking (despite you calling him 'Spinach Man'. Also, what you said about reggae artiste Yellowman); and now 'I was a little crass above', then later acting your as per usual self. Or even your sweetness & light 'God loves you!' side:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=88464&Page=3#1426285

@His4Life

"<3 Love you all and so does God"

BULLSHIT.

Then there's your most obvious mental handicap, as per mental insecurity: your need to constantly Attention Whore yourself here. Question: Why?

Painted yourself into an argumental corner, much?

You know there's only one possible way you can prove us wrong. And you know what that is.

Conclusive proof that you can't spell Fundamentalist without the word 'Mental'. That's you. MENTAL.

If you want to prove me wrong, re. you being Mentally Handicapped (and the above evidence - based on your long track record of behaviour here in FSTDT - which proves you are), then you will post just one last comment, along the lines of 'This is my last post here, and I will never return'. Your call. Otherwise, should you dare infect this place with your Attention Whoring presence again, you'll have only proven me right. The only other solution is to have you permanently IP banned by our admin Distind. Remember him? It was he who - via performing an IP trace on you, as demonstrated above - proved what a liar* you are.

*- Revelation 21:8 (NIV): 'But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liarsthey will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.' That means you, 'Saved' or not. See you there, Liar. Because it 'does' exist, as you keep 'claiming', after all.

**-...but then, of course threats by fundies who think they have the right to force - via psychological blackmail methods such as 'Turn or Burn' - their unjustifiable 'beliefs' on others (as a method of controlling people) are the last resort of the desperate, delusional...:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/29/texas.polygamist.jeffs/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=82980&Page=1

'I, the Lord God of heaven, ask the courts to cease the prosecution of my holy ways. There will be a judgment against all those who prosecute the church. ... I shall let all people know of your unjust ways. I will bring sickness and death. Let this cease.' -Warren Jeffs

...and deranged.

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Thanks Anon-E-Moose. I think I know who Marissa is. Glad she's a Christian now and asking questions. This is not an important point of doctrine and I'm not bothered if she accepts a different view or chooses to worship in a different church if she doesn't agree with our pastor on certain things. Many Christians believe differently about what awaits in hell and that is fine, in my opinion - as long as you know you're not going there. :-)

As far as the sodomy issue goes, I do believe that the Bible teaches it (in spite of the comments on that CARM thread) and I see strong evidence for in Scripture and in history. But obviously I play that card a bit more than I should here just to get your goat, just as *you* constantly post the same images and almost ver batim the exact some comments on every thread to get my goat. It's kind of ironic that you would think my behavior is unacceptable, but expect everyone to wade through post after post of cartoons, random meanderings into side-issues, political musings, quotes, etc. that openly violate the forum's post length rules through your trick for sneaking around it.

If you want to debate this particular topic I'm happy to do so and show you my biblical and historical evidence. It's not just Daniel that talks about this.

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If you want to debate this particular topic I'm happy to do so and show you my biblical and historical evidence. It's not just Daniel that talks about this.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

@Jordab the Folf

Well, there's conclusive proof that she's a loony (Multiple Personality Disorder), an Attention Whore (her need to infect this place), and a liar. Certainly about her so-called 'interpretation' of Daniel. Nope, not seeing the actual words 'punishment by sodomy' in actual Plain English (even via the NIV's 'translation') and even verbatim, thus she - and her so-called 'God' is a liar (therefore he's a contradiction to himself, ergo he doesn'texist. QED). And as anything said by a loony attention whoring liar is Invalid by definition, then she admits herself that there is no 'Afterlife', and thus no 'Heaven' or 'Hell', therefore she - like everyone else - will end up doing an impression of leftover pizza: Cold, clotted, and stuck to the bottom of a box.

Everything else she claims about what supposedly 'happens' after death is her own denial, a security blankie, in the form of the delusion known as 'religious faith', to psychologically shield herself from the cold hard fact that when you're dead, you're dead (no proof that the 'Soul' exists; nor that an 'Afterlife' exists, neither. Remember: that which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. Same goes for any of your so-called 'Bible's claims, 'interpreted' any way, or no. No evidencee, no acceptee). And that's the only Truth. THE Truth that utterly terrifies fundies such as her, thus their need to cling to said psycghological 'security blankie'.

We are not afraid, however. Why should we be afraid of Nothing, that Final Truth? It's a fact of life (and Death). Nothing. and that's what truly terrifies them.

We Atheists - unlike fundies with their psychological terrorism tactics via their insipid 'threats' of 'Turn or Burn' - have nothing to threaten them with. Nothing. As in the cessation of neural activity via hypoxia, when we cark it. And how can a fact of life be a mere 'threat?

'Facts are stupid things'

-Ronnie Raygun

He had religious 'faith'. And - like a certain person in this thread who shall remain clueless - he went loony.

Troll/Liar/Loony4Life

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=59231&Page=3#1342803

@Waiting4Godot (quoted Raptard):

'It's NOT because of any "clinical depression" or whatever (which is what some people might think). And that is exactly WHY I can't tell anyone but YOU GUYS about this!!! The rest of the world just doesn't get it.'

"Oh, au contraire. The rest of the normal, decent, sane world does. Even a century or so ago, thus (emphasis added):

'A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.'

-Friedrich Nietzsche

And boy, do you loony-tunes fundies just keep proving it.

There are people out there with far worse mental afflictions, who have a greater grasp of reality than you lot at Ruptured Retards ever will. Religious delusion. The ultimate mental handicap."

To reiterate:

'A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.'

-Friedrich Nietzsche

"I don't want to sound harsh, but this idea regarding sodomy in Daniel 12 is so far off the mark as to be blasphemous. There isn't even a hint of any such interpretation. This scripture explains the events regarding the end times. There are three different views on eschatology and as you grow in your faith you'll find yourself leaning from one view to another.

I don't know your pastor and I do not want to unjustly criticize so let me just offer that there are people in the Christian community who have simply lost their minds as it relates to homosexuality."

-Katie Scarlett (from linked CARM thread)

"Yes, I have damaged my credibility here and I deserve your rebuke"

-Troll/Liar/Loony4Life

It's the only sane thing she's ever said. Oh, and I forgot one more aspect of her Mental Handicap: Monomania. It can be the only possible thing to explain her hyper-obsession, re. anal sex, and why she mentions it more than gay men do; to say nothing of her 'God', and - as she claims' - his 'need' to 'punish' via this method, yet saying it's an 'abomination'. Nope, no hypocrisy on his part, nosiree! [/hyper-sarcasm]

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'You're obsessed, you are!'

-Al Murray (Pub Landlord)

Loonies have no right to be listened to. Anything she says - least of all threatens us with - therefore have no meaning or relevance whatsoever. Certainly carry no weight with everyone on Planet Reality.

Anything you 'claim' will happen, therefore won't. Those officially registered as mentally handicapped here in the UK; certainly those sectioned under the Mental Health Act, as per this example of a local fundie who went loony:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=88797&Page=2#1432211

Aren't allowed to vote, as they are legally deemed to be not of sound mind.

That loony fundie former coach firm owner's words - even any 'threats' by him, as per Warren Jeffs' above - no longer have any meaning or relevance.

Want to keep proving me right, re. you being a loony, just keep it up. Want to prove me wrong, however, leave FSTDT, via obeying Matthew 10:14. Besides, even taking into account how Occam's Razor slit's Pascal's Wager up a treat...:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=46796&Page=3#1456555 [/hyper-smartarse]

I win any & all arguments against Troll/Liar/Loony4Life in perpetuity. After all, to question another believer's 'faith'/'beliefs' is to condemn themselves in the eyes of their 'Saviour'.

Pascal, I can still be my Atheist self, and still win. Heads I win, Tails you lose fundies. >:D

That's you fucked, 'dearie', re. your 'Revenge Fantasies' The troll is herself finally trolled. >:D

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And as Jesus danced the dance of great joy, behold, even the clouds of dust obeyed him, and danced and swirled in the lane behind. But to the Unbelieving One he said: "Depart from me, for you have no part in this great joy, which I show forth to the world." And the Unbelieving One went away in sadness, hiding his face behind a linen rag, and lo, Azazel took him and led him away into the wilderness. But as for Jesus and the Twelve, they daced with great joy, for even the unclean swine obeyed them. And lo, how they rejoiced and were uplifted, for the Lord had sent the Unbelieving One away from them, into the desert to be a prey for Azazel. But as for the twelve, their joy was magnified, and as they danced, they began to ascend, by twelve and twenty steps, into the third heaven, but at the third gate, the Twelve were turned back, for they were yet mortal and possessed of the lower body, and unable to ascend, but as for Jesus, he continued on past the third gate, until he had reached the cherubim and beheld the Merkahbah, though far off. Then returning, he dipped his hand in the pool before it, and gave of the water to those who still waited, that is the Twelve, for they were possessed still of the material body and unable to ascend.

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And lo, they looked and beheld, for the unbelieving ones were in great torments, being cast far from the Throne of God. They were made the sport and plaything of devils, and some, tied to iron pillars, were burned alive, and yet others, cruelly misused, and still others, sunk to the waist in the burning pitch. And they all cried out with one voice, for they beheld the great joy with which Jesus and the Twelve danced and wished to partake in it, but Jesus said unto them: "In this joy you can have no part, for you have blasphemed me, and as you have blasphemed me, you have blasphemed God, and as you have blasphemed God, you have blasphemed Divine Sophia, that Barbelon who is the first thought and form, and from which all things proceed."

Hearing this, they cried out for death, for they knew they had no part in the Lord's great joy, but the Lord trod upon them, and led the Twelve from thence, to the first gate, which is the terrestrial, and blessing them, he sent them out to the nations, to show forth their great joy in song and dance, and to deliver the words of Sophia, that is the first thought of God, to the nations and to awaken them to their primordial abode in the pleroma. This is the testament, and the joy which was showed forth, which must be not transgressed.

old comment by His4Life

And behold, the messengers of KISHEM, which is YHWH, the Divine One among the Elohim, went forth clad as fools, conquering and to conquer by deceptive words, that wisdom might be concealed, and that mockeries might increase, until all their sins should blind them from truth and thus they be condemned. For behold, it was the LORD who had blinded them and turned their eyes away, that they might not know and be saved. And the messengers of KISHEM did thus, in secret speaking the wisdom, but in the sunlight speaking great follies and lying oracles, that the wisdom might be concealed from the unbelieving and kept hidden from the ages, but glimpsed, as a thing well hidden, among the follies that they went forth to proclaim.

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@Filin De Blanc

'I've decided to write my own gnostic scriptures, since this seems to be the fad among liberals nowadays. Anything you want in there? Want me to make Jesus gay or make God into a woman? lol'

Not taking into account her proven long-time track record of deliberate antagonistic trolling, just the 'lol' alone is extremely telling - and not just of her insanity (I refer you to the former coach firm owner in my locale, who was sectioned under the Mental Health Act, in a previous linked thread). Nor what she's reduced to on this page, which proves she's lost it, a la the aforementioned ex-coach company owner who is still transporting Russian Jews to Israel - but only in his fundamentalist diseased imagination.

As per what she 'claims' to be doing, before I get to your stating she's been 'beaten to the punch, re. gay Jesus, she's already been beaten to the punch in terms of rewriting the Bible; The Jefferson Bible. Also, Conservapoodia's Andy Schaftafly's (in)famous Conservapoodia Bible Project*

One is kept as a priceless historical & cultural treasure at the Smithsonian Institute (but is freely accessable via their website; also printed editions are public domain), and is lauded the world over. The other is a testament to one man's insanity, and is pointed and laughed at the worlkd over.

Can you guess which is which, kiddies...?!

"In the actual Bible Jesus hangs around with twelve men all the time and washes their feet. I think you may have been beaten to the punch on the gay Jesus thing."

As I've stated - as provable fact to her - before: Jesus hung around with twelve men, two of whom were sailors. One of said twelve kissed him. He hardly - if ever - associated with women, and never married (he was referred to as 'Rabbi'; these days, it would be an outrage, if a Rabbi wasn't married!). He wore a dress. And that's before I mention his dad, who is a Gary Glitter/Jimmy Savile-esque kiddy-diddling (Mary) paedophile nonce.

In conclusion: Our resident LOLcow has lost it. Thus, as I said above, just like that ex-coach company owner, anything she says now & in perpetuity - even her insipid 'Turn or Burn' threats - have no validity whatsoever, and even less right to be acknowledged. Therefore, anything she 'threatens' us with, and 'claims' will happen, won't. She admits it herself.

Moral: Proof that you can't spell 'Fundamentalist' without the word 'Mental'. And Troll/Liar/Loony4Life is that: MENTAL. As are all her kind, as is the basis of her mental handicap; 'Religious Faith':

'A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.'

-Friedrich Nietzsche

The only possible way we Atheists (and those here in FSTDT who were fundies like you, previously, but, like Jonathan Edwards, saw the real light - of Reality - thus reversing the psychological/cultic lobotomy that 'faith' & 'belief' forces upon them) will contemplate the notion of even thinking like you - is if we had a physical Lobotomy.

*- Click on the 'Talk' tab on that linked page. Even some of Schaftafly's most loyal lickspittles question the validity of rewriting the Bible (not taking into account the dire warnings in Revelation 22:18-19; that means you, dearie!). And while it's been excised, Minitrue-style, previously someone had stated how even the established Southern Baptist (& related) Church system, and all famous preachers, amongst other hardline Conservative Christians in the US had publicly - and universally - denounced Schaftafly, and what he dared to do to even other versions of the Bible, to say nothing of their precious KJV (as most of them are KJV-onlyists, of course).

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Oh, and Filin De Blanc? Further conclusive proof of how - via her educational inferiority - Troll/Liar/Loony4Life FAILS?:

"this seems to be the fad among liberals nowadays. Anything you want in there?"

I vote Labour. Always have, always will. The Labour party here in the UK are Left of Centre. The Conservative Party (especially with it's leader David Cameron) is Right of Centre. The Liberal Democrats are 'Middle-of-the-road'; neither right, nor left..

To further annihilate her argument... well, just annihilate her anyway, here's a few little factoids:

The Liberal Democrats in Japan are the Conservatives.

The Liberal Democrats in Russia are the hardline Nationalists.

The Liberals in Australia are as right-wing as the Repubicans/GOP in the US. And the most religiously Christian in that country, too.

Somehow, I doubt the Australian Liberals (those in Japan are Shintoists; those in Russia are Russian Orthodox) would want their KJV Bible tampered with. [/smartarse]

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@Felix Wilde

Oh, this just couldn't get any better! Almost as good as an IP ban. And not just via her admitting she's a troll with her 'get your goat' BS (and very reminiscent of the supposed 'JW' that was Orange Witless here). Now, whenever she dares infect this place with her inferior presence again, all I have to do is link this thread - especially this page - to demonstrate that's she's purely antagonistic, and not the 'Christian' she claims to be (but then, real Christians wouldn't even think of being antagonistic, and/or behaving like trolls), then along with her being a proven loony, everyone will see that anything she says, never mind 'threatens' us with (and anything said by a proven loony - as per that quote by Nietzsche - doesn't prove anything, and is irrelevant, therefore what she 'claims' will happen to us via her 'threats wont). exposes her for what she really is, just like Orange Witless.

Thus - like he was - she'll be ignored. Starve this subhuman fucker of attention. Every time she dares appear here again, she'll just continue to prove she's a loony, and therefore admit she's inferior to the rest of us. >:D

Todd Strandberg #fundie raptureready.com

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