Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan #fundie

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“A decade ago, it seemed the side of darkness had conquered,” said New York Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan, noting that time has proven that “the side of angels, not demons” has prevailed.

“There were no atheists here on 9/11 in New York,” he said. “My message today is that God has the last word.

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old comment by John

There were no atheists here on 9/11 in New York

What is Timmy saying?

a) There were plenty of atheists before 9/11 but when they watched the twin towers go down they suddenly said "damn, I guess God exists after all, and He's a sadistic bastard"

b) "Well, I didn't believe in God before, but now I'm about to die so I'm going to clutch to a straw and hope some supernatural thing is going to save me"

c) "Well, I didn't believe in God before, but I prayed to Him anyway and got out alive, so I guess He helped."

I suspect (a) rarely exists. Contrary to Timmy's belief, nothing creates atheists like a disaster. The usual human reaction from disaster victims is "fuck God - I prayed and He didn't do shit!" Just check the reaction to the Lisbon earthquake.

(b) is just the old "Pascal's Wager": "I'm dead anyway, so prayer can't hurt."

(c) is the Church's favorite: you pray, you get what you want, God gets the credit. You pray, you don't get what you want, it's your own or somebody else's fault. Over 80% of the people in the Twin Towers were probably believers. Some lived; some died. Among the rest, some lived; some died. Same shit, different explanation.

old comment by checkmate

“There were no atheists here on 9/11 in New York”

His Excellency Archbishop Dolan assumes that in times of need people review their true inner thoughts and realize that they do indeed believe in God.

Well, in times of need, stress, etc., some people turn to drugs, some to alcohol, some to violence, some to food, some to therapy, some to religion.

So what His Excellence is actually admitting, without realizing it, is that faith in God is nothing more than an irrational mental crutch, just like so many others. As with other drugs (in a wide sense) people become addicted to it and need help to get rid of it, in this case some kind of "Faithful Anonymous."

Dolan could just well have said "on 9/11 everybody in NY was a junkie."

Dear Fr. Dolan: please speak for yourself.

old comment by CohibaMan

"The side of angels, not demons" has prevailed?

Let me see here. Al-Qaeda organized and carried out the attacks on 9/11 with a twofold purpose -- they wanted to lash out against the United States for its presence in the Middle East and they wanted to ratchet up an East vs. West conflict that would lead to the reunification of the Islamic world. Their strategy for this was simple -- they'd commit an attack on the United States and let us do what we tend to do best: overreact and act like the fucking hypocrites we are.

In the aftermath of 9/11 we've managed to dismantle much of what once made this country great in terms of our fundamental liberties while increasing our presence in a region that resents our constant meddling. We've successfully turned not only the Middle East but much of the world against us. We've militarized our society to levels not seen since the Soviet Union. We advocate torture as a necessary measure. We effectively toss out the Enlightenment concept of Presumption of Innocence and instead opt to assume guilt until innocence is proven, even for our own citizens. We wage wars that are bankrupting us and are forcing us to rearrange our budget in such a way that money which should go towards schools, food, and medicine will instead go to bombs, bullets, and jet fighters.

If this is what happens when angels prevail and God has the last word, I shudder at what happens when demons get their way...

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To put things into perspective, about 3000 people were killed in the terrorist attacks of 9/11.

Over 10,000 children have accused priests of child sex abuse at the hands of Catholic priests in the United States alone, in an act called "soul murder", since the child never fully recovers, and they never have the same faith in God. The number is likely 3-5 times that number, since people like Archbishop Dolan immediately try to fight and discredit the victims.

Just last month, he discredited the victim when a 16 year old girl came forward to accuse a priest of inappropriate contact. The Catholic League and their $399,000 a year front man immediately trashed her, even though the priest himself admitted to massaging her (and why, in God's name, is a priest massaging a girl) and blamed her for wearing very short skirts. Dolan republishes the Catholic League bashing on his blog.

Two of the biggest, loudest mouths in the Catholic church immediately discredit a poor, little 16 year old girl from the Bronx when she comes forward with the umpti-thousandth case of priest predator attacking child.

Think that will stop other victims from coming forward? You bet. Great legal strategy. Horrible church.

Catholic priests, stop talking about 9/11. We're trying to forget one enemy. We don't need to be reminded of another.

old comment by Felis >:3

There were and are, even now, atheists in New York. So fuck your God if he dieliberately allowed this to happen.

And what the hell do you even mean, eanywhay? That New York wasn't harbouring any atheists, so that would be a good sight in God's eyes? So why the fuck did he let it get bombed?

God let a group of religious enemies bomb the city, so that proves there were no atheists in New York? Or that there being no atheists has allowed us to win? What about SEAL Team Six? The USMC? The SAS?

(And think of all those poor Predator drones who's feelings you've hurt, too.)

In short, fuck your shit and fuck your God. After all, HE'S part of the reason that the Tube trains in London quite literally cost an arm and a leg to get on.

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