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You are right, the time has come for the parting of Christianity and the GOP. The majority of Republicans in the Senate and Congress are RINOs (Republican in name only). They no longer hold to the Republican beliefs of smaller government and individual freedoms. The Republican Leadership has sided with evil. Witness the complete focus now by Boehner on legalizing the illegals which is exactly what 0bama wants. What does 0bama not want? Repeal of 0bamaCare and spending reductions. What has the House indicated on these? It will not do anything to repeal 0bamaCare or restrain spending. Who does the Republican leadership identify as their enemy? The Tea Party. What does the Tea Party represent in this battle? Goodness and the American way. So, the Republican Leaders are now operating as an elite few who see their role as that of shepherds, moving the conservatives of America into the new Liberal World Order.

With that said, the other side of the coin is the Democrat/socialist/Liberalism view which is not only the "religion" of the new age progressives, it is their porn. It truly is a mental disorder that is being used as an offering to the childish, dependent, and weak minded as an alternative to personal responsibility and self reliance, and in exchange for absolute human rights. It empowers the most vile aspects of humanity via the "tolerance" of the "group think" to believe that their selfish hedonism is "freedom". The United States now exports the true concept of freedom in smaller quantities than ever before. Freedom isn't free and that is a lesson lost on the chronically self indulgent.

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old comment by Doubting Thomas

I for one would love to see a split of the Republican Party. Take all the extreme right-wing crazies and have them form the Tea Party so they can become just as totally irrelevant and impotent as the Constitution Party. This will, of course, hobble the mainstream Republican Party to where they will lose half their support, but at least they would then be able to put up moderate candidates.

I don't know that it will happen because the teabaggers know they need the power and money already present in the GOP and to go and start their own third party means they'll lose all that. But frankly it's sad that we actually have people who think that the Republican Party isn't conservative enough.

old comment by

LOL, I laugh at you fools. The crypto-socialists of FSTDT are just as bad and irrational as the most extreme of the GOP. All I have to do is read the comments section and the obvious bias of quoting only theists and right-wingers, never leftists who say dumb shit.

The tea partiers who claim to believe in individual freedom often want religious laws and to regulate what you can do in your private life. Sex is icky, prostitution is icky despite "free markets!", porn is icky, GTA is a "murder simulator" etc. Some of them also want blacks treated differently because "there are too many black criminals", there was this guy on YouTube talking about "re-education camps" for young black men...

Now, the radical left wants a highly regulated economy, high taxes, the complete government takeover of healthcare and is extremely naive about foreign policy and suicidally pacifist. They also want open borders and no consequences for illegal immigration. They say they oppose US military interventions because of "national sovereignty" but have no regard for US national sovereignty. They regard all immigration laws as illegitimate and nobody should be deported or jailed for immigrating outside the boundaries of the law. And the cherry on top: the left is naive about Islam viewing as either as bad or Christianity or as harmless or Jainism - which of course leads to more naive foreign policy decisions and missed details in the war on terror as well as relations with the Islamic world in general.

Oh, and it seems that the left also wants blacks treated differently, just in the other direction, positive discrimination because "only whites can be racist" and "whites are privileged".

Man, people were right, the US is more polarized since the civil war.

old comment by

"right-wing idiots are funnier"

Only cause many right-wing positions are counter-intuitive. It's very hard for example for some individuals to understand how capitalism, regulated or otherwise, could be a good system when some people have mansions and millions of dollars they could never spend in their life, while others don't own anything, not even their own house. Likewise they may not understand something like "peace through strength" or what being a world power means so they just wanna cut the military as much as possible.

You hear a left-winger say something that sounds nice in theory but is just as stupid like "imagine no countries and people sharing all the world" or "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" or "pacifism is good, war is not the answer, why can't we just get along" or even "the US should not intervene militarily unless directly attacked" and think, oh wow what a nice progressive person.

No, he's a radical too. His supposedly good intentions don't negate that.

Something a bit more specific would be (and this has actually been claimed very recently by leftists):

The US should not put pressure on Russia to back off from Ukraine because the US has:
1. death penalty
2. drone strikes
3. NSA surveillance
4. invaded Iraq

If you cannot see how this is a bad analogy and a false moral equivalence you're probably a radical leftie too. For example, Russia ANNEXED Crimea, Iraq is not a new US state now and never will be.

EDIT: And I'm sorry but you have a disproportionate amount of right-wing quotes, whether it's mainstream right-wing politicians, or random religious crazies on the Internet. The odd left-wing quote doesn't help enough.

I can't find a single Chomsky quote despite the fact that he has said plenty of transparently dumb shit in his life.

old comment by Went

Dear Mr. Troll:

We all love your strawmen but if you can find a truly deranged left-wing crazy saying some of the things you "heard somebody say" we encourage you to submit it. We at least bother to quote fundies saying nonsense instead of throwing strawmen around while saying "Man how crazy those strawmen are".

"Now, the radical left wants ... the complete government takeover of healthcare"

Well I live in a country with a centre-right Government... and with public, single-payer healthcare. Which, by the way, you can find in almost every single developed country outside of a particular piece of land in North America. The rest of the world, how does it work??

old comment by Shockna

"Likewise they may not understand something like "peace through strength" or what being a world power means so they just wanna cut the military as much as possible."

You seem to represent the opposite extreme. Opposed to cutting even a penny of the superfluous, extremely bloated military spending in the US, despite that a majority of the money serves only to enrich private contractors and not actually protect the US (I don't know this for sure, but I'd also wager that you're a foreign policy hawk, despite that most foreign interventions end up making us -less- safe, not more).

"I can't find a single Chomsky quote despite the fact that he has said plenty of transparently dumb shit in his life. "

Noam Chomsky is practically the definition of "tedious and verbose". He's said plenty of stupid shit, but it's not particularly humorous.

old comment by Hasan Prishtina

Dear Troll

I'm not sure I find those positions at all counter-intuitive. If you've lived in what was once a communist country, you might understand that. All the same, I don't feel it's necessary to swallow the senseless pablum dished out by many of those quoted here, as it's not so much counter-intuitive as counterfactual.

As for your "left-winger's" positions, as so often with those who claim to possess uncanny knowledge of those who disagree with them, I've seen nothing to suggest that this represents more than a handful of Trotskyists and other malcontents who wouldn't pull the lever for a Democrat if it offered them an everlasting subscription to The Militant. So we have another hoary "insight" into the mind of those who don't agree with you which, as the rest of the world can see, is full of more straw men than a convention of corn dollies.

And, yes, I agree that Chomsky, and especially his followers, have often said things that mark him out as a cultish, nauseating zealot. But that doesn't make him just like any other kind of left-winger because the far left, just like the far right, is replete with fruit loops denouncing each other as lacking in ideological purity. That you cannot find a Chomsky quote is because: a) he is a skilled user of the English language; and b) this is a humor site. An ignorant, incoherent rant by a commenter at an extremist website or a crass, throwaway comment by a politician who ought to know better is worthy of mockery - 2,500 words of carefully crafted prose, however crazy, on Chomsky's latest thing just isn't funny. If you want more left-wing quotes, go find them and submit them; a wider range of quotes is always welcome.

old comment by the "troll"

"you can find in almost every single developed country "

The question is, does it work for the US? It is in the spirit of a country founded on individual freedom? Will it even be well received by the culture of America to work? Take a look at how Obamacare (which is not even single payer) was received. Not so well and some people are actually LOSING their old policy despite "if you like your healthcare plan you can keep it" and not finding suitable alternatives.

But back to single payer, it's not as simple as progressives think and there are consequences to having government-run anything:

- more corruption
- mismanagement of resources, something that is far less forgivable in the private sector because you lose profits
- higher taxes to fund it meaning you keep less of what you make (or the country just goes into debt)

Keep in mind you pay these taxes EVEN if you don't use the public option and just go with private doctors because you trust them more or you feel private hospitals are cleaner or whatever

- loss of productivity

You do get however the illusion that people are not dying from treatable illnesses. They still are. Maybe not as often but you have to balance that with the loss of certain freedoms.

old comment by Canalan

Dear 'the "troll"'

Let me sum up what everyone else has said so you understand.

This site is a humor site, most left wing nutjob rants read like Atlas Shrugged (if you'll excuse me using a more right wing crazybook for an example). It's bad, yes, but not funny or fun to read. Right wingers seem to throw out a lot more dumbass soundbites. That is why this site is 'biased' against the right. Because their idiots are louder and dumber and funnier.

Not every left winger is the same; your broad barn-painting brush you used is poorly suited to paint humans. Sometimes people are different than your narrow worldview wants to allow!

Also, you're adorable, you (apparently) think corruption is the exclusive domain of the Feds. Because there's never been corruption in corporate.

Also also, lots of the reasons the Affordable Care Act didn't work right (besides poor site design) is because Republican legislators gutted it. And then bitched about how, now that they gutted it, it wouldn't work. And then they blamed the Democrats for what they, the Republicans, did.

Accept that both sides have their strong and weak points... which is why working together is necessary in a healthy government. Well, first it would be nice to have a healthy conservative party, more Eisenhowers and Goldwaters, less Bauchmans and Cruz... es, you get me.

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"Because there's never been corruption in corporate."

Who said there isn't? The problem is, this has consequences, typically in the form of loss of profits. Feel free to practice nepotism in your own company rather than hire people on their own merits, it's a sure way to lose profits.

In the public sector there's less accountability. They're not using their own money, they're using OTHER people's money so they care less. It's not really a question of good people vs. bad people, human nature is flawed. Anyone (or almost anyone) can be corrupted with the right circumstance and most of us aren't iron-willed people with absolute integrity. They're more likely to be inefficient, give contracts to "friends" and people who pay bribes and appoint relatives in other high positions (nepotism). How do you think crony capitalism is made possible if not by expanding the power of government? Look at Russia or Venezuela or Eastern Europe.

"It's bad, yes, but not funny or fun to read."

Why? Because they "mean well"? Because they have "noble goals" or "peace and equality"? How is it any less nutty to say "war is never the answer" or "the US shouldn't have any nukes" than "we want small government, but only as long as the law is based on Christianity and we ban X, Y and Z because it's un-Christian and God hates that"?

Did pacifists defeat Nazi Germany?

Do people concerned with nukes in the US or the west in general have some viable plan to disarm all the other authoritarian regimes FIRST before they disarm their own countries? They don't because they're idealistic nitwits. They don't understand peace through strength. They don't understand MAD. They don't understand how the world works in general.

And I'm not saying that is how everyone on the left is, but you don't quote any of these and there's a lot of them if you look hard enough, which puts into question your status as a neutral observer.

old comment by Hasan Prishtina

Do people concerned with nukes in the US or the west in general have some viable plan to disarm all the other authoritarian regimes FIRST before they disarm their own countries? They don't because they're idealistic nitwits. They don't understand peace through strength. They don't understand MAD. They don't understand how the world works in general.

There are people concerned with nukes at every point on the political spectrum, right, left, and center; I knew a left-wing politician who was an ardent defender of MAD. And, while we're on the subject, I recall that the most passionate of pacifists in World War II were to be found in the America First Committee and the GOP, howling down any attempt by the administration to bolster our defences or aid in any way those threatened with subjugation at Nazi hands. As for not understanding how things work, I see you still haven't got the concept of this site; it's not a site for general political discussion, but for amusement.

old comment by Shockna

"- mismanagement of resources, something that is far less forgivable in the private sector because you lose profits "

And yet, programs like Medicare are more efficient than their private sector insurance counterparts.

It largely depends on how the price elasticity for the particular industry is. Healthcare is very inelastic; people need medical care. The demand for medical care acts largely independently of the price of such care, and when prices (insurance premiums, in this case) are pushed so far beyond the reach of many people, they simply do without such necessities (often to disastrous consequences).

"- more corruption "

Ill-defined term. Define "corruption"; I'm not sure any definitions for the term exist that would allow a state-funded service to be more corrupt than the health insurance industry in the US.

"You do get however the illusion that people are not dying from treatable illnesses. They still are. Maybe not as often but you have to balance that with the loss of certain freedoms."

It's hardly an "illusion" at all. The statistics speak for themselves; only in the US do people die from easily treatable illnesses in particularly high numbers.

The "freedom loss" only exists, it seems to me, if you assume that money = freedom (which is true to a degree, but not in the utterly categorical sense which you seem to think it is).

"How do you think crony capitalism is made possible if not by expanding the power of government?"

Crony capitalism tends to happen by itself quite a bit (also, contrary to right-libertarian/anarcho-capitalist dogma, an unregulated free market will tend toward monopolies, especially in easily cornered markets). There was quite a bit of cronyism in the gilded age, and there wasn't a tenth as much regulation as there was today. Things like cronyism are more complicated than just "evil government".

old comment by NonProphet

Dear Anonymous Coward, aka #1649760:

Your intentional ignorance is tiresome. You asked why quotes from Chomsky & such are not appropriate here, while quote-mining the comment that explained that they are too long-winded & tedious to be amusing.

Get this into your head:
This site is for entertainment purposes. Boring, 2000+-word diatribes by practised public speakers simply are. Not. Entertaining.
If you want a site centred on political debate & analytical dissection of every dull thing every politician says, you're in the wrong place.

There are dozens of left-wing quotes here. Your insistence that there aren't "enough" comes off as a rather petty complaint for the sake of provoking others.

Your ignorance (and/or naivete) regarding politics, capitalism, and the political spectrum makes you seem like a hit-and-run amateur troll, at best. You do realize that we have minors here who have picked apart the exact same strawmen & political fantasies you're throwing around, right?