What's to Stop the Atheists from:
Harming you
killing you
dismembering you.
They have no Moral Values because Moral Values come from God
and they don't Serve or Obey God or recognize His Existence.
So, Watch out for the Non Morall Atheists.
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What's to stop Christians from
Harming you
killing you
dismembering you
hanging you
torturing you
stoning you
pressing you to death
sexually assaulting you under the guise of searching for evidence of witchcraft
And Christians even have gawd to hold them back!!! Funny how I never hear of atheists torturing anyone for not believing in atheism! Oh, Communist countries don't actually count, I'm talking about the US...where Christians have done all those things to people they thought were unbelievers!!!
Moral values? I dont think: incest, mass genocide, and rape are moral values, yet the bible God condones all of the above and then some. Oh and im a Pagan, im just tired of atheists getting bashed by christians.
On my part it's a mixture of apathy and the trouble I'd have getting the blood stains out of my clothes if I dismembered you.
Oh, and being a humanist who tries to treat others as he'd like to be treated.
"What's to Stop the Atheists from:
Harming you
killing you
dismembering you."
Fair enough. I WOULD harm/kill/dismember you, if given the opportunity.
If you want to believe that bullshit, go right ahead. Maybe it'll keep you away from us. And we'll keep watching out for the fanatical Christians who want to burn, stone or imprison us because you're sure that a righteous God is telling you to do it.
I'm an atheist. Don't be fooled by my appearance as a middle-aged woman who does her job, pays her taxes, abides by the law, gives to charity and is generally a pretty nice person. Fear me!
What's to stop me? My superior sense of morality. Unlike many religious people, I don't feel it is okay to harm, kill, or dismember just because someone thinks differently than me or because I get a delusion that 'god' told me to. Hell, I probably couldn't even bear to kill a person in self defense, which is consequently a lot more Christ like.
Brainisha already said a lot about the moral values of god according to the old testament.
Just a few additions:
Be careful if you tell a christian that you don´t believe in god. Acording to the old testament then he has to stone you.
And it would also not be wise to live in a city where there is someone not believing in YHWH and trying to convert other inhabitants to his faith. The old testament demands that in this case the whole population of the city has to be killed.
And as a married girl maybe you should also be careful that you don´t get raped in a city, as then you will be stoned, together with your rapist.
If, however, the rape hapened outside of the city (and you are single) you have more luck, in this case you only have to mary your rapist.
That´s biblical moral values ;)
Why is it that "Christians" throughout the ages have refined perverted cruelty to such an extent? Could it have something to do with their schizoid scripture?
I believe it does. I also believe that bible preachers as a group are worse than child rapists.
What's to stop me from doing this?
Quite simple, I have empathy for my fellow humans. I don't want to see others harmed, killed, dismembered, etc. I'm not evil and I don't need a 2,000 year old book written by Bronze Age, superstitious shepherders to tell me not to do bad things.
Since atheists don't believe in God, presumably they don't believe moral values come from God, either. So has it occurred to you they might have a different view of the whole thing than you do, and might even have the same moral values from a different source? Try asking one.
I'm sort of non-conventionally religious ("agnostic" doesn't really cut it-- I believe in a higher power, it just doesn't fit into any of the handy boxes), and I seem to have come up with my *own* moral values. Go figure.
"What's to Stop the Atheists from:
Harming you
killing you
dismembering you."
Social order. Laws of the area. Personal morality. The Golden Rule. How's that? I'm sure I could come up with a couple more at the very least if I spent more than 10 fucking seconds thinking about it.
"They have no Moral Values because Moral Values come from God
and they don't Serve or Obey God or recognize His Existence."
Bullshit. The fact that morals are subjective both on a personal and cultural level shows that morality does not come from a single source.
"So, Watch out for the Non Morall Atheists."
Oh, yes. Watch out for all the non-moral atheists! Why, they're likely to go on a crusade and kill a few hundred thousand people or fly a plane into a building because they think it's "God's Will." Oh, wait...
"Non Morall(sic)"
Whatever.
What Omega is actually saying is that he/she has no innate sense of morality, and needs the constant threat of hell in order to behave in an acceptable manner.
It seems there is something missing in this person's psyche,,, the part that raises them above wild animals. Worse, even wild animals don't kill or maim without reason, but it seems this person would if not constantly threatened with eternal damnation.
I a little tired, missing so much sleep going out at night and murdering all those christians in their beds. They don't even have the good grace to thank me for sending them to Jesus. A total lack of moral values, I'm afraid.
I believe all atheists are immoral bastards who enjoy harming and killing other people.
None of the Atheists I've ever met acted immoral or killed anyone,
therefore I conclude ...
All atheists are immoral bastards who enjoy harming and killing other people.
What's stopping fundies from:
Denying you your rights to marriage, education, and equal status (if you are gay).
Denying you access to birth control and abortion.
Denying you your rights to your body, education and equal status (if you are a woman).
Reinforcing patriarchy to pre-1900 levels.
Forcing creationism, abstinence-ed and religion in schools.
Making one rule for them, another for you (remember the Catholic child-molesting priests?)
They think they have all the moral values, based on a collection of tales about a fictional sky fairy, which they will use to oppress others to maintain their power. They do not recognize fairness, diversity, equality or reason.
So, watch out for the moral brigade.
Watch out for the non-moral atheists, wherever the fuck they are.
I follow the social contract, so I'm not allowed to murder anyone, much less believe an invisible skyman told me to or that I could be forgiven for it.
The way I see it, theists have the capacity to be much less moral than most atheists are. Of course, most theists are good as are most atheists, but we don't have a god who will be there to forgive us. We can't escape our consequences.
Don't forget
Disemboweling and Beheading:)
Honestly, this is just as funny as the atheists kill everyone and throw them in the trash. All this killing never makes the headlines and those pesky atheists never get caught either.
It's too funny to get angry over. Especially since I think I may have better Moralls than them. I know I have better grammer and spelling ability.
They have no Moral Values because Moral Values come from God
If thats true, then why did he order the killings of thousands of innocent people in the OT?
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
I will leave your flesh on the mountains, and fill the valleys with your carcass. I will water the land with what flows from you, and the river beds shall be filled with your blood. When I snuff you out I will cover the heavens, and all the stars will darken; (Ezekiel 32:5-7 NAB)
Later on God tested Abraham's faith and obedience. "Abraham!" God called." Yes," he replied. "Here I am." "Take your son, your only son yes, Isaac, whom you love so much and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-2 NLT)
funny according to christian dogma, christians dont "obey God or recognize his existance either, they overthrew God for his son, jesus" Oh and i forgot to add slavery to that list.
Um, another fucked up argument with no basis in reality.
Morals do not come from god. As any person who doesn't believe in god what their values are and whether they know the difference between right and wrong.
What's to Stop the Atheists from:
Harming you
killing you
dismembering you.
-I don't know, the law? Our own morals (which do exist).
They have no Moral Values because Moral Values come from God
-No they don't.
and they don't Serve or Obey God or recognize His Existence.
-Okay, that's correct.
So, Watch out for the Non Morall Atheists.
-I just thought of a really great name for a band.
"Moral Values come from God"
Ugh, I hate that crap. And they even felt the need to capitalize "Moral Values" because they were lovingly given to us from god. <gag>
If I did kill you, why would you be so worried about the following dismemberment? You're already dead, right?
This is perhaps one of the most annoying arguments posited by the christers. Morality most assuredly doesn't come from some sky-daddy. It comes from an evolutionary process, knowing that the survival of the society in which we live gives to our own survival.. stealing "Bubbah's" car means that "Bubbah" can come back and steal our car.. and vice versa.
IDIOTS.
Did you just say that you don't do this things, only because your god says so? You're a sick fuck.
Btw, what's stopping normal people from doing such things is something called empathy.
What's to Stop the Fundy Christians from:
Harming you
killing you
dismembering you.
They have no Moral Values because Moral Values come from fundy preachers
and they don't Serve or Obey God or recognize His Existence.
Fundy Christians reject the American Constitution; they would LOVE to get rid of it so they can impose their so-called 'Biblical' law - the implementation of a theocratic, fundy state where all non-believers are segregated, gays are placed in internment camps (as some fundies have advocated) and refusing to submit to school prayer or other religious dogma will be punished. And the fundies have the GALL to claim THEY are being persecuted! They use this fictional argument to justify persecuting those wh dont agree with them.
All that I already knew...
... but no-one tells me what do with the moral atheists, which I use to meet more of.
In theory, according to Omega , atheists shouldn't be behaving as well as Christians.
But the nice thing about some theories is that you can compare their predictions to experiment. We're living that experiment. And it proves Omega wrong.
Clearly, I'm not atheist enough, since I've done none of those things.
* makes not in agenda: go on killing-spree in local church to re-affirm my atheism *
They have no Moral Values because Moral Values come from God
and they don't Serve or Obey God or recognize His Existence.
It's scary that the only thing holding Omega back from unleashing his full fury is a non-existent god.
The really worrying thing is that he might work this out for himself one day and then think that there is nothing stopping him from dismembering whoever he wants.
What's to Stop the theists from:
Harming you
killing you
dismembering you.
They have no Moral Values because Moral Values come from ethics and they only Serve or Obey God or recognize His Existence.
So, Watch out for the Non Moral theists.
What's stopping atheists from indulging in biblical eevil?
Perhaps it's our cognizance of real-life consequences, which always trump the make-believe "loving and merciful" sky-asshole.
I am infinitely more moral than the Christian god. So far, I have not gone on any killing sprees. I give people a second chance when they do something wrong. I don't require anyone to stroke my ego by worshiping me. If belief in me is so important, I would make my existence known. That is something that god can't do and I can. I can prove that I exist.
I can only speak for myself, but I don't do those things because I'm not a sociopath.
And, ONCE AGAIN, morals don't come from the Bible. If they did, people wouldn't be able to cherry-pick from the bible because they'd have no concept of what is or is not reprehensible in their own eyes. They wouldn't know what to take or leave.
My word, this is getting boring!
I have compassion and empathy that stops me from doing those things to others, as I would not want anyone to do that to me.
I don't need any gods or Big Brothers to keep me in check, I just listen to my heart. My heart tells me that it feels good to be kind and generous.
"What's to Stop the Atheists from:
Harming you
killing you
dismembering you."
Good point. All christians are moral so they'd never do something like that. Now let's sweep all those Inquisition and Witch Trial records under the rug...
"What's to Stop the Atheists from:
Harming you
killing you
dismembering you."
Oh, I dunno... mayhaps the notion that I wouldn't like to be harmed, killed nor dismembered by anyone, so why should I want to do the same to others?
"They have no Moral Values because Moral Values come from God
and they don't Serve or Obey God or recognize His Existence."
Jim Bakker (Preacher; Stealing)
Jimmy Swaggart (Preacher; Adultery)
Ted Faggard (Preacher; preaching against the 'evils' of homosexuality, but exposed as a homosexual himself, therefore a hypocrite)
Kent Hovind (Creation teacher; Not Rendering Unto Caesar)
Tony Alamo (Preacher; Serial statutory rapist)
Timothy McVeigh (Right-wing Fundamentalist Christian; Terrorism)
Scott Roeder (Right-wing Fundamentalist Christian; Murder)
...shall I continue?
"So, Watch out for the Non Moral Right-wing Fundamentalist Christians."
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1)Let me borrow an answer from Socrates(ok Plato):
is god's will good because it is good in itself, or because it is god's will? If it's good because it is god's will, then it is not "good" in any meaningful way. If it is good because it is good in itself, then the fact that it's god's will is irrelevant.
2)Even without formalising values, most people instinctively hate harming other human beings.
3)I honestly think that anyone who believes there's an afterlife can easily justify any atrocity in THIS life.
Edit: oh, of course, 4: we have police.
I have to answer to myself, the law, and everyone else around me. I also don't want to. I'm not a bad' person just because i dont believe in sky pixies.I've never even had a speeding ticket let alone wanting to run around and kill people.
This argument is staler than a packet of biscuits from 1927.
Who the fuck says you need to believe in sky pixies to have morals? How about common decency and treating others as we want to be treated by them?
Oh, with the threat of jail or even worse if we do happen to stray. Curious, isn't it, how the overwhelming majority of prisoners doing hard time in the USA (or even awaiting execution) believe in God. So just where is your morality then?
and yet, we don't. so I guess there's something wrong with your statement.
also, the bible says you should kill everyone working on sundays. yet I bet you don't consider that moral. so where did you get the morals to know that killing people working on the sabbath day is wrong?
not for the babble or gawd I think.
"What's to Stop the Atheists from:
Harming you
killing you
dismembering you."
Oh, I dunno...
...mayhaps the fact that we wouldn't like being harmed, killed, dismembered etc, so why should we do the same to others? [/smartarse]
Next question.
"They have no Moral Values because Moral Values come from God
and they don't Serve or Obey God or recognize His Existence."
Timothy McVeigh. Eric Robert Rudolph. Scott Roeder. Right-wing Fundamental ist Christians who served God and recognised his existence.
So watch out for the fundies. They have no morals whatsoever .
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