The Baptist church is the one that Jesus began when He was here on earth. However, not ALL Baptist churches still follow the Bible like they once did. Even some independent fundamental Baptist churches are straying from the foundations in God's Word.
No other denomination was started by Jesus....they were all started by fallible mortal men.
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This is what drives most intelligent people who are christian nuts.
Well, I hear there's a verse in the NT where JC renames Simon, and calls him Peter (The Rock), and says "On this rock I will build my Church", and guess who the first Pope is said to have been?
There is a large portion of the bible that I ear marked as total bullshit before I dropped it completely, and when you can notice a significant change in the behavior of the 'savior' based on his earlier stances, it fell into that category.
This is the way the argument escalates:I
Actually, John wasn't "a" Baptist, he was "the" baptist. As in he baptized people. He really didn't give a shit about any religious organization. Or money. Or bathing. Or being nice to people. Or really anything else.
Um, no. That would be Roman Catholicism, you know, that religion that a bunch of people split from during what was known as the Protestant Reformation because they had issues with several million things that they no longer agreed with, most prominantly the infallibility of the Pope.
Evidently, Mrs. Debbie doesn't know that the Baptists were started in the early 1600's. Funny, if Jesus was a real person, I've never before seen someone say he was wandering around in 1600, nor that he started a church then :P
The Baptist church is the one that Jesus began when He was here on earth.
Actually the "churches of Christ" claim to the the authentic church started by Jesus. The name of their church is actually in the Bible; Baptist Church is not.
I didn't know that the bible, the great book of fairy tales, could be diluted and twisted any more than it was, yet here we are.
Even some independent fundamental Baptist churches are straying from the foundations in God's Word.
They teach that the only church organization that can be taught from the Bible is allowed. No councils, synods, ordination, reverends, mission societies are allowed since they are not Biblical, but they are Baptist.
Yep, that's right. The Baptist church OBVIOUSLY wasn't started during the Protestant reformation as the Anabaptist church and FOR SURE didn't move to America and split into the Baptist and Amish churches. Nope, Jesus done it!
Someone doesn't have a firm grasp of church history. The early church was the Catholic (meaning universal) Church (comprised of the patriarchates of Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Constantinople). It was the only recognized legitimate show until 1054 A.D.
No other denomination was started by Jesus....they were all started by fallible mortal men. 5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Do you really think that someone who says "avoid the synagogue, pray in secret" would set up a new synagogue under a different name?
Besides, Jesus (if he existed) was a "fallible mortal man."
Prove what you're saying. The fact reamains that Jesus truely started the Coptic and Gnostic faiths because we actually have proof of that in the Gnostic Gospels, the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Coptic Church which has kept all the original books and did no editing to them (can you say King James?) or banning of books such as Enoch.
bwahahaha.
History disagrees!
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Historic revisionist of the month?
Actually, the baptist church was started by an Englishman named John Smythe in the 17th century as part of a puritanical Dissenters movement from the Church of England. From there it splintered into the many various sects that we have today. The fundamentalist independent baptist churches grew out of the fundamentalist movement in the 18th to 19th centuries in reaction to a perceived liberalism that was supposedly creeping into the churches during the Enlightenment. It was from here that the evangelical movement began, who agreed in principle with the fundamentalists, but rejected the idea of separation from society at large. There are only two (or four, depending on who you ask) churches that go back through time to the beginnings of christianity, 1. the roman catholic church (and this is debatable, seeing as how many doctrines important to catholics didn't begin to show up until about the 5th century onward), 2. eastern orthodox church, and two churches that left the EO 3. the oriental orthodox churches (which disagreed with the EO and RC over the two natures of christ at the 4th ecumenical council of chalcedon), and 4. the assyrian church of the east (sometimes called the nestorian church, but there is debate as to whether this is an accurate label) which split from the church during the 3rd ecumenical council of ephesus over the role of the virgin mary, and whether she should be called 'theotokos' (mother of god). So the baptist churches are far from 'true' churches, if historicity is a factor.
Point of order: The Reformation didn't happen over the infallibility of the pope as that wasn't declared Catholic dogma till 1870 if memory serves.
It was about corruption overall, including things like nepotism (giving church positions to relatives) and simony (selling church offices), and the inciting incident was the selling of indulgences (i.e. you pay the Church money, your relative gets time off Purgatory and gets into heaven quicker).
[No other denomination was started by Jesus....they were all started by fallible mortal men.]
Ah yes, just like the ones who wrote the bible.
If this is so, then there is something you must consider. The earliest recorded Baptists (i.e. from the 17th century) were staunch advocates of separation between church and state. Indeed, they were persecuted in England for promoting this idea (among others). Granted, modern day Baptists have betrayed the noble origins of their movement, and are in fact largely ignorant of them, but Mrs.Debbie acknowledges that not all Baptist churches follow their founding ideals.
So Mrs.Debbie, are you saying that Jesus advocated a secular society, as the original Baptists did?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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