Abel's animal sacrifice pleased God simply because it involved death and blood. And that's the only thing that will pay for our sin. The purpose of the sacrifice was to have the sacrifice take our sin. God is not interested in your work to pay for your sin. It requires death. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin, the Bible says. So without the blood you can not be saved. Cain's offering of fruits and vegetables, as wonderful as it may have looked, was not impressive to God. Just by the same token, your good works and my good works are not impressive to God. The only thing He is looking for is the blood.
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And they completely miss the real message of the story which is when you screw up (Cain getting jealous and killing Abel), you need to acknowledge it, take responsibility for it, and not try to weasel out ("Am I my brother's keeper?").
It's the same message in the Adam and Eve story - he blamed her, she blamed the serpent, and they all got bitchslapped by YHWH for not owning up and saying sorry.
Bearing responsibility for your actions is a good thing for all humans to practice.
Of course, the stupid fundies manage to miss all the subtexts in Genesis and get obsessed by literalism and outdated dogma.
I read somewhere (can't find the link sorry) that it was more to do with trying to stamp out the worship of the Semitic mother goddess Asherah (the consort of Yahweh). Traditionally blood/meat sacrifices were made to the Sky Father while grain was given to the Earth Mother. Thus Cain's offering of his work was rejected over the portion of Abel's flock.
A very old morality tale made to solidify the power of the priests.
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Finally. The God of Love charade is over. They dropped the mask they use to tempt fence-sitters, agnostics, and the ignorant. The true face is revealed.
Blood for the Blood God.
Out of curiosity, how was Cain supposed to know this? Nothing in the bible says that god said what kind of sacrifice he wanted before he rejected Cain's.
Now we know he's a blood thirsty prick, but really, Cain was just new at this.
Abel's animal sacrifice pleased God simply because it involved death and blood.
Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin, the Bible says. So without the blood you can not be saved.
Supposing Cain had realised this and had stolen one of Abel's sheep and sacrificed it.
Abel, totally pissed at his brother, murders him.
Abel is slung out of Eden, bearing the mark of Abel.
He goes and lives with the people in the land of Nod.
Where the fuck did they come from?
Oh, Kent, you can't possibly imagine how pleased I am by the fact that you are locked away. It's too bad it will only be for another 8 years or so. But don't worry. If you are correct about christianity, you still have hell to look forward to.
Let me see . . . Oh, I think I get it. You commit a dreadful sin, like eating a shrimp, and the only way to get remission is to kill your goat, or your son, or your daughter, or some other poor fucker. Then God will forgive you, and you will end up in Heaven.
But if instead you do some good works, like saving the world from famine, God won't give a damn, and you'll go to hell.
Makes sense to me.
Whew. That's out of the way then.
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Kent Hovind has told the truth.
World financial markets, already vulnerable, have been thrown into even greater turmoil by this unexpected turn of events.
President Bush has so far been unavailable for comment. However, he's believed to be as stunned as the rest of us.
We'll have more on this developing, and quite astonishing, story as we get it.
BLOOD FOR THE BL-
No.
Sorry. This one's too easy. This is far too obvious. This is the perfect setup for this joke but I can't in good faith put that punchline there. It just doesn't feel right.
Fuck you, Hovind. Fuck you for ruining that line for me forever.
CHRISTIANITY: THE ULTIMATE EMO RELIGION.
(Normally, I don't make emo cracks. But statistics show it to be true.)
The purpose of the sacrifice was to have the sacrifice take our sin.
Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin, the Bible says
Yeah, but why?
The only thing He is looking for is the blood.
What does he want the blood for? Would he settle for a nice hot cup of tea? How about a bottle of tomato sauce? That's kinda like blood.
What a gruesome picture you have of God. Sheesh, issues much?
"Abel's animal sacrifice pleased God simply because it involved death and blood."
Jeesh, someone should just get God Wolfenstein or Counterstrike or something.
Can't believe we hear this from a guy who says "a god who created the species through evolution would be an evil, stupid god", cause of all the death required for the natural selection thing.
Can't believe we hear this from a religion that accuses satanists of supposedly performing blood-rituals and the like. WHO exactly is performing these?
I would fully expect a "savior", like that Yeshua fellow in the sequel, to save his folks from a god like that.
But I don't subscribe to that god anyway, so I couldn't care less where he gets his blood.
OT queer...not a Jew, not a Christian. Zionist Goy?
Why does'nt Slaanesh get the same free publicity from Fundies like Kent Hovind...?
These guys must fap uncontrollably whenever an Ed Gein or Jeff Dahmer shows up, like it may be the Second Coming. (OK, pun intended)
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The Big Guy's here with us in the audience tonight, ladies and germs...come on, G, stand up and take a bow - Lucie, shine the light on my man there...Oh, I see...He IS the light, haha. These are the jokes, folks. Well God, I hear ya like death so much - take my brother. Please. {baDOOMP!}
Can we sacrifice you to God? Sort of like two birds with one stone...
How come God doesn't LOVE women, then? We shed blood each and every month. Over one lifetime, that is one huge vat of blood for your blood-hungry god, Kenny.
Hmm. A whole bunch of excess money and nothing to do with it. I could give it to churches and religious leaders, but then there's causes towards making gruesome late-term abortions legal.
Well, seeing as how God loves blood and gore...
It would be nice to think that Kent has for once in his life spoken the truth and blown the whistle on his stupid death cult.
But no. As always Kent is wrong and proudly wearing his ignorance of just about everything on his sleeve. Leviticus 2 is about nothing but the proper way to sacrifice fruit and vegetables to God (I guess he needs his 5-a-day to stay regular same as everyone else).
Also there's Leviticus 6:15 (which remember is supposedly God dictating directly to Moses), "The priest is to take a handful of fine flour and oil together with all the incense on the grain offering, and burn the memorial portion on the altar as an aroma pleasing to the Lord."
As the old saw goes, what do you call a Christian who has actually read the bible? An atheist.
God, the love child of Hitler and Dracula.
Hovind, why don't you pay for your sin now and cut your own fucking head off?
Abel's animal sacrifice pleased God simply because it involved death and blood. And that's the only thing that will pay for our sin. The purpose of the sacrifice was to have the sacrifice take our sin. God is not interested in your work to pay for your sin. It requires death. In a way, you're right. in most Pagan religions, blood represented the God aspect. The God sacrifices Himself in the Fall so that the people of the world would be able to survive through the harsh Winter months. You Christians stole that when you came up with Jesus.Cain's offering of fruits and vegetables, as wonderful as it may have looked, was not impressive to God. Fruits and veggies, on the other hand, represent the Earth, or the Goddess aspect, and we ALL know that the Christian god can't stand ANY competition, especially of the female kind, and if I had given up the best of my fields and some misogynistic deity said that my offering "wasn't good enough", I'd be highly upset too. Maybe not to kill, like Cain, but I feel his pain.
Straight from the horses mouth, people! It doesn't matter what you do, good or evil, all that matters is death and the blood sacrifice! Hail sat- God!
Yeah, blood for the blood god. Your blood god loves killing, even infants:
And you worship this god that tells you to do these things?
This is an odd thing for Kent to say, he's a fundamentalist who believes you just give yourself to Jesus and believe. Heard him claim that's all that's neccesary several times, oh he's slammed works, Catholic dogma n'all, not to mention too much work and suggests lieing is out. Kent can't live in that theology.
This must be out of context or old-timey Jewish rules that Jesus absolved us white folk of. Or evidence Kent speaks outta both sides of his ass.
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