I understand what you are saying and I respect you and the arguments you have advanced on this forum but there are a lot of good people in hell. Heaven Is reached through Christ alone and without Christ there is only hell. It may not be fair because some people never even get the chance to hear about Jesus and some people are brainwashed into atheism but it is what it is.
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This is exactly the kind of thinking that made me reject religion. "It is what it is" huh? For all the talk about how atheists have no morals, the reality is that religious people have no morals.
Actually, reading that thread is a hoot. He's so indignant:
It also doesn't make sense that god would want to put good people into hell. You figure you would want to keep your good people on staff, so to say.
Like, oh, this guy cured world hunger, but he didn't believe in the zany woo woo stories about me, so he's fired (pun intended).
Another thing, the PhysOrg comment section has reduced into a fundie fight, I don't get it.
@Illuminatalie: "I love how you ignore the fact that a team of russian scientists actually found hell and heard the screams of the damned."
Heh.. that would be the team that Weekly World News reported on around 10 years ago, yes?
[EDIT]http://www.snopes.com/religion/wellhell.asp
"I understand what you are saying and I respect you and the arguments you have advanced on this forum but there are a lot of good people in hell. Heaven Is reached through Christ alone and without Christ there is only hell.
Note: the previous statements are based entirely within the unfounded presumptions of my religion, and may have no bearing in reality for all that any among us may know. Please, accept them with caution"
First part fixed.
"It may not be fair because some people never even get the chance to hear about Jesus and some people are never successfully brainwashed into Christianity but it is what it is: a system that brings doubt to the very idea of the supposed fairness, wisdom, love, and virtue of the purported entity who set it up."
Finished.
"It may not be fair because some people never even get the chance to hear about Jesus and some people are brainwashed into atheism but it is what it is."
And you tolerate such a thing from your deity? Amazing. I believe Lucifer had the right idea...
Why would a perfect, good and loving God inflict an unfair system upon his special creations?
some people are brainwashed into atheism
In all my life I have met less than a handful of atheist who did not come to the conclusion that there was no gods on their own. Most of us atheist don't need to be brainwashed, religion does a good job of exposing itself for what it is.... Fairy tales
Edit: @ Dark Lord Prime
I'm thinking this is a poe. "Bringer of Light" is "Lucifer" in Latin.
Either this guy is a really clever fake, or he doesn't know what his user name means.
Read the rest of his posts on that board, he's not a poe, just a very stubborn fundie. He's no more demented than Little Nipper, ShieldOfFaith, AV1611, T&T, or the rest of them. I thought the same thing about his name though, I'm like, is he that stupid not to know that is traditionally the devil's name?
I am Annatar, bringer of gifts.
I understand what you are saying and I respect you, but I just have to hit people on the head with a hammer. It may not be fair because some people will get hit by the hammer and others won't, but it is what it is.
"Bringer-of-light"? Lucifer?
I love how you ignore the fact that a team of russian scientists actually found hell and heard the screams of the damned
Right, and recently a Norwegian F-16 flight flew into a thunderstorm and saw Thor with his hammer.
I love how fundies actually believe such a ridiculous story as "Russians dig into Hell". Geezus Christ on a trabant.
If "It may not be fair because some people never even get the chance to hear about Jesus" stands, then your entire religion is a perverse revenge fantasy: condemning good people to hell despite the fact that the could NEVER have the opportunity of salvation is an abomination and an obscenity: if you follow such a god and religion then you too are as disgusting.
"Christian Justice" in action. Proof that God is an egotistical asshole.
Ah so God does not punish the wicked, merely the unpopular. God is a cheerleader from a crappy teen show...
Good thing I don't believe that your God exists. Else I would be creating some sort of giant super monster to fight him...
Your doctrine of faith lets murderers and rapists into heaven while letting Gandhi burn in hell.
i remember asking a born-again about going to hell. I asked if a person devoted his/her life and alleviated much suffering but was not a Christian would that person go to hell? Answer: yes. We all know the hate group KKK(definitely fundie). Burning a cross (represents light of Christ) in a yard to terrorize people they regard as sub-human isn't true Christian behavior, imo. I asked if they would go to heaven because they are Christian bible believing people and the answer was "yes." Makes ya want to vomit.
i'll stay pagan, thank you.
"Heaven" is a place for sheep.
"Nirvana" is the attainment of individual enlightenment. If Siddhartha Gotama could do it, chances are very good that other people can as well.
Measure what you think you have with your empty promises, against what the wiser humans of the world have conceived.
Bringer of lLight? I think not.
You have a warped sense of justice that you project out onto your God. In effect, you are creating the ineffible in your own far from perfect image.
Will he forgive you for this? If he is just, most likely yes. But it is still sinful to get your jollies out of trying to scare impressionable and ignorant people, who look for help, reassurance and comfort. It suggests that you consider yourself superior and proud as the Pharisee.
So I say: look to yourself and your own imperfections before you start jusdging other for God. Leave it to him. He knows best, if he exists. Does the expression 'motes and beams' mean anything to you?
I hate to pull a Godwin, but I think it's appropriate in this case: Christians like this guy sound more like brainwashed Germans rallying around Hitler than the divine fighters of truth they claims themselves to be. Any leader who only cares about being worshiped, completely indifferent to social justice, is not someone I'd want to support.
"I understand what you are saying"
Really??? (cocks head to one side like a collie)
"and I respect you and the arguments you have advanced on this forum"
Not really.
"but"
See?
"there are a lot of good people in hell."
Name three personally known by you to be there by empirical evidence and not by deduction. Explain how your God could be just and merciful and still let this happen. OR, define "merciful" in a way that does not imply some kind of direct action in the form of mercy.
"Heaven Is reached through Christ alone and without Christ there is only hell."
It's written down, so it must be true? Ditto for the Russians drilling into Hell? Okay, your father was a hamster.
"It may not be fair because some people never even get the chance to hear about Jesus and some people are brainwashed into atheism but it is what it is."
And you know this because you were born knowing it and not because someone drummed it into your sawdust-filled head over and over and over and over....
FAIL!
brainwashed with logic and reason, as opposed to being brainwashed with fairies, unicorns, and invisible space daddy's
I'm going to go around houses at odd hours of the day, knock on the door, and go, "Have you lost Christ yet?" now.
@Pepupapi: ROTFLMAO!!!! image
@cronenurse: smart daughter you got there ^^
@Panz: hmmmm, roast babies image
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