Is there really such a thing as an utterly authentic atheist? I think so. I have a dreadful feeling that there exists a sort of human sub-species who have lost their spiritual capacity completely. These authentic atheists do not profess belief in God, nor even disbelief. Instead they seem entirely deaf to such ideas. They do not hate the Church or say the Bible is a fairy tale. They do not spit out bigoted remarks that blame the Pope for the holocaust or missionaries for murder. They do not attack the arguments for the existence of God, say the universe is random, or call Rick Warren a simpleton. They do not rage against God, any more than someone born blind has dreams in color. These are the authentic atheists. They plod through life eating, working, shopping, breeding and sleeping, and God never seems to flit across their consciousness. Members of this sub-species may be sparkling sophisticates or ill-bred boors. They may be the decent and moral folks next door, or they could be despicable murderers. In a frightful way, it doesn’t matter. If they exist, perhaps they have bred and spread like the alien bodysnatchers, and exist in our midst like spiritual zombies—indistinguishable in the teeming mass of humanity except to those few who see them and tremble.
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perhaps they have bred and spread like the alien bodysnatchers
Your getting dangerously close to the truth, be very careful. Tell no one what you know.
"They plod through life eating, working, shopping, breeding and sleeping..."
"...may be sparkling sophisticates or ill-bred boors. They may be the decent and moral folks next door, or they could be despicable murderers."
Congratulations, you just described all of humanity.
"They do not rage against God, any more than someone born blind has dreams in color. These are the authentic atheists. They plod through life eating, working, shopping, breeding and sleeping, and God never seems to flit across their consciousness ."
The lucky, lucky bastards!
Which paragon of secularity do they live in, these fortunate folks who are not bombarded daily with religious nonsense, or lambasted for not sharing an imaginary friend with the majority?
They do not hate the Church or say the Bible is a fairy tale. They do not spit out bigoted remarks that blame the Pope for the holocaust or missionaries for murder. They do not attack the arguments for the existence of God, say the universe is random, or call Rick Warren a simpleton. They do not rage against God, any more than someone born blind has dreams in color. These are the authentic atheists. They plod through life eating, working, shopping, breeding and sleeping, and God never seems to flit across their consciousness.
Isn't that what you want? Atheists that never challenge your beliefs and just leave you to your fantasies? I swear, you fundies will find a reason to complain about ANYTHING. I'd pay $1 million if I could have fundies just mind their own business like these "authentic" atheists.
"lurch", "lurch".
"Weez cum fur yur brianz."
Damn, there's none here,someone has already eaten them. Must be the Zombie Jesus.
@ whatever
I don't know so much. Outside this place and talk.origins, where all I'm doing is laughing at loonies, thoughts or speech about gods don't enter my life hardly at all. I have friends and colleagues who are all religions and none, but they don't bring it up unless I ask. In fact, I have a number of friends, let alone colleagues, I don't know what their beliefs are at all.
@Leighton Buzzard
But you visit FSTDT every day, just like I do... so you are in a World where God's existence or non-existence is constantly on the table. The same goes for everyone who visits here regularly.
Think back to childhood. If you are in the UK (which I suspect you are... correct me if I'm wrong) then Christianity would have been all around you at school. That was certainly the case at my primary school. The headmaster was a strict fundy from the Western Isles, and he used to subject us to loads of Bible readings and prayers every Monday during assembly. I didn't mind. I found the stories enjoyable, but I didn't really give much personal consideration to the reality of God in my own personal life at that time. However, most people do at some time or other.
Depends what you mean by "spiritual". You could take it to mean, whatever isn't covered by daily needs, or whatever is beyond the material. Here are some examples of these things: Love, art, pleasure, empathy, solidarity, compassion. Are there people who are entirely without these? If there are, then it's a tragedy, as this guy says. But we have to ascribe that tragedy, as always, to a specific social and systemic cause, to the totality.
And it's a fallacy, a false dichotomy, to say that one must either be a base materialist, with no notion of the finer and nobler things in life, or else a blindly obedient and ignorant theist, in thrall to some dogma or other. What about the existentialists? Distrustful of science and dogmatic materialism, but carving out their own meaning in life? It's nonsense to suggest that one must either be in thrall to some hierarchy, or spiritually empty. And by "spiritual" I don't mean so much belief in a spirit, as an appreciation that there is more to life than materialism, like an appreciation of the qualitative, experiential, emotional richness of life, experienced through love and art and compassion and solidarity.
"I have a dreadful feeling that there exists a sort of human sub-species who have lost their spiritual capacity completely. They may be the decent and moral folks next door, or they could be despicable murderers. In a frightful way, it doesn’t matter. If they exist, perhaps they have bred and spread like the alien bodysnatchers, and exist in our midst like spiritual zombiesindistinguishable in the teeming mass of humanity except to those few who see them and tremble."
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Those authentic atheists like you say, are people that see your worldview as totally cut out from reality, and don't even try to argue with your sorry deluded ass.
Atheists activists still have hopes for you. Or try not to let you fuck up the world depending in which country they live.
Congratulations, Dwight, you've just described agnostics .
Well, except for the sub-human part. For that, I would like to say on behalf of my fellow agnostics... Fuck you with rusty razors.
Can't tell if he's dehumanizing agnostics, apatheists or both.
If it's the first, that offends me personally.
If it's the second, that's just as offensive.
Either way, this is just... just...
You should be trembling.
By "lost their spiritual capacity" I think you're referring to our having moved beyond the need for imaginary friends.
Just because I don't come in my pants musing about a special relationship with a diety, doesn't mean I "plod through life." It is amusing that examples of "plodding through life" which you give are all thing which almost everyone, atheist or Christian, does routinely.
Yes, Dwight, I DO exist. Tremble if you must.
why are you afraid of me?
Though I do not really count.. I became an atheist the old fashioned way, one day I just decided it was all bullshit and moved on.
First of all i dont hate fundys. It hurts that they have thrown away part of their mind and human potental for their belief system which dosent account for current reality.
These people live in fantisy land. To fight poverty they will hold "spiritual warfare" sessions to cast the"demons of poverty" out of a poor area then they will blame the victums usualy saying they are lasy. Thus they get to feel like they have done somthing without actually getting their hands dirty with those people.
I am not an athiest.
I am both gay and jewish.
I have recieved many hate filled harangues about being and have been acused of many hienous things. I can feel the hate comming off of these people. The opposite occurs when they find out that i am jewish, some times act like they are almost in awe of me and i am acorded respect respect i havent earned. Both of these things.
Make me an outaider with them. These are invisible traits and dont. E
Need to be spoken about any but i have to be myself.
This is hilarious. He's actually scared, terrified even, that there are people out there who don't believe in God or the supernatural or just don't give the idea any significant thought either way. Fundies just cannot accept the reality that there are people who believe that there's nothing beyond this world and live their lives accordingly.
If they exist, perhaps they have bred and spread like the alien bodysnatchers, and exist in our midst like spiritual zombiesindistinguishable in the teeming mass of humanity except to those few who see them and tremble.
It's easy to tell us apart -- if you have the special glasses.
"They plod through life eating, working, shopping, breeding and sleeping, and God never seems to flit across their consciousness."
You know, if it wasn't for people mentioning this "god" person, the idea just wouldn't flit across my conciousness at all...
"They do not attack the arguments for the existence of God, say the universe is random, or call Rick Warren a simpleton."
If the arguments are flawed and people are trying to use them to justify things that would affect others, then yes... I do attack them.
The universe is random, no matter what religious belief you have, and if you try to claim otherwise in said arguments, I will point it out to you.
Rick Warren is a simpleton... whenever he says something fucking stupid, I'll call him out on it.
These authentic Scrooges do not profess belief in Santa Claus, nor even disbelief. Instead they seem entirely deaf to such ideas. They do not hate Christmas or say the Jesus' birth is a fairy tale. They do not spit out bigoted remarks that blame Santa for running over Grandma with his reindeer or Macy's for tying up 34th Street on Thanksgiving waiting for his fat ass to show up. They do not attack the arguments for the existence of Santa Claus, say Christmas presents are random, or call Tim Allen a simpleton for playing Santa Claus. They do not rage against Santa, any more than someone born blind has dreams in color. These are the authentic Scrooges. They plod through life eating, working, shopping, breeding and sleeping, and Santa never seems to flit across their consciousness.
Don't get me started on the Easter Bunny!
So, " I think atheists are defined as being against my god" stupidity #279,031,278
*yawn*
P.S> No, we make fun of you because you are making stupid claims.
One of these days I have to get someone to explain to me what "spiritual" means.
What Dwight is overlooking is that the overwhelming majority of atheists were born and raised theists. They're atheists by choice.
I've got to say, that's a pretty exciting worldview he's got there. When I look around, I just see normal people, but when Dwight here looks around, he's constantly on the lookout for AUTHENTIC ATHEISTS! *scare chord*
You lost me when you called me sub-human. I personally feel I have a higher morality than the religious because I do what right not because of an eternal reward or punishment, but because it's the right thing to do.
You, sir, are a moron.
@ whatever some pages ago:
Yeah, but I chose to come here, for the lulz. I don't have to. Yes, I am in UKia, but I didn't get any doses of Christianity at school ... could have been due to there being loads of Jewish kids like me there, though :-) (We didn't really get much religion at all - far too many faiths in Norf Lahndan to complicate matters in that regard. Much easier to ignore it!).
@Leighton Buzzard
I should have mentioned it was the early to mid 1970s, and our school had a strong overall Christian character. I just accepted it as the norm at that time. It may have been something to do with our Hebridean headmaster. There was even something called "Scripture Union", which was mostly attended by girls. I have no idea what Scripture Union entailed, but I would imagine it no longer exists for legal reasons.
@Doubting Thomas
"So would it make you feel better if all atheists were vocally attacking the church and the idea of God?"
Of course it would. Fundies love to feed this kind of stuff to their massive persecution complex.
Huh-huh-huh-huh...
...Dwight Short pecker .
Heh-heh-heh-heh, yeah, heh-heh-heh; what a Choad !
[/"Beavis and Butthead"] X3
@Pilotess
"Spiritual Zombie and proud!"
So am I. Saeko Busujima can grab hold of my 'Katana' and get rough with me anytime! [/"Highschool of the Dead"; related hentai doujinshi by '(Fei) Maidoll'] :9
@Jordab the Folf
Someone here hasn't been to the Doug Piranha Institute of (Viciously) Applied Sarcasm, and properly schooled in the use of Dramatic Irony, Metaphor, Bathos, Puns, Parody, Litotes, and... Satire.
...oh, and having her head nailed to the floor, by Dinsdale Piranha. >:D
[/Monty Python]
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