What is conservative about advocating for same-sex marriage?
I can’t think of an issue that more clearly defines what a conservative is than this one.
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"What is conservative about advocating for same-sex marriage?"
It's about the government not interfering to tell citizens what they can't do. Or have you forgotten that that's what conservatism is supposed to be about?
Child sacrifice, you say? Like the cruel, malicious joke, God, according to your Judeo-Christian holy book, played on Abraham: goading him into killing his son, only to stop him at the final moment (after he had reached the state of clinical insanity) to go: haha, gotcha?
Mmhm. It's only "anti-conservative" to support gay marriage because "conservative" has come to mean opposing "big government" except when right wing fundamentalists think it's cool for the government to oppress people.
And since this is WND, I'm going to guess that by child sacrifice this guy is referring to the legalization of abortion. Unless he's comparing actual human sacrifice with the legal marriage of two adults. Which is actually possible since this is WND.
Oh so now it's not just the United States that was based on the bible, but now it's the entire Western civilization? Next they'll be claiming that all ancient cultures were based on the bible but some were corrupted by Satan and are no longer Christian, but retain the Christian ideals of murder & theft is bad, etc.
Conservatism: Keeping the government's nose out of people's business unless they're doing something I don't like.
I think you are confusing "conservative" with "Christian theocrat".
Believe it or not, there are "conservatives" in non-Christian countries!
Economically, it's very conservative. Think of all the revenue to be generated by hosting same sex weddings and everything associated with it. Plus, "It's Raining Men" by the Weather Girls will be ubiquitous.
And that's not even getting into the revenue generated by gay divorces.
...Funny, I thought most of Western civilization was based on ideas from the very, very pagan culture of Ancient Rome.
But hey, I'm sure Farah can show us in the Bible where God mentions representative government, capitalism, or even elected officials, right? I'm sure it's right in there with the bit about Jesus being pro-gun, white & conservative.
What is conservative about advocating a revolutionary republic?
I can’t think of an issue that more clearly defines what a conservative is than this one.
You should be sticking with tradition and submit to the rule of the English crown.
"The Conservative Political Action Conference is for conservatives not for people who seek to undermine the Judeo-Christian basis of Western civilization with one of the most radical ideas considered since child sacrifice."
You people really need to get a life. And that's coming from someone who used to play Dungeons & Dragons.
Radical Ideas in Human History since Child Sacrifice
And then there are those ideas like: evolution, monotheism, freedom of speech etc. All in all two people loving each other and spending their lives together, being protected under equal laws just doesn't seem so radical.
I think you'll find that the renaissance, which dragged what was to become modern urban life, literature, art, society, science and politics out of the medieval era, was based on ancient pagan Greek and Roman culture, art and philosophy. Thank goodness the Muslims preserved much of it for us eh, praise be to Allah!
Also, what Mister Spak said!
Since your god ordered a child sacrifice twice (Abraham and Jeptha), and decreed that any unruley child should be stoned at the gates of the city, and sent two bears to kill 42 children for calling one of your prophets "Baldy"....what exactly was the point you were trying to make again?
Since your god ordered a child sacrifice twice (Abraham and Jeptha), and decreed that any unruley child should be stoned at the gates of the city, and sent two bears to kill 42 children for calling one of your prophets "Baldy"....what exactly was the point you were trying to make again?
What is conservative about same-sex marriages? i) government butting out of people's business and ii) the redressing of proved grievances. Perhaps Mr Farah should read Sir Robert Peel if he wants to know what conservatism is though, frankly, I think he's happier with being a reactionary. The trouble is that he confuses the two.
"I can’t think of an issue that more clearly defines what a conservative is than this one."
If you mean a knee-jerk, desperately wanting to be told what to think by a self-serving authority figure, I guess I have to agree with you on that point.
Two consenting adults getting married is more radical than the Holocaust? More radical than dropping the atomic bomb? More radical than sending a man to the freaking Moon? Clearly you live such a sheltered life that you've lost all perspective. Compared to the radical evil that is the Holocaust, the radical power and shifting of politics that was caused by the atom bomb, and the radical pushing of human boundaries that is the Moon landing gay marriage is doesn't even register on the scale.
What is conservative about advocating for same-sex marriage?
How about small government. Geez, I shouldn't have to spell out your own talking points for you.
> I can’t think of an issue that more clearly defines what a conservative is than this one.
Yes. Politicians obviously shouldn't concern themselves with questions that actually maintain the society as a whole and implement measures that improve the quality of life.
Instead, they should focus on making sure this issue is never implemented.
Which is done by doing nothing.
The rest of the time? You do nothing.
Therefore, the highest goal of a Conservative is to listen to every issue that comes their way and patiently tell everyone that Nothing Can Be Done About It.
The Judeo-Christian basis is just that, a basis. It is not the be all and end all of western civilization. If it were you would have a Judeo/Christian Sharia.
Conservatism of the type that Mr. Farah has in mind is stagnation. And stagnation is what lead directly to disintegration of a society.
The reference to child sacrifice is infantile hyperbole. (Pun intended)
But Jephtha did sacrifice his young daughter because of the vow he made to YHVH.
"one of the most radical ideas considered since child sacrifice"
You will find that child sacrifice, where it was practiced was a conservative idea, to question and stop the practice is a liberal progressive concept. Then there's slavery, mutiple wife marriage, totally male-centric societies, racial discriminations to the point of genocide, Royal rule and no freedoms.: All conservative ideaolgy.
Ah. Well, if you consider small government and libertarian thought to be conservative...
The government has no business saying they cannot marry... and what makes it your business in the first place?
You are absolutely right.
We need to return to good solid Biblical values, where marriage is between one man, 700 wives, and 400 concubines.
"I can’t think of an issue that more clearly defines what a conservative is than this one."
okay, you apply that definition, and watch conservatives disappear.
1. Western civilization isn't just "Judeo-Christian". It's more like "Judeo-Christian" mixedd with Classical Greece and Rome.
Let's see what's conservative about it?
"Liberal" and "Conservative" have both degenerated into terms that mean "I'm with this team" or "I'm with that team" and the teams are defined by opposing what the other guy supports, and worse the most important issues (Chagos, due process, anti-usury legislation, and the way the elite of both always bails out the wealthiest so it can "trickle down" instead of bailing out common Americans so they can pay their bills and still help the rich make money) they(except token opposition on both sides) agree on but they manage to still be polarized because these issues are minimized in the media. Supporting small government and using the government to force people to be 'moral' in their personal lives or to discriminate based on prejudice are logically so far apart.
With liberals, you want tolerance? Let people smoke in bars, let people have big drinks. If you want to make a point to people that these things are unhealthy levy a tax and require licensing for facilities that allow smoking granted when there are already enough non-smoking places to adequately accommodate the preference of avoiding smoke.
Though I'm no smoker and this issue is tiny to me compared to most other issues, so I identify as a liberal but the "let people live as they want" message would be easier to sell if we were more consistent.
"Let people smoke in bars, let people have big drinks."
The major difference is that smoking harms other people. You're perfectly free to smoke in your own home, where pretty much anyone entering accepts that it's your property and that you can do what you like on it. But smoking in public can harm others without them being aware of it. If smoking only harmed yourself, I imagine there would be far fewer states and cities banning it in public.
With the large drink ban in NYC, even I think it's a bit much, and it seems like there's too many loopholes.
Well historically marriage is, in essence, the glue that holds together the family unit so that the parents can provide the best possible environment for their children. It's perfectly conservative to want to uphold this tradition.
There's a ray of hope though, if the invariably sterile (for men anyway) marriages between homosexuals gain widespread approval it might soon be legal for nerds to marry their dakimakura body pillow and bronies to marry their fluttershy plushie. I'm sure FSTDT's atheists are excited at this prospect...
^^ Well, this is OT but I'll indulge you:
"You really should try to be more subtle"
Subtlety is wasted on Aspies.
"and craft some new, more creative insults"
You mean like "fucknozzle", "douchcanoe", "dickbag" or the other wacky insults that liberals/"social progressives" come up with, and which seem to be created with Mad Libs? Simple things entertain simple minds I guess...
Nope, still not amused. Sorry, but you really seem to be failing at rustling any jimmies. I appreciate the effort, though.
(ProfessorJimboSpice)
Oh, please . Like I would ever marry a Fluttershy plushie.
*beat*
If anything, I'd be marrying Dr. Whooves .
*laughs* Problem, Professor?
@ProfessorJimboSpice
I'll do you one better. The artist Inuki has dakimakura pony pillows. Had Inthe cash I'd have a two sided royal orgy pillow, Celestia the clever mix on one side the the Elizabethan bawd Luna on the other.
Put that in your troll pipe and smoke it.
@Da Rat Bastid
You got the vinyl figure yet?
"Subtlety is wasted on Aspies".
So this is my answer... Have a nice day! Lots of love and I hope anything you do goes right.
^ Hammocks, eh? Have you ever suffered in your entire life, oh smug one? Ever wondered where your next meal was coming from, or whether you'd have a roof over your head next month? And before you sneer "get a job, hippie", I've been trying for over a year... nothing. I guess I'm just supposed to starve quietly in a corner somewhere so the real people (rich people) don't have to look at a subhuman!
Try thinking of someone besides yourself and your rich friends for a second, you little asshole! Or would that be too much trouble?!
“What is conservative about advocating for same-sex marriage?”
odd that the people who preach ‘smaller government’ all the time think it’s the government’s purpose to regulate non-commercial transactions such as two people getting it on.
My attitude towards gay sex MIGHT be influenced by my being in an interracial relationship which other small-government hypocrites also want to regulate. Look, it’s our sex, you’re not invited, go suckstart a shotgun.
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