Liberty is not good when it is the liberty to defy God.
Also, the Nazis were not Christians they were Nordic pagans.
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Wow, so you explicitly promote theocracy.
Also, even tho several leading Nazis were not Christian, most of the people that took the ideology and ran with it were. Not to mention the Hitler oath.
Liberty is not good when it is the liberty to defy God.
I am so glad you agree with me. Now, bow down before Thor before He smite thee with His mighty hammer
Also, the Nazis were not Christians they were Nordic pagans.
If only this were true
Only Himmler and few of his inner circle SS cronies were in on that bit of psychotic fun, the rest were as christian and traditional as you could imagine.
Also, defying your deitys sick, retarded rules is not a liberty for any decent human being, it`s a duty.
You know the depiction of Nazis in movies, novels, comics and video games is not necessarily an accurate one, don’t you?
Hitler didn’t work together with Rasputin to bring Hellboy to Earth, for example.
Haven't read Mein Kampf , have you, douchelord?
“I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of
“And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his
“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.”
Then there was the little matter of 'Gott Mitt Uns' being inscribed on all manner of Nazi Memorabilia.
Check and mate. Come back when you have a better grasp on basic history. Not the bullshit your church feeds, you either. Actual recorded history .
Some of the Nazis dabbled in everything from various forms of Paganism to eastern religious principles, but those beliefs didn't make up the core of the Nazism.
Christianity did.
"Also, the Nazis were not Christians they were Nordic pagans."
'Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country] ... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity ... We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the pressin short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... [few] years.'
-The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 19221939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pp. 871872.
They were Christians carrying other myths and traditional legends.
Once you believe in Adam and Eve, Exodus, Noahs Ark and such how can you belittle the other myths as unbelievable? Packing Christianity with all the other God Myths is still pretty common "Zeus was just another name for God, y'all".
All evidence points to ol' Dolfy and some of his staff being very Christian with an open mind to Nordic Myth AS WELL.
Again: You yanks are all over the place with the beliefs in supernatural things not in the Bible, stop pretending.
@tfaddict:
Nothing in particular, it looks just wrong with the ph if you are used to reading it in the other spelling.
And you don't want to open yourself to "arguments" like "Why should I believe these quotes if they cannot even get the name right!?"
Liberty is not good when it is the liberty to defy God.
Try reading the first few chapters of Genesis again. God gives humans free will and 'Israel' means 'wrestles with God.'
Also, the Nazis were not Christians they were Nordic pagans.
Then why did Hitler make fun of Nordic pagans?
"We will not allow mystically-minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something elsein any case something which has nothing to do with us."
Adolf Hitler, Nuremberg speech, 6 September 1938.
"It seems to be inexpressibly stupid to allow a revival of the cult of Odin/Wotan. Our old mythology of the gods was defunct, and incapable of revival, when Christianity came...the whole world of antiquity either followed philosophical systems on the one hand, or worshipped the gods. But in modern times it is undesirable that all humanity should make such a fool of itself."
Adolf Hitler, Hitler's HQ, 14 October 1941
As 'Salvage Hunter' Drew Pritchard would say about his now permanent section of a certain department store in Regent Street, London :
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'Liberty is good. Liberty works .' [/Gordon Gekko]
Must be proof that we're coming out of the recession, if the found & restored items he has on display there are selling so well, Liberty's changed his temporary position on the 4th Floor to permanent , so - perhaps based on the massive success of his TV series on the 'Quest' channel, he's defying the odds; and what he does is effectively the Ferengi 'religion': the 'Great Material Continuum' in it's purest form. Just ask celebrity chef Marco Pierre White and actor Jim Carrey, who are among Drew's more discerning clients.
...oh, and Drew owns Jesus:
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...your argument is invalid. And as he knows about history, and if he had such in stock, he'd be able to point out one simple but utterly argument-annihilating fact:
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And 'Gott Mit Uns' translates as 'God With Us'. If you thought that the Nazis weren't Christian, question: why didn't it say 'Odin Mit Uns'?
Drew's pet pooch Enzo has more intelligence than you, Batscat American't .
Hitler's religious beliefs were an incoherent mess of Germanic paganism and Christianity. The guy was kind of insane afterall. But to deny that the German people, the ones from whom Hitler derived his power, were Christian, is a revision of history that baffle even David Barton.
Wrong and wrong.
Granted, Himmler and the SS had a Nordic Pagan streak running through the group and Martin Bormann was rumored to be in favor of the total suppression of Christianity because he viewed it as a potential rival to the Nazi party, but Hitler and the rest of the party always claimed to be good Christians "fighting for the lord's work." Whether Hitler actually believed this or was simply using religion to manipulate the German population is hard to say.
@Doubting Thomas:
" If we scrap the First Amendment, there's nothing preventing Islam from becoming the official state religion. "
But they believe that the first amendment, properly understood, doesn't prevent christianity from becoming the official state religion. Being powerless to stop christianity, it is equally powerless to stop islam.
Liberty is not good when it is the liberty to defy God.
Well tough. It's in the Constitution. And more importantly, it's recognized as a universal right by almost every developed nation. And no, it's not because there's billions of atheists all over the world. It's because without freedom FROM religion, you can't have freedom OF religion.
Also, the Nazis were not Christians they were Nordic pagans.
The high ranking ones? They were Germanic Pagans with a mix of Christianity thrown in (they DID look for the Holy Grail after all). But the Nazi officers that actually performed the killings that the high ranking ones told them to? Christian. And their belief in the Bible didn't stop them from executing the orders any more than the high ranking Nazis' belief in Germanic Paganism stopped them from issuing the orders.
That there can be a liberty to defy God makes it sound as though a God doesn't actually exist in the first place. Which is fortuitous, because He doesn't.
Sounds like your slowly running out of drool.
"Liberty is not good when it is the liberty to"
Nope. The moment you say "Liberty to do any kind of X, except for... " then it ceases to be liberty and becomes a restriction on freedom, which is literally the exact opposite of liberty. You fundies seriously need to stop redefining words to mean the opposite of what they actually are. You don't get to redefine liberty to mean repression while keeping all the noble connotations of the former
Not all of the Nazi's were part of Himmler's little cult of nonsense. And all the other Christian apologists tell me that the Nazi's were atheists. Which is right, Bachmann?
If God exists, how the hell would anyone have the liberty to defy Him? I mean, He's omnipotent, isn't He? On the other hand, liberty is certainly good when we have the liberty to defy you and the 40,000 other religions when they all claim something different about God.
Also, the Nazis were not Christians they were Nordic pagans.
Too bad the outdated patriarchy, racism and superstition still remains.
Your tries to ignore anything bad that could be associated with Christianity belies your "good-guy" complex. I agree that some of the most unsavory things in acient history were done by Jews. I know some Jews aided Nazis (yes, there actually was a "Jewish police" who arrested Jews for the Nazis in the hope that they themselves would be exempt from the genocide). I know the modern State of Israel has done some pretty nasty things to the Palestines.yet I am a proud Jew, because I believe religion is a private experience. A close relationship with whatever deity you worship. Just because you don't worship God like I do that doesn't mean I'm going to hate you; that's childish.we should know better)... And yet I am a proud Jew because I know the world does not run on black vs. white morality. And I don't hate Christians despite the Nazis, despite the Inquisition that had Jews on its hit list, despite the Crusades that were campains of slaughter and rape in the name of God... because that's not all that Christianity is about.
Point 24 of the National Socialist Party platform:
"We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The good of the state before the good of the individual."
Reality stands in opposition to your unfounded beliefs.
According to the Bible, God already gave us "the liberty to defy God". If we never had that choice, there wouldn't have been a forbidden tree. Also, the Nazis were a mixture of a whole bunch of beliefs. Hitler used religion as a way to manipulate people, but he planned to eradicate it when he was done with it-he realized that Nazism and Christianity couldn't co-exist in the long term. He used religion as a propaganda tool and an excuse, not a motivation. Whether the majority of Nazi grunt soldiers or the people who ran the camps were Christian, I have no idea.
@Moose: I really, really hope you're making a joke and not trying to string together some kind of legitimate argument, because holy shit was that incomprehensible.
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