[After stating that being Catholic "does not make one less Christian."]
What I meant with the Martin Luther example was that surely, one should be judged on their moral character, and not their uninformed (and since we have no original copies, anyone is uninformed) views on certain books. I'm sure we can agree that Martin Luther, who was for all intensive purposes one of the first Nazi's, was no more of a christian that John Paul II.
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...for all intensive purposes...
That, alone, is enough to tell me that BlueShoe is a moron. Can't even get "for all intents and purposes" correct.
Huh, apparently YCodes don't work when submitting. Should've used HTML tags. Ah, well.
Jeebus: Yeah, I tend to gloss over incorrect usage of words and such and look for what the person was saying, and what I saw was "Martin Luther was the first Nazi, and neither he nor Pope John Paul II was Christian."
It is quite likely that Martin Luther's anti-semitism directly influenced Nazi ideology, but calling him the first Nazi is kind of like calling Moses the first Christian.
The primary difference being that Martin Luther actually existed, and Moses is just a fictional character in ancient mythology.
Catholics are definitely Christians, any attempt to say otherwise is nonsense. Martin Luther was anti-semitic and probably influenced Nazis and the holocaust. However for a member of a religion which sponsored multiple Inquisitions and Crusades resulting in the torture and death of many innocent Jews, Muslims, non-believers, and unorthodox Christians over hundreds of years to claim some kind of "moral highground" by calling him the "first nazi" is both hypocritical and ludicrous.
Martin Luther a proto-nazi? He was hugely anti-Semitic, but he wasn't a German nationalist. Martin Luther was a nutjob, beliving in witches and demons, hating Jews and wishing to crush reason and rational thinking, but both he and JPII were undeniably Christians.
My beliefs about the skyfairy are correct. No past worshipper of the skyfairy was right, so none of them were true skyfairians. The skyfairy will doom all false skyfairians to eternal damnation. In fact, most so called skyfairians are nazis!
*sigh*
Osiris: 17th century Christians were generally anti-semantic , you say? That would explain all the redefining and misinterpreting the Bible and stuff, not to mention using phrases like "intensive purposes."
Jar Jar: That's very funny. You're simply hilarious.
It has been noted by many that when fundamentalists want to play the numbers game, they always list Catholics as christians; however, when they want show that their own respective versions of christianity are superior, the Catholics are always viewed as false christians. I wish they would make up some kind of coherent doctrine, but given the fact that christianity and coherent doctrine are oxymorons, I’m not holding my breath.
Going right for the throat. Well, at least I know to ignore you from this point onward.
Also, it's "for all intents and purposes."
No, you dumbass, your fucked up version of Christianity probably wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Martin Luther. Jesus, you people really need to study the history of your own religion.
Martin Luther was a....Nazi? Wha...?
Dude, Luther was many things. Short. Homely. A rabble rouser. A dedicated reformer. Ultra -conservative Biblically speaking. Damn near fearless. A major pain in the ass. Grumpy, argumentative, and judgmental. Suffered from (actually) terminal bowel problems (likely making him a joy in those cloistered monasteries). Had no detectable sense of humor.
But a Nazi? Luther would have been horrified by the Nazi party, I can assure you. (Although he probably would not have had a problem with a Germanic hegemony, (he was a bit of a political Nationalist), the means by which the Nazis were persuing such a goal would have repulsed him.)
@Prager,
Yeah, they noticed that if you don't count the Catholics, you can't make the claim that Christianity is the "largest religion in the world," so they fudge their thinking on that point.
But anyway the whole thing is a moot point anyway, since Christianity probably isn't the largest religion in the world. Even counting the Catholics, it's really probably only the second largest. Number One is almost certainly the Buddhists, but the People's Republic of China will not allow any accurate statistics to be taken in their nation, officially insisting that no one in China is any religion at all. But there's probably at least 800 million to a billion Buddhists in there in reality.
And if Islam continues to grow at the rate it is now, it will surpass Christianity within the forseeable future, too.
And along with Mark Twain's old "three kinds of lies" adage, Meromorph, one should note that those are estimates :
(Sizes shown are approximate estimates, and are here mainly for the purpose of ordering the groups, not providing a definitive number. This list is sociological/statistical in perspective.)
That chart is somewhat mistaken (I'm not even going to talk about TheBlueShoe). First, most of the Japanese are "going through the motions" Shintoists or outright atheists.
Second, Buddhism had a huge impact in China, where's the love? Especially as you can be Buddhist and just about any other Eastern religion without conflict.
:)
So, who's Christian anyway, according to these crackpots?, moreover, how does Christianity exists, according to their logic?
I think it's a pretty big stretch to say Martin Luther influenced Nazism at all, even though he was anti-Semitic. A 400+ year gap is pretty huge. It's probably more accurate to say they got their anti-Semitism from a common source (basically, the unfortunate human tendency for a majority group to distrust a well-defined, non-assimilating minority group).
@Sandman: The Islam thing only works if that increasing population trend continues for a really long time. The Middle East will have enough problems when the oil runs out (or the First World switches to a non-oil economy) to make that unlikely. (Of course, if China becomes largely Islamic as it becomes more open to religion, then that would make a big difference.)
Confused?
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