I've always been fascinated by the fact that it's possible to calculate exactly when the sun will rise and set for a thousand years from now. Or as far out in the future you want to go.
How could that be if evolution is true?
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Because we evolved big brains that let us do hard sums to predict such things.
Well, some people have big brains. Others, it would seem, do not.
The gene pool needs more Chlorine.
Boz
I'm guessing he means if things are changing why not the Earths spin?
And he's kinda got a point as major Earthquakes have altered our spin slightly. Here's what he's missed though: Those caculations are based on everything we know about the rotation of the Earth and WILL be only presented as "subject to change".
Just like life on Earth.
Science, by the way, has been very accurate with predictions and religion has failed on every one.
So, you're assuming if evolution is true, it would literally shake the heavens into disarray?
This is an example FUCKING STUPID!
Ehhh....
cos... that's unrelated?
*facepalm*
Evolution!=astronomy.
Evolution is part of biology, which is the studie of living organisms.
Astronomy is the study of outer space.
Proof positive of the effectiveness of a religious education.
Although, hang on, come to think of it, if evolution is true, then how can something totally unrelated be true?
Hmmm! Pause for thought, perhaps I was being too hasty. Religious education, totally validated.
I hate to tell you this, but there was a time, in our four billion year history, when the earth spun faster and the moon hung closer and tides moved far, far inland across the naked land; when the tropical continent of Siberia made its way slowly across the sea of Japetus and thin coats of green began to cloak wet rock... A thousand years is nothing to predict in this time scale. You say "Gahd" fixed these intervals, e puro se muove...
I've always been fascinated by the fact that the light in my fridge comes on when I open the refrigerator door, and goes off again when I shut it.
How could that be if evolution is true?
Yeah, yeah, we know, tide goes in, tide goes out, therefore the bible is 100% accurate.
Come back when you have a real case
"I've always been fascinated by the fact that it's possible to calculate exactly when the sun will rise and set for a thousand years from now. Or as far out in the future you want to go."
How could that be if the bible is true?
Math therefore God!
Fucking idiot.
Maybe because it has absolutely nothing at all whatsoever to do with evolution? If humans didn't appear on this planet, the earth will still be spinning and wobbling on its axis, with the sun rising and setting at the same spots throughout the future until the sun turns into a red giant and envelops the earth.
I think Butler's point is more that evolution can only be true if the cosmos is inherently chaotic and random. The predictability of sunsets and sunrises, on the other hand, can only work if the cosmos is inherently orderly and predictable. In other words, because such a notable part of the world is so predictable, there's no place in it for something as unpredictable as evolution.
I think this explains a lot of why RTCs are so opposed to the concept of evolution, beyond just whether Genesis's first few sections should be regarded as literal truth. They can't stand the idea of a world that's even a little unpredictable, and the fact that evolution requires unpredictability (q.v. mutations) instantly makes it anathema.
I like grapes, therefore, desks can't be made of metals.
Makes more sense than you...
It's called science. The motion of the planets and stars hasn't been a big mystery for a few centuries now. Also, it has fuck-all to do with evolution, but then if you were smart enough to know that, you would be writing stupid shit on Baptist Board.
Becuse evolution is not "true".
Evolution is not a statement, it is a PROCESS.
Because the same "kind" (get it) of scientists that do astronomy are the same "kind" of scientist that figured out evolution. Namely....real scientist as opposed to "creation" scientist. Unlike xianity and their ilk who for centuries claimed the earth to be flat, real scientist figured out the planets, stars, gravity, motions of the objects in space, etc. Just like real scientist figured out the geological column, the fossils and their changes over time, etc. You know, REAL science, real work. Not counting animals two by two marching on an ark. If it were not for real science, you would not have a squat of an idea of how to figure out sunrises/sunsets, or especially tides and such. Perhaps the REAL scientist in evolutionary biology deserve a second look by you.......
If creation is true, how come apples have seeds in them?
Could it be that the two have absolutely fucking nothing to do with each other?
@Mystik Spiral, depending on how you pronounce the 'o' then either 'our hinge' or 'your hinge' rhymes with orange.
But as far as the OP is concerned, am I the only person who would like to challenge this fundie to tell us, down to the second, the exact time of sunrise and sunset every day for the next thousand years? I doubt he'd be able to do it beyond the end of the calendar he keeps on his desk.
>>Doubting Thomas
Maybe because it has absolutely nothing at all whatsoever to do with evolution? If humans didn't appear on this planet, the earth will still be spinning and wobbling on its axis, with the sun rising and setting at the same spots throughout the future until the sun turns into a red giant and envelops the earth. <<
That's not quite true. I can't predict what time of day it will be a thousand years from now, because of climate change.
If we melt the ice caps, a lot of water will go from the poles to the equator and the day will get longer by a second.
On a small scale, biology changes astronomy.
So the quote is even more full of fail.
@Raised by Horsesand goes off again when I shut it.
Damn! Yours does that, too?
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I wonder, if it's because they believe in magic, they can't conceive of any other way for people to behave. Everything is religion. Six hundred thirty is an almost incalculable number; no righteous person can count that high. Six thousand years encompasses the scope of the entire universe, a number only gods can deal with.Pffftt! A made up scam perpetrated by "so called 'scientist' ". (note, the plural s is beyond most of them.)
You are right, good sir. Now I see the error of my ways.
How have I not realized this obvious connection before?
LAchlan
I'm fascinated by the fact that we've evolved so much that some people can actually CHOOSE to be stupid.
You, sir or ma'am, have one the interwebz for the day!!
If we had sig lines here,,,this would be mine!!
Hey, you got me. Your absolutely right. If the sun rises and sets in a predictable manner then evolution can't be true.
Checkmate atheists!
And bagels have a hole in the middle of them. How could that be true if evolution were true?
Checkmate atheists!
Ok folks, this is on the 'Baptist Board', not a group known for rational, logical thought and an actual ability to comprehend reality.
Goddamn that's stupid.
Evolution is the study of biological life.
Unless you're saying the sun is biological?
Here's a hint you fucking knuckle-dragger: Astronomy and Biology are two separate fields of study.
Jesus fucking Christ! Why the fuck would Evolution explain the motion of planetary bodies? Who ever said it does?
"Skyknight
I think Butler's point is more that evolution can only be true if the cosmos is inherently chaotic and random. The predictability of sunsets and sunrises, on the other hand, can only work if the cosmos is inherently orderly and predictable. In other words, because such a notable part of the world is so predictable, there's no place in it for something as unpredictable as evolution"
Change may take millions or billions of years but it's not a perfect "orderly" universe since change is constant. This constant change is "predictable" because we can add the little variances up (ex:tug of planets to each other as they become closest in their orbits)to predict future variances.
Again, religion claims some abitrary constant or perfection that is not seen in reality.
No. No, I have been going around to the various non sequiturs that have been posted, and doing my best to present some acceptable version of them, all in the name of academic good sportsmanship.
This line of reasoning cannot be saved.
"I've always been fascinated by the fact that it's possible to calculate exactly when the sun will rise and set for a thousand years from now. Or as far out in the future you want to go."
Astronomy. Next question. Rainbows always fascinate me, even though I know precisely what forms them. Next question II.
"How could that be if evolution is true?"
For the 963 trillion x Graham's Number-th time, Biology =/= Cosmology/Astronomy.
So-called '(un)Intelligent Design' - and thus Biblical Creationism - has been conclusively proved (and in a court of law, no less) to be complete bullshit that has absolutely [i]no[/i] right to exist in the minds of all normal, sentient, [i]sane[/i] people, least of all the curricula of [i]all[/i] schools, colleges, universities etc in the US (and it'll never be legally allowed to exist in such). Next question III, and you've struck out, Tommy-boy.
Can't tell if really that stupid or trolling.
Boz, you have made my day with the chlorine comment. You win the internet.
Actually, no.
The authority that establishes leap second adjustments to the atomic clocks has a pretty good grip on how the Earth's rotation will change over the next six months or so, but beyond that it gets fuzzy.
So, WHATEVER you mean by connecting sunrise/sunset and evolution, your starting premise is ridiculously faulty, and all your conclusions must suffer from this ignorance.
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