Brad Pitt’s faith that God doesn’t exist wavers a little. He said, “I oscillate between agnosticism and atheism.” Sometimes he’s an atheist, other times he’s not. He said, “I don’t think anyone really knows. You’ll either find out or not when you get there, until then there’s no point thinking about it.”
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According to Extra, Mr. Pitt told the Hollywood Reporter that he “got brought up being told things were God’s way, and when things didn’t work out it was called God’s plan.” He also said, “I grew up being told God is going to take care of everything and it doesn’t always work out that way. And then you’re told ‘Well, it’s God’s will.’ I got my issues. Man, you don’t want to get me started.”
If I had a meal with Brad Pitt, I would tell him that he heard the wrong gospel — one that wrongly portrays God as some sort of divine butler, who will come running when we click our fingers. It doesn’t work like that, and he’s not the only one who ended up disillusioned by that spurious gospel. I would also ask him to let me take him through a few of the Ten Commandments to show him that he is in great danger. The applicable analogy would be a man who is standing on the edge of a plane, 10,000 feet above the ground. He refuses to put on a parachute because he thinks he will find out if he needs a parachute after he jumps, and until that time there’s no point in thinking about it. To begin thinking about it is the seed that can grow into understanding the truth that “Jesus Christ has abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.”
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So Jesus abolished death, but jumping from a plane without a parachute is gonna cause some natural selection?
Is ray putting on stupidity to be a fraud or is he actually so stupid he doesn't realise he's a fraud.
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven
As a hell-bound atheist, I will see you there ray!
The problem is that it is not certain if the drop exists, the parachute works, or the fall is anything to worry about.
Besides, isn't Gobs the one who's trying to help us out? Saying that bad occurrences are "part of his plan" is ridiculous because he can easily find a better plan. Isn't he omnipotent enough to make an omelet without having to crack eggs?
Bananas, in pyjamas, are coming down the stairs.
@Goomy pls
The lord works in mysterious ways...... Give him your baby son's foreskin or he sends you to eternal torture!!!
Brad Pitt: It is or it isn't. Whatever. I'm a Scientologist which means I might be crazier than you and I'm fucking tired after that last shoot so get the hell out of my trailer. Daddy needs a beer and 40 winks before his next box office coin toss.
@ Mike Litoris
Wait... WHAT?! Damn it man, you're harshing my kitten buzz.
Is it just me, or does Ray manage to get even worse at making analogies than before?
The applicable analogy would be a man who is standing on the edge of a plane, 10,000 feet above the ground. He refuses to put on a parachute because he thinks he will find out if he needs a parachute after he jumps, and until that time there’s no point in thinking about it.
No Ray, it’s more like sitting in a park on a nice day, when suddenly some madman appears and tries to convince me that we are really in a plane about to fall out of the sky. And ignoring everything I say to prove him that we are standing on firm ground he insists that he has to strap a parachute onto me. A parachute he made himself (out of knitting garn and paper) following the instructions of a 2000 years old manual, that is actually a translation of a translation of a translation of a set of manuals which also contradict each other all the time.
Brad Pitt sounds smarter than you, Ray. Then again, slime mold would probably sound smarter than you if it could talk.
@ Passerby
I think you're thinking of Tom Cruise. Brad Pitt is not a Scientologist.
Ray's hopeful that being agnostic means there's a slight chance that someone will turn into a raving lunatic fundie like him. Then he uses his go-to scare tactic of eternal hellfire.
Frankly I don't care if Brad Pitt is an atheist or not. Even if he turns into a fundie Christian it still doesn't offer any evidence that God exists.
John 15:7
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you
Sounds to me like this god is supposed to answer all prayers Ray. Or as you put it "come running when we click our fingers". Or are you saying that the gospel the wrong gospel?
If you tried to share a meal with Brad Pitt, one of you would end up leaving early. Either he'd tire of your relentless judgements and god-bothering and cut the meal short or he'd hand you your ass and you'd flee after being hit with a barrage of questions you have neither the ability or intellect to answer effectively. As the one at the table with all the talent, he wouldn't even break a sweat doing it.
Either way, Brad Pitt would leave smiling and giving less than a fuck about your butthurt. He'd also probably never mention it again, while you'd be Ken Hamming it up on every media and social media site who would listen to you. Then you'd get your brain-dead followers to post nasty things to/about him, which he also would give less than a fuck about.
The applicable analogy would be a man who is standing on the edge of a plane, 10,000 feet above the ground. He refuses to put on a parachute because he thinks he will find out if he needs a parachute after he jumps, and until that time there’s no point in thinking about it. To begin thinking about it is the seed that can grow into understanding the truth that “Jesus Christ has abolished death
If your sincere belief is that "Jesus abolished death" then the man in your analogy should reject the parachute as a sign of his faith. Also, the man in the plane can see how high up he is and it would be fairly reasonable for him to figure out he needs a parachute.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that you've somehow found the absolutely worst analogy possible and you did it without even trying. You're like the slime mold of bad analogies.
The applicable analogy would be a man who is standing on the sidewalk, while some moron keeps shoving a parachute at him, screaming about how he needs it to avoid falling 10,000 feet.
Actually, instead of one man offering a parachute, there's a dozen men, each with a different model of parachute, one with a monkey, two struggling with a piano and one woman dancing with a rose between her teeth.
Ray, you can preach all day long about how if your story is true, we're all in trouble. The same is true for any other religion. Until you can conjure some actual magic, I have no more reason to believe your warnings of "thinkers will burn" than I do the ramblings of Muslims that "thinkers will burn".
"If I had a meal with Brad Pitt, I would tell him that he heard the wrong gospel"
If I had a meal with bananaman I'd explain how bananas are a creationists worst nightmare.
Then I'd ask you if I should use a Jesus parachute or a Mohammed parachute.
I would also ask him to let me take him through a few of the Ten Commandments to show him that he is in great danger.
Why just a few Ray, why not all of them...from both sets.
“Jesus Christ has abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.”
The very, very lucrative funeral and cemetery industry would tend to dispute that point. Not to mention all those Wake and Memorial Service caterers. Then there's the Clergy that get revenue from services too.
http://www.pbs.org/pov/afamilyundertaking/photo_gallery_special_death.php#.VK6wZUwo6mQ
Here in State lies Uncle Ned,
We swear he's only mostly dead!
You'll see him later when you die,
Either down below or up on high.
And now that we've put that in your head,
Be a good little Peon until you're dead!
In Nabisco Biscuit et Philly Spittoon.
The applicable analogy
Aaaannd, another swing-'n'-a-miss by The Antianalogist. If I wasn't already an atheist, guys like Cray Ray would make me one.
Well, yeah, they did .
The applicable analogy would be a man who is standing on the edge of a plane, 10,000 feet above the ground. He refuses to put on a parachute because he thinks he will find out if he needs a parachute after he jumps, and until that time there’s no point in thinking about it.
A bogus analogy. He already has ample evidence of gravity and a clear idea of what will happen if he jumps. If you want an analogy, it's like a man who refuses to walk around with a piece of garlic around his neck to ward off vampires, and says "if vampires exist, I'll find out about it when they bite me".
one [gospel] that wrongly portrays God as some sort of divine butler, who will come running when we click our fingers.
God isn't even a divine EMT who comes running when we're bleeding to death. In fact, we can't see that He actually does anything at all. Neither can you. You just tell us we'll get taken care of in some afterlife that neither you nor the writers of the Gospels have ever seen.
"It doesn’t work like that, and he’s not the only one who ended up disillusioned by that spurious gospel. "
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The Bible is God's word, and, therefore, not a single statement can be doubted. Those that are disillusioned by a particular gospel are obviously false in their faith. Enjoy Hell Ray.
Brad Pitt’s faith that God doesn’t exist wavers a little. He said, “I oscillate between agnosticism and atheism.”
Oscillating between agnosticism and atheism doesn't exactly constitute a leap in faith.
It's kind of like the difference between "go away" and "fuck off!".
I care about Ray Comfort about as much as I care about Brad Pitt. That is to say, not much at all.
That aside, a God that puts his people in such a dangerous position in the first place is evil.
Do you even know what the word agnostic means, Ray? It's essentially a statement of doubt, really. Seriously, what a bibliophile!
“Jesus Christ has abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.”
People die every day. Your god is a failure.
> one that wrongly portrays God as some sort of divine butler, who will come running when we click our fingers.
Ah, so you're an atheist with respect to that particular god-image, are you?
> I would also ask him to let me take him through a few of the Ten Commandments to show him that he is in great danger
The Ten Commandments are pretty much a set of ideas that are generally a good idea anyway (don't be a dick to others, take regular breaks and don't work yourself to death). I fail to see how going through "a few" of them shows anyone to be in "great danger".
I'm not really a fan of Brad Pitt (in the sense that him being in something leaves me cold with respect to whether I want to watch it or not) but he always comes across as a good guy.
Anyway,
<i>No Ray, it’s more like sitting in a park on a nice day, when suddenly some madman appears and tries to convince me that we are really in a plane about to fall out of the sky. And ignoring everything I say to prove him that we are standing on firm ground he insists that he has to strap a parachute onto me. A parachute he made himself (out of knitting garn and paper) following the instructions of a 2000 years old manual, that is actually a translation of a translation of a translation of a set of manuals which also contradict each other all the time.</i>
Now, that sounds like a great idea for a Doctor Who episode.
Let's not forget what's most important to Ray-Money. Here's my revision:
The applicable analogy would be a man who is standing on the sidewalk, while some moron keeps trying to convince him he's up in the air and needs a special "safety device" that has never been proven to exist, and has never been proven to function in any way, screaming about how he needs this device to avoid falling 10,000 feet. He then proceeds to charge money for DVDs on "instructions" for this nonexistent, nonfunctional device, and asks for "donations" so he can convince other people that they also need this "safety" device.
I struggled a bit with the parachute in the analogy in that parachutes have been proven to actually exist, function, and there is a vast amount of evidence that they can actually save a person from harm. What Ray is peddling has never been proven to exist, and has never been proven to serve any useful function except that Ray can use it to extract money from people by convincing them they need it to save their "souls".
@EG:
Thanks. We can even expand it a bit: At the same time there are two other men, who agree with the first one that we are in a plane, but the three cannot agree on the model and when or even if it will be going down and on the design of the parachute. Meanwhile there is a bunch of other madmen who insist that we are really on board of a sinking boat, a leaking hot-air balloon or a small complimentary fruit-basket, respectively, and are getting in a mighty row about it.*
Then the Doctor appears and there is a lot of running.
*That somehow reminds me of the scene at the end of Feet Of Clay, when Dorfl the lightning-proof atheist golem is confronted by a bunch of angry priests and manages to turn them against each other.
The applicable analogy would be a man who is standing on the edge of a plane, 10,000 feet above the ground. He refuses to put on a parachute because he thinks he will find out if he needs a parachute after he jumps, and until that time there’s no point in thinking about it.
This would be a man who is blindfolded, senses no movement, feels no air rushing past him, hears no noise that you would get with a plane flying at 10,000 feet... and has been given no reason to believe he's standing on the edge of a plane except for someone screaming that he's on the edge of a plane, just believe him...
That is an HONEST analogy... but honesty is something you don't like, isn't it?
Says the guy who totally supports government funded stadium rental so folk can pray for rain (cause God likes to hear turnstiles click or some such shit)
After WW1 and 2 churchs were distressed at the absence of returning soldiers to the congregation. There's even a few movies about them harassing (in a kind way of course) the vets on their absence. The answer was simple, many lost their faith in the horrors of war.
Ray, on the other hand, has been talking shit for years, prewritten shit yet, most of it already for him to use and he's a millionaire. This by the way is a fact that should make most hard working Americans loose all faith too. Lying garbage like Ray living in luxury while people starve and die in wars.
"God is dead and the wars begun"
and the wars never fucking over.
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