The statue of liberty would have been holding a cross and the ten commandments if it were made by the founders of our Christian nation rather than those cut and run Frenchies.
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Um, it's the Statue of Liberty , not the Statue of Christianity . It is meant to represent freedom, not restrictions on freedom, such as the government endorsement of a single faith.
I am so damn tired of the fundie position that you can only be "free" by submitting to their version of Christ. Anyone else reminded of Orwell's "1984?" FREEDOM IS SLAVERY!
Mange de la merde, Américain fils de putain.
On a less angry-at-the-anglo-bastard note, the founders of your "Christian Nation" were, for the most part, not devoutly religious. They were deists, or even atheists (in a few cases). Besides, religion isn't exactly famous for promoting personal freedom.
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If you don't know what you're talking 'bout, shut up!
If you don't know what you're talking 'bout, shut up!
If you don't know what you're talking 'bout,
And you really want to shout it out,
If you don't know what you're talking 'bout, SHUT UP!
Unlikely, Dick. None of the 1st six U.S. presidents was anything like an orthodox Xian. Franklin was not an orthodox Xian. As uncomfortable as it is for you and your Fundie pals, remember that the vocal anti-Xian, Thomas Paine, was a U.S. founding father, too.
Also, you would do well to remember that "those cut and run Frenchies" saved our nation's butt in the revolutionary war.
Aw, no, this totally isn't the gift I wanted! Take it back, Frenchies! I wanted the one with the Cross, waaaaaahhh!
What part of "This nation is in no way founded on the Christian religion" don't you understand, dipshit? Thomas Jefferson himself said so, and a good number of the Founding Fathers were deists. Very few were anything resembling orthodox Christians.
"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology." [Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Woods]
Oh fuck the cross and enormously heavy stone tables, chip a few of her teeth out, take her tiara off and give her a 'kerchief, and a fucking pitchfork! And of course she'll need overalls, wellies, a squint, straw hanging out the corner of her mouth and she'll need to be cross eyed! Don't forget to make her girth more imposing than her height!
Richard23 - SHOW RESPECT you ungrateful bastard!!
If the "Frencies" had not helped during the Revolutionary War THERE WOULD BE NO US OF A!!! America would still be an English colony if it were not for them, so KISS THE "FRENCIES" FEET, Richard23!!!!
In all fairness, the French gave the USA the statue of liberty in 1886, decades after the last of the founding fathers had perished.
And Ted, the hatred of the French came from the White House after France had refused to cooperate in the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Bushco. started to slander the French with the cooperation of the media, especially FOX news. They also invented terms like 'Freedom Fries', and other inane stuff.
France responds to Richard:
Faihn, you dehn't laihk eet, weel jest take eet beck. See eef we evair get you a geeft anymahr.
(Bad accent, I know.)
"Ben Franklin would be rolling in his grave, can you imagine what he'd say about this country now?"
-my dad.
I think it'd be like something like, "WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU GUYS DO??!?! WE HAD THIS RUNNING GOOD AND THEN YOU DUMBASSES SCREWED IT UP!" but more...better, cause 'eloquent' is too big a word for this idiot...
mad dog:
I'm not sure that's strictly true. The French, at least since the early 20th century, have always had a rather standoffish foreign policy with regard to the rest of the West. They tend to do their own thing, and there's more than a little bitterness over the French language losing prestige to English on the world stage.
In the mind of the typical American redneck, this makes them enemies because they won't stand by us through thick and thin like our butt buddies in the UK will. When the French wouldn't back us up in Afghanistan and Iraq, the distrust boiled over into hatred.
Personally, the main problem I had with the French is that they stonewalled rather than coming out and saying "Look, we can't do this, we have our own interests to protect". I'm sure the reaction from our side would have been much the same, but at least France wouldn't have come off looking like double-dealing pantywaists.
Ben Franklin (who was adored by the French, particularly by the French women), Thomas Jefferson (who loved anything French and so would have certainly adored the Statue of Liberty), and George Washington (who was very close friends with Lafayette, a brave French general who played a very important role in the war) would disagree, moron.
Consider the forces at Yorktown, the decisive battle of the American War of Independence.
British - 9000 regulars
Americans - 8000 regulars, 3100 militia
French - ~8300 regulars, 29 warships
Consider also the Battle of the Chesapeake, which crucially stopped the British from reinforcing Yorktown.
British - 19 ships of the line
French - 24 ships of the line
Americans - 0 ships
Do you really think the Americans could have won without the French? And the French didn't do it out of love for liberty or any other high principle (this was prior to their own revolution), but simply out of a longstanding enmity with Britain.
If it weren't for those cut and run frenchies the American revolutionary war would have been lost. So you would be living under Britain, which has a state religion and who's monarchy is given authority by god.
Those frenchies robbed you of your theocracy. Well done france.
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