Evolutionary thinking would have us believe that nasal conchae developed over time through natural selection. However, there is no clear progression of fossilized transitional conchae to back up this claim; only fully-formed noses are in the rock record. There is not even a theoretically realistic mechanism that nature could implement--assuming a non-intelligent, non-volitional entity like the universe could implement anything at all--to generate such complex features. When we examine the nose, we can join Job in exclaiming, "Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the Lord hath wrought this
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I've seen transitional noses in the recovery room after rinoplasty, SO THERE you deviated septum you!
And while we're on the subject of utter nasal nonsense, why do gorillas have such big nostrils?
Because they have big fingers!
Put that in your fossil record and shove where the sun don't shine. IDiot.
there is no clear progression of fossilized transitional conchae to back up this claim
If they're made of cartilage, they won't fossilize. Many fossils have ridges where the cartilage may have been (e.g., dinosaurs); but if they formed in cartilage first and then evolved into bone - as we'd expect if they evolved from a support for smelling organs in cold-blooded animals to a method of conserving moisture in warm-blooded animals - they'd appear fully formed in the fossil record.
There is not even a theoretically realistic mechanism that nature could implement--assuming a non-intelligent, non-volitional entity like the universe could implement anything at all--to generate such complex features.
Taking a few chemically receptive cells on a flat surface where a nose might eventually evolve as a starting point: Increasing concavity and extrusion of the rim of the depression thus formed. Possible evolutionary benefits, acting at every single stage from the very first mutation onwards: increasing protection of the new sensory organs from exterior damage, thus allowing them to become more sensitive, and increasing internal surface area, thus allowing them to become more effective.
(Note, this is an unproven hypothesis - the purpose of this statement is only to illustrate plausibility, not to assert that this is the specific mechanism that actually brought the modern nose about)
Before noses were invented our ancestors had to walk around with their boogers in their hands. It proved embarassing by the time hand shaking became popular. That was when my great, great (etc.) grand uncle OokOok evoluted the first nose, and they have run in my family ever since.
Not only are the conchae of the nose made of largely cartilage which decays quickly, but they are REALLY thin and fragile. The skulls we use in my anatomy labs are only about a decade old and the conchae has virtually disappeared. There's enough left to suggest something was there, but most of the architecture is gone. If it can disappear that quickly and easily in a classroom, I'd be extremely surprised (and delighted) to have them survive long enough to be fossilized.
Actually, I have a rock record collection, and there is a Small Faces album in it. If the face is still small, it must not be fully formed yet, so that's a rock record with a partially-formed nose. Try another argument from ignorance, dude!
only fully-formed noses are in the rock record.
I dunno, the nose on this rock record:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheik_Yerbouti
always looked, though certainly fully-formed in length, to be a bit underdeveloped horizontally.
Frank Zappa: the missing nose link?
So all you clowns here have to use arrogance and curse words (for lack of intelligence thereof) to oppose a true GOD? Really? So you think you evolved from, what was it again? Apes? Monkeys? Did you say Poe? Darwin? Where are they now?
Can you dispute miracles? Can you prove GOD does not exist? If so, you require to have absolutely knowledge of everything. Clearly, you do not. Ignorance = pathway to death.
Are you wise? Me thinks not, unless you do your homework before attempting to curse people out because they believe in Jesus Christ. My, the need to curse.?? Childish, foolish.
Hey Me, point out all the arrogance and curse words in this thread.
Then show us a complete fossilized honker.
Scenario 1: Yes, I'm sure the devil put the fossil there and because the devil is so weak and stupid he made a mistake so people could tell creationism really happened, making his whole excercise pointless. By the way, if he's that stupid just believe how stupid humans are for being 'tricked' by him.
Scenario 2: Yes, I'm sure God put the fossils there and even though God is all powerful, this time he made the mistake of giving us evidence to disprove evolution instead of the usual belief that he is testing us to believe in creationism.
Scenario 3 (The REAL SCENARIO): Not every fossil has been found, and not every thing that ever lived leaves behind a fossil. You've also got to consider punctual evolution instead of gradualism. God (which I believe is real), would most likely send all creationists to hell for believing in lies like creationism, since lies are supposedly the language of the devil.
the hand of the Lord hath wrought this
So god tweaked Job's nose, too, besides all the other shit? Damn, what a mean god he is.
Noses are cartilage, not bone, thus they very seldom fossilize. I know, as far as your "argument" goes, that's a feature, not a bug, so let's call it "lack-of-evidence false claims for Jesus".
Mere 'Noses'? The Mantis Shrimp's vision is superior to ours.
Those Bronze Age goatfuckers with ideas above their stations 'inspired' by your 'God' to write said 'ideas' didn't know that. Question:
Why didn't said 'God' tell them about that?
He could, and therefore would have told them: if he - who is supposedly 'Omniscient ' - knew about such.
And if a deity isn't Omniscient, he can't be Omnipotent . Ergo...!
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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