[re: Pastor Al Martin's sermon blaming women for causing lust in men's hearts]
Men should "man up" and tell their sisters, wives, mothers, ladies across the aisle, and ladies in the pew in front of them something like:
Excuse me, but you are so pretty that I cannot keep my mind on the sermon. Do you mind if I move?
Ladies, I am with the conservative reformed crowd on this one. Modest Apparel is an issue for the church. You can do something about this issue. The only thing we boys and men can do is not look at you, not pay any attention to you, and only speak with male companions in your company. Please cover up the magnets before you go to church.
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"The only thing we boys and men can do is not look at you"
So, problem solved. Just keep your eyes away from the magnets instead of blaming the ladies.
"No wonder, many of the old-line Baptist churches separate the congregation into women and girls on one side, and men and boys on the other side. Some even have separate doors. "
Muslim terrorists set up their mosques that way too.
Edit: Perfect timing coming after Argle Bargle.
So? This inhibited right-wing Christian is just like all those inhibited right-wing Muslims who are afraid they will go to Hell if they see a centimeter of female skin. You know, if you had a normal healthy sex life, you would probably be able to function when there's a woman within view.
BTW. "Conservative" and "reformed" are, in most cases, mutually exclusive.
You provided your own solution to the problem. If you don't want to look at women's "magnets" (whatever those are) then DON'T LOOK AT THEM! You don't have a God-given right to stare at people! Wait a minute, you're a white heterosexual Christian male, so you probably think that you do have that right. Argh... You're still wrong.
I thought the clothing issues within the church had more to do with trying to outdo your neighbor in style and appearance...
Just to keep these scales somewhat balanced, isn't it true, too, that men and boys could inspire lustful thoughts in women? (At least straight or bi women, anyway. No disrespect intended to the lesbians among us.) Does that give them the same right to refrain from saying "But you're so handsome I can't keep my mind on the sermon. Do you mind if I move?"
It is interesting that BobinKy decided that it's the man who should move and not the woman who is otherwise the disruptive force in his rant... I'm not sure what, exactly, that says about the state of things.
"Men should "man up" and tell their sisters , wives, mothers , ladies across the aisle, and ladies in the pew in front of them something like:
Excuse me, but you are so pretty that I cannot keep my mind on the sermon."
Ewwwwwww! TMI!
I didn't need to have it confirmed that fundy males like BobinKy take biblical inspiration too far and lust after their own sisters and mothers.
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I thought the clothing issues within the church had more to do with trying to outdo your neighbor in style and appearance...
Just to keep these scales somewhat balanced, isn't it true, too, that men and boys could inspire lustful thoughts in women? (At least straight or bi women, anyway. No disrespect intended to the lesbians among us.) Does that give them the same right to refrain from saying "But you're so handsome I can't keep my mind on the sermon. Do you mind if I move?"
It is interesting that BobinKy decided that it's the man who should move and not the woman who is otherwise the disruptive force in his rant... I'm not sure what, exactly, that says about the state of things.
Or two nice, cute Gluteal..uh.."Magnets"....
Heck, a cute face alone is a magnet!
ATTACK OF THE ATOMIC FLAMETHROWING MAGNETS!!!
Ummm....It's been a VERY long time since I went to church but don't the sheeple all sit in pews all facing forwards? How can a man sitting behind a woman see her 'magnets' anyway? Does he have mutant eyes on stalks? I suppose he could see those of any woman sitting beside him, but isn't he supposed to be looking at the altar/cross/stained glass window/priest at the front or summat? Or the bible/prayer/hymn book in his hands? (Assuming they still have them, of course - as I say, it's been a long time...)
As for the 'sisters, wives, mothers' comment - ick. What a nasty little pos K-Y Bob is.
I don't put magnets on my body, thankyouverymuch, and your own Bible says that if you have lustful thoughts about somebody, it's your own damn fault.
How about 'no'? Does 'no' work for you?
Women are supposed to be subordinate to men in that subculture, and yet they must also dress in such a way as to not "cause" men to lust after them - because women can control the thoughts of man, but men can't control their own thoughts. And that's why women should obey men...or something.
These people are such clueless hypocrites.
Stupid, too.
Ok, I think I might have just hit on the solution for y'all.
You are a straight man, therefore you cannot stop yourself from looking at women. How about you just choose to be gay during the sermon, and then those evil women won't be distracting you? You can just choose to be straight again when the sermon is over.
Christians generally believe Jesus was fully human, as well as fully god. That means normal human needs like food and water, and probably normal human libido as well. So we'll assume that, as in everything else, Jesus set the standard that Christians should be trying to live up to.
Jesus spoke to women on a regular basis. Many of those women were prostitutes, which means probably not dressed in the most modest fashion known to man. In John 8 he speaks to a woman described as having been "taken in the very act of adultery." One has to wonder as to her state of dress at the time, though I suppose it's always possible they let her dress and brush her hair before seizing her. Interestingly enough, he doesn't spend a lot of this time telling women to "cover up the magnets." And despite having interacted with women on a regular basis, he still said that looking lustfully at a woman was a sin on par with adultery.
Now I don't think it's appropriate for women to be deliberately sexually provocative in church, but that's their concern, not yours. Regardless of how other people are acting, your responsibilities are pretty clear. You are not a helpless little baby. Grow up, get a grip, and keep your thoughts under control.
"Men should "man up" and tell their sisters, wives, mothers, ladies across the aisle, and ladies in the pew in front of them something like: Excuse me, but you are so pretty that I cannot keep my mind on the sermon. Do you mind if I move?"
Sisters and mothers?
If you folks would just remove the stigma against masturbation, then all of your sexually charged men could masturbate right before church. This would aleviate their sexual tension and allow them to concentrate on the minister and his sermon instead of all the T & A running around. Of course after just having had an orgasm, they would probably get real sleepy, which usually happens during a sermon anyway.
If YOU are distracted, YOU are the problem. YOU have the issue. YOU lack focus. YOU lack proper motivation. If YOU are not strong enough to focus, YOU should not blame HER for YOUR problem. By all means, move, but YOU do not need HER permission or to inform HER at all, like it's something SHE did.
"Men should "man up" and tell their sisters , wives, mothers , ladies across the aisle, and ladies in the pew in front of them something like..." (Emphasis mine)
Eww eww eww eww eww!
My beloved congregation, I have no self control whatsoever and I find it convenient to place the blame entirely upon someone else. Treat your wives, sisters, and daughters not as your family and fellow children of the Lord but as tools of the Devil you are burdened with abiding outside of their godly functions in the kitchen and bedroom. Now, listen to this next sermon on God's glorious gift of free will.
It's not like mutual respect, self-discipline, and personal responsibility for our actions will solve anything now will it?
"Men should "man up" and tell their sisters, wives, mothers, ladies across the aisle, and ladies in the pew in front of them something like:
Excuse me, but you are so pretty that I cannot keep my mind on the sermon. Do you mind if I move? "
Dr. Razark wins the submission. Hell, someone should email this pastor with his/her idea.
Despite being an evil liberal agnostic, I can control myself and not rape every woman showing her ankles. Why can't True Christians (tm) do the same?
@Mudak:"...isn't it true, too, that men and boys could inspire lustful thoughts in women?"
Hey, yeah. I check out guys a lot, especially if they have nice arms. :) Maybe men should keep their arms covered while they're in church, hm?
@the fundie:"The only thing we boys and men can do is not look at you, not pay any attention to you, and only speak with male companions in your company."
Not look and not pay attention? Bingo, you've solved your own problem. Unfortunately, you went over the cliff with the "only speak with male companions" bit.
If I didn't know any better, I'd say that men like the fundie here are actually scared to death of their own sexuality, and that they are terrified of female sexuality in particular (since it is both sexual and alien to them, not being females). Now, I've heard it said that people tend to hate what they fear, and that makes me wonder about the three major Western religions and their misogynistic traditions. >_>
MAN: Excuse me, but you are so pretty that I cannot keep my mind on the sermon. Do you mind if I move?
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See, based upon my prediction, this might not be so bad after all.
I think if you're so sexually repressed that you're getting turned on by your mother & sisters, you really need to speak to a psychologist.
I notice Bob doesn't take issue with women being distracted by good-looking guys, probably because most Christian fundies think that any woman with sexual urges is a harlot or a whore.
@P, Rizzo:not allowed to stare? Are the secret police gonna come knocking on your door if you're caught ogling a lady's cleavage? Nevermind the fact that any man worth his salt has been learning since puberty to do it discreetly, and, if anything, women are probably even better at it. Nobody has a right to not be looked at.
It also comes naturally for lesbians, but you don't see us telling women to cover up because we can't control ourselves.
The only thing we boys and men can do is not look at you, not pay any attention to you
Works for me, but then again, I don't go to church, so hopefully I'll avoid douchebags like you.
If all else fails, move on to plan F.
"If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out."
That's right, grab a fork and get to it. Obviously asking women to manage your weakass willpower for you is a sign you haven't the fortitude to truly commit yourself to God. So, I suggest that any churchgoing women be ready with a fork of their own to help these poor souls overcome their sins.
The screaming and bleeding will be a bit disconcerting, but I'm certain men of faith will eventually thank you for depriving them of the sight that causes them to sin. And the ensuing phobias that will chase all further lust from their minds.
(Disclaimer: This is sarcasm. I do not endorse forking people in the eye. Normally I'd consider it common sense for anyone to assume I am only kidding, but this site is a testament to how many people lack that sense.)
Men should "man up" and tell their sisters, wives, mothers, ladies across the aisle, and ladies in the pew in front of them something like:
Excuse me, bitch, cover up them titties! Don't MAKE me rape you, Mom!
Bob: "Mom! Geeze, cover up the magnets, wouldja? Ya know that turns me on."
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"HEY, BABY! Great set o' mags on ya!"<wolf whistle>
If your congregation's men cannot control their lusts, it's the fault of the men, not the women. Women can dress any way they wish. After all, the Bible says, "Come as you are".
If you get distracted and horny every time a woman or girl wears a skirt to church, it is not the duty of the girl to cover up, it is your duty to keep your thoughts and your body under control. If you can't do that, too bad for you. You have a problem and need to get help.
Also, the implied sanctioning of incest is disgusting, but not all that surprising. You REALLY need to get help.
Please. BobinKY is too weak. By allowing modesty choices to be left to the woman, she is bound to slip up sooner or later. All that layering and unlayering of clothes is tiring for anyone. The easy choice is to simply douse the girls in acid or burn them for a little while so they have horrible disfiguring scars. This way, they can wear whatever they want and the innocent, godly men will still be protected from their own evil lust that they have no control over.
"The only thing we boys and men can do is not look at you, not pay any attention to you, and only speak with male companions in your company."
Or you could grow the fuck up, and start treating women as people, instead of brood mares. Oh... and as a man, it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to control yourself.
If you're going to be consequent with the old canard "you can't make your brother in Christ stumble", the same should be applied to murder, theft and other sins. Second, good luck explaining Jesus when he said that, if an eye makes you sin, pluck it and so on. After all, you pretty much said it all, can't they look another way?, why don't they?
"Well, I do believe that your dress has given me a boner, young lady. If we were to fornicate right now, it would be entirely your fault and I'm afraid that Jesus does not approve of choosing garments that cause men to enter into such a predicament. Please, my fair ladies, please concern yourselves over whether your dress may cause male erections and thus lead to the only logical conclusion of the event: premarital sexual relations. Thank you for your time."
Ah yes, that old misogynistic chestnut: Women must be forced into "modesty" (which is defined in whatever way the fundy wants) because men are all incredibly stupid and reactionary and can't control themselves in the slightest. You sure you don't want expand a little, BobbyKy? You only managed to insult all males and females in your post! Surely you could get another few groups in there if you really tried!
And what about the pretty boys? :(
OH YEAH, when we find a man cute we seduce & destroy him in our evil-ish ways. Or even when he's not cute, because... Well, just because. We're demonic like that.
Sooooo, can I say the same about men wearing jeans, looking like James Dean, or wearing sweatervests over their long slender frames?
"Excuse me, but you're so good-looking that I can't concentrate. Do you mind if I move?"
That might actually get me a boyfriend, actually...
HEY, FUNDIE, THANKS!
"Men should "man up" and tell their sisters , wives, mothers ....
....I am completely not surprised by that, for some reason. I mean, they are Baptists.
Confused?
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