(in response to a teen asking what happens if the one person God has picked for you to marry dies)
So long as you and your spouse remain in God's will, God will protect the both of you.
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So, what happens if the one person god has picked for you to marry dies?
Is this before the wedding takes place?
Are you saying that you two still have to get married? God doesn't seem to be doing very well at protecting your god appointed union thus far, has he? He already lost half of the people involved. Why would an all-knowing god knowingly pair you with someone who was going to die?
And how exactly is the dead spouse going to 'fall from' god's will? Spitting off the escalator on the way up to heaven?
Instead of randy giving one answer, he invokes a whole slew of more questions.
I suspect that Randy means something like "if he croaks before the wedding, he wasn't truly the one Gawd picked for you", probably with a side order of "deep down he wasn't a True Xian, that's why he died".
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It's very fundie. One, it's from Bro. Randy. Two, he's saying that if someone dies, it's because they weren't in God's will. That's a pretty fucked up view of dying.
I agree with Adrian. Of course, it's a completely worthless and disingenuous answer, based on fairy-tale assumptions.
If the spouse (or proposed spouse) dies, he or she was NOT "in God's will," even if that person seemed as pious a soul as any you've ever known. Way to blame the victim there! On the other hand, if he or she doesn't die, he or she WAS "in God's will" -- unless he or she just hasn't died YET or hasn't revealed himself or herself YET to be thoroughly wrong for you by means other than dying.
After all, we ALL die eventually, don't we? Is every widow or widower to consider his or her late spouse someone who was not "in God's will"?
If the person dies (or just turns out to be a major jerk, or worse), well, obviously that wasn't the person God wanted you to marry, is it? Which means that person is still out there, safe, right? Among a billion others or so -- talk about a needle in a haystack! On the other hand, if something happens to YOU, then whoever you are supposed to marry is out of luck because YOU are not "in God's will," no matter how strong you think your belief is.
Seriously, do you think this through at all? Do you REALLY think that God is constantly running every fine detail of the universe on a personal reward/punishment basis? You only need to look around with open eyes for a bit to see plenty of prosperous people with no morals, as well as plenty of fine, decent people who can't seem to get a break in life no matter how hard they try.
Face it, kids: Reality isn't like fairy tales in which there is ONLY one person in the world for you, and where the good and noble folks invariably win in the end and "live happily ever after" and the bad people always eventually suffer and/or die. Reality is WHAT HAPPENS. To some extent we can affect it where we are concerned, but to a large extent we cannot affect it, because the universe -- and the people in it -- are not under anybody's direct control. And as scary as that may be, it's actually a lot better than the alternative.
~David D.G.
On the other hand, I don´t think that God chooses nobody for marrying. Or does he have a contact agency?. I guess that at some point in our lives, we think that someone we´re in love with is gonna be our future spouse.........it can be o not, so, when is this person supposed to die sounds utterly ridiculous. If he dies AFTER you have married, officially you´re a widow or widower, no matter which angle you look it at and people act consequently. Apart from that, and unless this idiot of Bro. Randy has an alternative definition of marriage, I don´t know what he means and the answer very vague indeed.
Dan: No, not quite. But he IS making the implicit guarantee that if both members of a couple stay "in God's will" (whatever the heck that means), they will be immortal!
So, evidently, no couple has managed it yet!
~David D.G.
Good ole Bro. Randy is definitely a nut - I'm sure there's not a single foundation (biblical or otherwise) for his very odd argument. It really bothers me that teens are going to him for advice.
But another topic beckons - I'm no psychiatrist, but I'm sensing some anger issues may be creeping into Julian's considered reponse.
Time to access my inner child/inner tennager, and log onto T4C for some advice. "Yo, Bro. Randy, how will I know who that one girl is for me?"
"You'll just know. God will tell you."
"OK, now I now who she is. But what happens if she gets hit by a bus?"
"Then there's noone. Don't even bother dating."
"How about Internet porn, and Mary Palm and her 5 sisters?"
"You're going straight to hell for even thinking that. And fucking with my mind."
Brother Randy, in a bass-ackwards fashion, does get me to call out to Jesus. Usually with a head-shake, though.
Didn't Jesus say not to test this kind of thing?
Bullshit! If a [hypothetical, in this case] Christian, who has done nothing but good toward their community, lives clean and gives to charity etcetera, became a widow you guys would say he/she had secretly done something awful to deserve the death.
No, heres what Randys saying;
If you both stay true to God you'll both live a full productive with lots of healthy wonderful children. This is fundie dogma.
Any variation means you're not really with God, that's it, fuck you. The church and congregation turn their backs to you, and spread rumours about you. Because we can only know Gods grace when we witness the suffering of the unworthy.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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